AG Is Recruiting Again.

The same reason people side with the person being aimed at rather that the one throwing the stone. He stated what he wanted in the op. If its the same thing a person is looking for then they can apply, if it isn't then they can move on. No reason to begin atting him for it.

Pointing out non sequitur is not "throwing the stone".

Its hilarious that everyone can find a silly reason for me to not be chiming in, yet nobody has been able to refute what's actually being said.

There needs to be a silly mnemonic device to aid in reminding people that they should figure out why they're defending something before they start defending it.

True, very true, but still takes little time.

True, and irrelevant. I've never disputed the substantial risk involved in immediate grand gestures, and completely agree that some manner of trial period to acquaint the person is the most responsible approach.

I did *** an eyebrow at his initial Empyrean figure, though. The time frame he quoted is highly exaggerated. Something like an Ochain can be finished in a couple days, while something like a Masamune can be finished in less than a single day.

what the hell... too much big words and gibberish!

know what has always worked for my shell regarding new members?
60 day mandatory wait time.

A sixty day mandatory trial period is about the best possible requirement you could impose upon potential recruits















if you want nobody to join.

I really hope that's a joke.

I mean, as you can tell by his Twashtar, it really helps get gear where it needs to be going.

I am genuinely curious Apop, but why do you have a Kartika when you have a Twashtar already?

:o

If anyone needs their empyrean weapons finished on Fenrir, please contact Minjo. It's apparently a favorable situation for him as well as his linkshell to work on your empyrean rather than move onto new content. We have enough empyreans to kill whatever we want. If you would like to do vw, dyna, sea, sky, and a little bit of abyssea, 4-5 nights a week from 7pm est to 10-11pm est on Leviathan, please contact me or a sack holder. I'm looking for diversity.

Need an Emp finishing? invest in a whm mule.

Straw man, false dilemma, informal non sequitur- your ability to load a paragraph with fallacy is borderline impressive.

Such a long-winded pile of unsubstantiated nonsense. Standing paramount are your suggestions that I am a) speaking from a perspective of infallibility, and b) motivated by personal biases. The former is ridiculous; I've welcomed rational disagreement. The opposition's inability to put forth such a respectable rebuttal is no fault of my own. The latter is equally silly; I've made it clear in multiple instances that I don't know the OP, nor do I care to slander him. My one and only grievance from the starting line has been with his proposal, and his direct and indirect claim of reasonable substantiation. I've never professed, implicitly or otherwise, that it is likely to interfere with the ascertainment of new recruits, merely that it is intellectual dishonesty to call it anything but what it is: nonsense.

But hey, keep throwing around "troll" and "butthurt". Its worked so well thus far.

Not anymore he doesn't.

All I got from this thread is OP is looking for new recruits to tackle new content with.

The LS will NOT finish your emps.

Minjo says emps to 85 to a empless person is a bigger boost to the shell than any of the new content gear.

OP replies with "i have an army of 17+ emp'd up ppl" and adding more is a waste of time.

Minjo sticks with a emp to a empless person is still a bigger boost.

Others say giving emps to ppl is dangerous because they often just walk off and not help anyone.

A LS member pops in and says while the LS will not officially and en-masse work on your emp, there are many friendly LS members that can and do help ppl in their idle time.

Thread degenerates into ppl acting stupid over Minjo's well polished thoughts and writing.

Did I miss anything?:o

That he has a dog with glasses as his avatar. the most important part!!

You forget the 60 day trial!

My personal definition of a troll is, "someone who communicates endlessly yet does not convey understanding".

Be they satirical, intellectual or just a plain dumbass, they cannot control themselves from having the last word.

The aftermath of their presence is often corrosive to the mind/ego of others and/or just plain confusion.

I grant that sometimes the lack of understanding is NOT the fault of the communicator, sometimes the peers/audience is just not a good fit.

Yet, it each persons responsibility to know when to walk away with dignity, rather than continue to turn communication into a entertaining drama that amounts to two or more people slinging scorn and mockery at each other and not understanding each other any the better.

Thank you Josiahkf for the welcome back^^ I have been busy IRL but I am finding my groove and getting back in the flow of things:)

*mops up the hypocrisy dripping from this post*

To me, the oddest part is that I haven't actually disagreed with most of what any of the lot have said. I agree that handing an Empyrean weapon to a new member on faith alone is irresponsible, and that cautionary gratuity is the most reasonable approach. I also agree that its in everyone's best interests to participate in various events outside of Abyssea. My contrarian advocacy is in regard to the imposition of a false dilemma: Empyrean weapons or newer(and/or refurbished) content.

I just see it as a way to help get support in making relics and being able to cram out VW items(like 90-95 empyrean items) faster. A throwback to the old way of doing things, en masse. The way in which newer members get little to no reward for their time, while older or closer members to the leader reap all the good benefits.

"Oh? All the older members have this already? Sure, you can have the table scraps that no one needs. And everyone, please remember to pass in your Heavy Metals and Dynamis Currency to the leader or his LS leech-girlfriend*. Great job tonight!"

Abyssea destroyed this old way for most players, it's sad to see people pushing to go back to this. Sure, a large LS was fun to talk to and hang out with, but as far as accomplishing in-game goals fairly, it has rarely done properly.

*(You know, the one who frequently gets lost, doesn't have a clue what's going on, and wears the most expensive/rare item in every slot regardless of it making any sense)

were you meaning to post this in the "make hnmls pop-able" thread? Either way I lol'ed heartily at the "leader's useless gf" comments and almost cried with nostalgianess at the whole post.

I think OP's reasoning is pretty easy to understand. His LS member doesn't enjoy doing more empy, so they don't want to do anymore empy farming. They don't need more empy owners to clear the new content anyways, so there's little point to go back to do stuff they don't enjoy to do.

You have your reason, getting new member an empy is more beneficial to the LS logically. But again, ppl play this game to have fun and doesn't always do stuffs that's most beneficial, if they want to do new content just let them do it. They can clear the new content regardless new member has an empy or not, so why bother to do stuff they don't enjoy?