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Need a new PC build.
Ramuh.Yarly
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2011-11-27 23:38:55
lol @ linus tech tips, he's friggin hilarious. I almost caved in to send in an application to work as his cameraman D:
AMD's Llano platform is a great choice.
Also I'll throw another +1 for Mushkin ram. Solid stuff!
The ONLY problem I have with the Llano platform is the FM1 socket means very little room for improvement but that's a non-issue for people who don't tinker and upgrade their computers every so often.
So far they're only releasing like one new A8 processor but if they do start pushing out more then it'll start looking even more promising.
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-27 23:40:00
lol @ linus tech tips, he's friggin hilarious. I almost caved in to send in an application to work as his cameraman D:
AMD's Llano platform is a great choice.
Also I'll throw another +1 for Mushkin ram. Solid stuff!
The ONLY problem I have with the Llano platform is the FM1 socket means very little room for improvement but that's a non-issue for people who don't tinker and upgrade their computers every so often.
So far they're only releasing like one new A8 processor but if they do start pushing out more then it'll start looking even more promising.
Yeah it's limited but given his budget it's honestly the best route IMO.
And yes Linus is one goofy Canadian.
Edit: Mushkin ftw. Also form what I've heard their process for RMA isn't bad if you were to have an issue. Like Corsair it has a lifetime warranty it just isn't nearly as much of a burden to RMA if you have an issue.
By mortontony1 2011-11-27 23:41:05
lol @ linus tech tips, he's friggin hilarious. I almost caved in to send in an application to work as his cameraman D:
AMD's Llano platform is a great choice.
Also I'll throw another +1 for Mushkin ram. Solid stuff!
The ONLY problem I have with the Llano platform is the FM1 socket means very little room for improvement but that's a non-issue for people who don't tinker and upgrade their computers every so often.
So far they're only releasing like one new A8 processor but if they do start pushing out more then it'll start looking even more promising.
Thanks for the back up here, not that I didn't trust Uri, it's just nice to hear from multiple people something's good.
Edit: And I don't plan on doing much tinkering/upgrading. My current build is like 6 years old, I typically just get bummed about not being able to play new games after a while then get a new one entirely.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-11-27 23:44:51
Can always use always use Intel's i3-2100 with a 1155socket mobo for more performance-ish at the same price.
However more importantly if we were to shave off on the CPU/Mobo or somewhere else, you could spend slightly a little more on the graphics card to get a gtx 550ti or ATI 6770
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-27 23:45:13
Well with that set up if you have any issues a couple years in the future you could just upgrade power supplies and graphics cards and still be set.
By mortontony1 2011-11-27 23:49:13
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-27 23:49:30
Can always use always use Intel's i3-2100 with a 1155socket mobo for more performance-ish at the same price.
However more importantly if we were to shave off on the CPU/Mobo or somewhere else, you could spend slightly a little more on the graphics card to get a gtx 550ti or ATI 6770
Given the performance though the 550ti and the 6770 aren't any better than the Llano platform + a 6670 running in dual graphics mode. Also intel boards are far more expensive so it would end up hurting the total price for minimal CPU gain.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-27 23:52:42
asrock motherboards suck marbles, had one blow several caps in less than regular use in about a year.
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-27 23:58:46
Hm actually given some benches I'm seeing the A6 actually out performs the intel 2100. Maybe biased though since the 2100 is dual-core vs the A6 being quad-core.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-11-27 23:59:35
Can always use always use Intel's i3-2100 with a 1155socket mobo for more performance-ish at the same price. However more importantly if we were to shave off on the CPU/Mobo or somewhere else, you could spend slightly a little more on the graphics card to get a gtx 550ti or ATI 6770 Given the performance though the 550ti and the 6770 aren't any better than the Llano platform + a 6670 running in dual graphics mode. Also intel boards are far more expensive so it would end up hurting the total price for minimal CPU gain. The 550Ti and the 6770 are actually 3 tiers above the 6670 which is said to be the perferred boost when upgrading, ie if youre thinking of upgrading, your GPU it should be atleast 3 tiers higher than your current GPU to start seeing results/differences.
