i am working on excalabur and am nearly done (the attestation nm is still cockblocking me). Id would like to hear from some actual relic owners on this debate.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
PLD Relic/mythic/emp Discussion
PLD relic/mythic/emp discussion
A lot of our PLDs at Voidwatch events complain that they have added straight up resistance to Atonement to a lot of the NMs there, so spamming 950~ damage atonements is out of the question when the majority of mobs have damage reduction against it.
Phoenix.Lucasta said: »
i am working on excalabur and am nearly done (the attestation nm is still cockblocking me). Id would like to hear from some actual relic owners on this debate.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
Nice man, i too would like to hear more from actual owners of multiple weapons on which they prefer.
Just get an Almace cuz it's easy yo.
Can use the time you waste making a Excal to make an Aegis (A shield for PLD!? No!)
However, if your close to Burtgang then by all means, 66% PDT along with the enmity assists it provides make it the best Sword imo.
lolpldddetc
Can use the time you waste making a Excal to make an Aegis (A shield for PLD!? No!)
However, if your close to Burtgang then by all means, 66% PDT along with the enmity assists it provides make it the best Sword imo.
lolpldddetc
Phoenix.Lucasta said: »
i am working on excalabur and am nearly done (the attestation nm is still cockblocking me). Id would like to hear from some actual relic owners on this debate.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
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Non-Attributable damage/hate is pretty much only useful if you're 3 manning ***WHM/BRD/PLD, otherwise you just need to do enough to keep yourself capped and that is easily maintained with Almace.
Phoenix.Lucasta said: »
i am working on excalabur and am nearly done (the attestation nm is still cockblocking me). Id would like to hear from some actual relic owners on this debate.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
Protip: you don't need to have both to legitimately demonstrate the pros and cons
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Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Phoenix.Lucasta said: »
i am working on excalabur and am nearly done (the attestation nm is still cockblocking me). Id would like to hear from some actual relic owners on this debate.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
Protip: you don't need to have both to legitimately demonstrate the pros and cons
I do agree with you but sometimes it doesn't work out the same as the utopian paper world. You know, the place were no stuns get resisted and no one pulls hate etc.
Since you seem to be in the know can you give us details on what kind of reduction on Excal procs we can expect to see on t3 zilart/Jeuno?
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
What do you mean 'DPS'? Generally speaking, Almace is significantly better than Excalibur. Higher ODD, and a serious jump in WS damage. Excalibur may overtake it in extremely unfavorable pDIF situations, but pure damage-wise, that's as far as it goes.
The only exception, which is arguably a big deal, is VW, because the chances of a sword proc are fairly high, and that means Almace goes to ***while attempting to proc.
Burtgang is for.. Uh.. I suppose it has utility in dangerous situations while using Aegis, or when Atonement is your best option. Otherwise its still so-so(although significantly better than at 75). It has no purpose if you're using Ochain.
PLD is pretty much ***, because all weapons/shields have uses, and you'd ideally have every last one of them.
The only exception, which is arguably a big deal, is VW, because the chances of a sword proc are fairly high, and that means Almace goes to ***while attempting to proc.
Burtgang is for.. Uh.. I suppose it has utility in dangerous situations while using Aegis, or when Atonement is your best option. Otherwise its still so-so(although significantly better than at 75). It has no purpose if you're using Ochain.
PLD is pretty much ***, because all weapons/shields have uses, and you'd ideally have every last one of them.
Not sure what about this screams 'Utopian Paper World'
Excal procs are just slashing damage, so anything that would reduce/mitigate that would subsequently do the same to Excal
I was just commenting and not referring to any specific post.
Asura.Niloc said: »
A lot of our PLDs at Voidwatch events complain that they have added straight up resistance to Atonement to a lot of the NMs there, so spamming 950~ damage atonements is out of the question when the majority of mobs have damage reduction against it.
yea with high hate it appears as though it gets a 50% reduction on most, if not all vwnms. which is sad, because i really like the ws.
i see a lot of 360-375 dmg atonements. then again im just eyeballing. some were even 280ish, im guessing not capped hate situations or even more than 50% resist.
not too sure how far Quiznor is from finishing his burtgang, but i would like to see some tests with it on vwnms. im sure he plans on doing it anyway. or anyone else who has a 90-95 burtgang for that matter. so curious about the atonement dmg.
