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By Gimp 2011-10-15 03:45:19
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looks like i can't avoid those diffusion merits anymore...although it is kind of nice that blue is getting noticeably more powerful buffs to help the party out via diffusion. SE is trying well to keep blu a staple choice for any occasion
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By Carbuncle.Wulfshadow 2011-10-15 03:56:33
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Inuyasha said: »
just going to edit my farewell with what i actually contributed,which was actually a good contribution (which if you wouldve read before Viciousss politely stepped in you wouldve seen but of course you only noticed the "server drama"~). Otherwise, you can have your little parade over there. bye ***~
Was hard to see as you somehow managed to incorporate your drama in every post you made
Bye though *<:-)
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By Phoenix.Pooman 2011-10-15 03:56:56
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I like how that douche always comes up with the "I played it at 75 therefore I know what I'm talking about" argument.
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By Carbuncle.Wulfshadow 2011-10-15 03:59:11
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Phoenix.Pooman said: »
I like how that douche always comes up with the "I played it at 75 therefore I know what I'm talking about" argument.
Dude, playing something at 75 is the epitome of skill, those hachiman domaru sams had it a lot harder than our perle sams today :(
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By Phoenix.Cathaldus 2011-10-15 08:00:36
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Gimp said: »
looks like i can't avoid those diffusion merits anymore...although it is kind of nice that blue is getting noticeably more powerful buffs to help the party out via diffusion. SE is trying well to keep blu a staple choice for any occasion

Shame they're not doing it for other jobs that actually need a massive buff.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-10-15 08:53:54
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What the *** is this ***, battle of the scrubs? Both of you, get the *** out.
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Gimp said: »
looks like i can't avoid those diffusion merits anymore...although it is kind of nice that blue is getting noticeably more powerful buffs to help the party out via diffusion. SE is trying well to keep blu a staple choice for any occasion

Shame they're not doing it for other jobs that actually need a massive buff.
BLU may be a relatively well designed class (some of the buff/debuff durations can kiss my ***), but its design and the demands of existing content don't really mesh well. If XI had greater demand for utility then I'd agree with you, potentially also if SE fixed Voidwatch procs, but right now the biggest thing BLU lacks is demand in high-level events.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-15 09:10:45
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
What the *** is this ***, battle of the scrubs? Both of you, get the *** out.

I hope people are starting to understand why I ditched Shiva.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-10-15 14:57:27
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
What the *** is this ***, battle of the scrubs? Both of you, get the *** out.
Phoenix.Cathaldus said: »
Gimp said: »
looks like i can't avoid those diffusion merits anymore...although it is kind of nice that blue is getting noticeably more powerful buffs to help the party out via diffusion. SE is trying well to keep blu a staple choice for any occasion

Shame they're not doing it for other jobs that actually need a massive buff.
BLU may be a relatively well designed class (some of the buff/debuff durations can kiss my ***), but its design and the demands of existing content don't really mesh well. If XI had greater demand for utility then I'd agree with you, potentially also if SE fixed Voidwatch procs, but right now the biggest thing BLU lacks is demand in high-level events.

Which high level events are you referring to? Most people don't use BLU because they have no idea what its capable of. BLU can be a great DD in Voidwatch. Most of the higher Tier VWNM's are already capped lights around 40% and you just wanna kill it faster. Would rather add a BLU that can help with procs at start and have very nice dmg over time than a standard DD who is always dying and only has a handful of procs. I also find a lot of the utility spells to be pretty handy, an AOE erase and good AOE heal, decent stun and a lot of other spells can potentially lessen the need for an extra healer in addition to temp items.
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By Gimp 2011-10-15 20:31:14
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i can really see both sides, granted i didn't get that far in voidwatch before i took a break i can probrably imagine it's not too different sans the multitude of procs.

blu offers a lot of utility but not needed if you have very powerful dds that kill faster and more efficiently than the time needed for those utility abilities to be fully appreciated.

on the other hand if some fights are harder and not mentally streamlined then blu is very helpful and you're lacking support or certain abilities of the mob keep you from killing faster.


/shrug
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2011-10-15 21:40:20
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suddenly all mage jobs are useless in voidwatch but whm and blm
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-10-15 21:50:03
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Which high level events are you referring to? Most people don't use BLU because they have no idea what its capable of. BLU can be a great DD in Voidwatch. Most of the higher Tier VWNM's are already capped lights around 40% and you just wanna kill it faster. Would rather add a BLU that can help with procs at start and have very nice dmg over time than a standard DD who is always dying and only has a handful of procs. I also find a lot of the utility spells to be pretty handy, an AOE erase and good AOE heal, decent stun and a lot of other spells can potentially lessen the need for an extra healer in addition to temp items.
Voidwatch and Dyna NMs are really the only content fitting that criteria right now, so I guess those. WoE too but avatar spam makes playing anything else hell... I'm fully aware of BLU's DD abilities in Voidwatch, I usually BLU/DNC and melee as much as possible. Arguing that other DDs are "always dying" is pretty silly though, everyone gets temps and a lot of jobs have better PDT options than BLU unless you're gimping your output with a PDT offhand or Genbu's Shield. Can't even cap PDT without nighttime, Dring, or the aformentioned sword/shield... the only other remotely serious frontline jobs that can't cap PDT without weapons/Dring are DRG, DNC, and THF. SAM, WAR, DRK, MNK, and NIN can all exceed 50% and most can wear Shadow Mantle while still capping too.

Utility is definitely where BLU shines but how much of that is really useful and how useful is it? Erasega doesn't catch anything exceptionally dangerous, AoE cure is nice but multiple jobs can handle healing. Other jobs frequently have superior versions of our enfeebles barring uniques like TP down... the benefit to BLU is that it has them all but endgame content has shifted back towards large group play and with Voidwatch's mechanics it's common to at least have those jobs present for VW. I'm hoping for more lowman content in the future without the ridiculous overpowered buffs of Abyssea, since that's the kind of environment where BLU really shines.

Don't get me wrong, I do make use of the job's capabilities. I just wish there was more demand for BLU rather than kind of feeling like "well I'm on BLU, I should try and do all these things to help out a little".
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-10-15 22:19:52
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What demand are you asking for specifically? A lot of jobs are in the same boat for current endgame, which I consider mostly Voidwatch. They are there to proc and deal DMG, as far as DD goes. BLU does both of those fine, and its pretty much always been a strong role for the job outside of stunning.

Most of those frontline jobs would have to full time that PDT or MDT gear if they have hate.. unless you are implying they just swap into it for eating ws/magic, otherwise it gimps their DD output as well. If they don't it criples their survivability against potential one shots. I don't see how its better in the long run to be in the front lines DDing when we can get more out of magical nukes though. Maybe "always" is stretching it a bit, but they don't last forever certainly or nobody would use PLD tanks.

@the low man content, I bet BLU will have a very strong role in the Neo-Nyzul if it is anything like old version.
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