Anyhow I found one for almost the same price if you include mail-in rebate:
ATI HD 6770
Bismarck.Rharmony
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-28 00:01:51
Can always use always use Intel's i3-2100 with a 1155socket mobo for more performance-ish at the same price. However more importantly if we were to shave off on the CPU/Mobo or somewhere else, you could spend slightly a little more on the graphics card to get a gtx 550ti or ATI 6770 Given the performance though the 550ti and the 6770 aren't any better than the Llano platform + a 6670 running in dual graphics mode. Also intel boards are far more expensive so it would end up hurting the total price for minimal CPU gain. The 550Ti and the 6770 are actually 3 tiers above the 6670 which is said to be the perferred boost when upgrading, ie if youre thinking of upgrading, your GPU it should be atleast 3 tiers higher than your current GPU to start seeing results/differences.
Anyhow I found one for almost the same price if you include mail-in rebate:
ATI HD 6770
Lol thats the card I just ordered for my new pc.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-28 00:03:32
The problem being you're looking at just the 6670 instead of the 6670 in dual graphics. Which gives a noticeable increase to performance.
>_>
Spoilered for Rarmony's sake.
Also from personal experience, avoid XFX. They cheap out on GPU's to make the lifetime warranty affordable for them as a business.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-11-28 00:05:26
The problem being you're looking at just the 6670 instead of the 6670 in dual graphics. Which gives a noticeable increase to performance. Also from personal experience, avoid XFX. The cheap out on GPU's to make the lifetime warranty affordable for them as a business. Dual graphics as in cross-fire?
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-28 00:07:11
The problem being you're looking at just the 6670 instead of the 6670 in dual graphics. Which gives a noticeable increase to performance. Also from personal experience, avoid XFX. They cheap out on GPU's to make the lifetime warranty affordable for them as a business. Dual graphics as in cross-fire? Somewhat.
The APU has an active graphics built in. That pairs with the GPU to increase the graphics output. Dual graphics is AMD's new revolution to hybrid cross-fire. Posted a video showing it's performance last page.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-11-28 00:10:56
The problem being you're looking at just the 6670 instead of the 6670 in dual graphics. Which gives a noticeable increase to performance. Also from personal experience, avoid XFX. They cheap out on GPU's to make the lifetime warranty affordable for them as a business. Dual graphics as in cross-fire? Somewhat. The APU has an active graphics built in. That pairs with the GPU to increase the graphics output. Dual graphics is AMD's new revolution to hybrid cross-fire. Posted a video showing it's performance last page. Isnt that CPU related though? Which shouldnt affect the 6770 since ATI go hand in hand with AMD. Thus the cpu you picked out for him should further help out the 6770, unless the board/cpu only work with certain ATI cards?
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-28 00:14:53
The problem being you're looking at just the 6670 instead of the 6670 in dual graphics. Which gives a noticeable increase to performance. Also from personal experience, avoid XFX. They cheap out on GPU's to make the lifetime warranty affordable for them as a business. Dual graphics as in cross-fire? Somewhat. The APU has an active graphics built in. That pairs with the GPU to increase the graphics output. Dual graphics is AMD's new revolution to hybrid cross-fire. Posted a video showing it's performance last page. Isnt that CPU related though? Which shouldnt affect the 6770 since ATI go hand in hand with AMD. Thus the cpu you picked out for him should further help out the 6770, unless the board/cpu only work with certain ATI cards?
The APU's only work with up to the 6670 GPU. They don't do anything beyond that. So effectively having the APU + a 6670 performance wise is like having a 6770.
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2011-11-28 00:17:49
I also second the XFX avoidance. I'm using two right now... never again.
I have a XFX Radeon HD6850... the stock cooler was louder than a jet engine so I replaced it with an aftermarket cooler. It's now quieter and cooler.
My other XFX card is some GeForce GT 240 I got for like $20 to replace a dead video card on a spare computer. BSOD after a whiles... once again the stock heatsink was the culprit. No more BSOD after replacing it with an aftermarket cooler.
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-28 00:19:32
I also second the XFX avoidance. I'm using two right now... never again.
I have a XFX Radeon HD6850... the stock cooler was louder than a jet engine so I replaced it with an aftermarket cooler. It's now quieter and cooler.
My other XFX card is some GeForce GT 240 I got for like $20 to replace a dead video card on a spare computer. BSOD after a whiles... once again the stock heatsink was the culprit. No more BSOD after replacing it with an aftermarket cooler.
They just make cheap cards :/
By cheaping on the board they also limit the chips capability which makes me ; ;
By mortontony1 2011-11-28 00:22:19
Question still remains, would that ^^^ be better/similar than what you originally recommended?
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-28 00:25:02
Question still remains, would that ^^^ be better/similar than what you originally recommended? The board isn't as nice feature wise. Also you'd have to upgrade to a more expensive GPU then. So IMO I say no.
By mortontony1 2011-11-28 00:26:38
Just checking ^^
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By Cerberus.Irohuro 2011-11-28 00:41:39
wow this is tempting, i could really use a new desktop...
but 400 is quite a chunk of change for me atm =/
Bismarck.Rharmony
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-28 00:42:35
Meh. Idk. It was cheap. If it goes out, I'll switch out the graphics card from my current PC until I can get a replacement.
I coulda went cheaper on the case I bought, but I just fell in love with it so much.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139009
I. love. that. case.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-11-28 00:59:40
The APU's only work with up to the 6670 GPU. They don't do anything beyond that. So effectively having the APU + a 6670 performance wise is like having a 6770. Im dubious about that, but Ill take your word for it. I think the video was a bit bias though as far as comparison. He should have used a vid card with intel board(around the same price range). Aswell as use another card for the AMD board to show exactly the performance difference.
Obviously the performance was going to improve, its just not really comparing much outside of cpu vs cpu+gpu.
My reason for being dubious is because the performance was only 10-6(20 with the witcher2) + FPS just by adding the card with the cpu, which overall can be negliable, but again it was just numbers he was taking off the screen and not avg fps. Could be a better story with that with averages.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-11-28 01:14:01
I'm so OCD about airflow I went with a HAF 922.
Not the prettiest case but performance wise it's a monster.
The APU's only work with up to the 6670 GPU. They don't do anything beyond that. So effectively having the APU + a 6670 performance wise is like having a 6770. Im dubious about that, but Ill take your word for it. I think the video was a bit bias though as far as comparison. He should have used a vid card with intel board(around the same price range). Aswell as use another card for the AMD board to show exactly the performance difference.
Obviously the performance was going to improve, its just not really comparing much outside of cpu vs cpu+gpu.
My reason for being dubious is because the performance was only 10-6(20 with the witcher2) + FPS just by adding the card with the cpu, which overall can be negliable, but again it was just numbers he was taking off the screen and not avg fps. Could be a better story with that with averages.
Eh way I see it AMD as of late just gives more bang for the buck. Intel out performs them by miles on high end though.
But since we're talking a strict lower budget PC I have to say the AMD Llano platform is the way to go.
I just wish I had waited for 1155 socket rather than 1366. But I had to buy when I did since my last CPU completely fried :/
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-28 01:20:20
I was looking into building my gf a pc about a month ago and came up with this list (tried making it public but it's not showing it yet)
Case
3 sata cables
motherboard
2 video cards
modular psu
cpu
4 sticks of this ram
a ssd (for use with a chipset feature)
2 of these to raid
2 of these monitors(now out of stock)
blu ray burner
speakers
subtotal was $2,134.60
never did pick out a keyboard and mouse though, will probably pick some logitech bundle.
(in case anyone was wondering about the specs, she wanted an alienware cuz of the hype, I told her I could build one with a funky case with the same/better specs for less, and that alienware are just painted up pos dells, to not waste her money.)
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-28 01:23:28
the 1155 with a z68 or next year's q77 (I think) is/are going to be amazing...
Bismarck.Rharmony
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-28 01:38:01
That case... ........
I wish I had seen that. I woulda instabought that on looks alone.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-28 01:41:06
I don't like the front panel myself, then again I hate the *** doors.
Aside from that I'm only worried about the quality of the material, and wondering if I can easily find pink led lights instead of blue...
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By Odin.Moondaddy 2011-11-28 02:10:39
just so you know, you dont need a crazy pc to play skyrim, my tired 9950be 3gig of ram and a gts450 run high settings at 40~50fps. that said you should be able to build a system for $300 that almost runs at ultra settings
So I want a new PC, primarily for Skyrim, but also for just newer games as they come out. I currently have a mini case and it pisses me off. So I basically want to hear what a good PC build would be, preferably for <$300. I'm still going to use my same monitor/speakers/and hard drive, but aside that I want new everything. I want at least 2.00 ghz processor, 4 gb of ram, and 1 gb graphics. I would totally do this myself on newegg, but I can't tell if things would work together or not, still new to PC stuff like this. Please and thank you ^^
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