Bahamut.Zellc said: »
Asura.Niloc said: »
A lot of our PLDs at Voidwatch events complain that they have added straight up resistance to Atonement to a lot of the NMs there, so spamming 950~ damage atonements is out of the question when the majority of mobs have damage reduction against it.
Bahamut.Zellc said: »
Asura.Niloc said: »
A lot of our PLDs at Voidwatch events complain that they have added straight up resistance to Atonement to a lot of the NMs there, so spamming 950~ damage atonements is out of the question when the majority of mobs have damage reduction against it.
yea with high hate it appears as though it gets a 50% reduction on most, if not all vwnms. which is sad, because i really like the ws.
i see a lot of 360-375 dmg atonements. then again im just eyeballing. some were even 280ish, im guessing not capped hate situations or even more than 50% resist.
not too sure how far Quiznor is from finishing his burtgang, but i would like to see some tests with it on vwnms. im sure he plans on doing it anyway. or anyone else who has a 90-95 burtgang for that matter. so curious about the atonement dmg.
Atonement is just a damage type, higher Burtgang levels won't circumvent resistances.
Phoenix.Gustavve said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Phoenix.Lucasta said: »
i am working on excalabur and am nearly done (the attestation nm is still cockblocking me). Id would like to hear from some actual relic owners on this debate.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
all of the Relic bashing by almace owners is cool and all but is there someone who has both and can legitimately claim the pros and cons? all i ever really hear is how much emp weapons pwn relics but im sure alot of that is hot air from tunnel-vision emp weapon holders who have no idea how a relic weapon performs beyond its item box help text.
Protip: you don't need to have both to legitimately demonstrate the pros and cons
I do agree with you but sometimes it doesn't work out the same as the utopian paper world. You know, the place were no stuns get resisted and no one pulls hate etc.
Since you seem to be in the know can you give us details on what kind of reduction on Excal procs we can expect to see on t3 zilart/Jeuno?
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
I swear this argument gets more annoying every time I see it. What makes you think good theorycrafters don't account for those situations?
I said I agreed with Tsuko on the not needing the weapon to reflect on the pro's and con's, but you can use numbers and hypothetical situations that could play totally different in practicality. And I'm not just talking about 3 swords that make little to no difference between them throughout a fight.
Phoenix.Gustavve said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
I swear this argument gets more annoying every time I see it. What makes you think good theorycrafters don't account for those situations?
I said I agreed with Tsuko on the not needing the weapon to reflect on the pro's and con's, but you can use numbers and hypothetical situations that could play totally different in practicality. And I'm not just talking about 3 swords that make little to no difference between them throughout a fight.
This feels so dumb to talk about >.>;
Wut's the point of comparing Excal to Almace ?
Since the additional effect doesn't even count towards hate who cares if it gets reduced in the t3 jeuno/zilart VW.
Looking at your post Gustavve . .
I don't see how having Excal proc any less is gonna help you with either of those. Only thing that puts one sword about the others is the reduces enmity lost and enmity+16 on Burtgang. PLD is about getting hate and keeping it, not DPS :/
Good use of the word etc tho.
Wut's the point of comparing Excal to Almace ?
Since the additional effect doesn't even count towards hate who cares if it gets reduced in the t3 jeuno/zilart VW.
Looking at your post Gustavve . .
Phoenix.Gustavve said: »
I do agree with you but sometimes it doesn't work out the same as the utopian paper world. You know, the place were no stuns get resisted and no one pulls hate etc.
Since you seem to be in the know can you give us details on what kind of reduction on Excal procs we can expect to see on t3 zilart/Jeuno?
Since you seem to be in the know can you give us details on what kind of reduction on Excal procs we can expect to see on t3 zilart/Jeuno?
Good use of the word etc tho.
Did we just time warp back to people adamantly declaring gearing for Atonement output was not part of being a PLD?
A PLD is responsible for contributing whatever they can to the fight, and that damn well includes damage.
A PLD is responsible for contributing whatever they can to the fight, and that damn well includes damage.
Valefor.Xque said: »
I'm honestly curious how alamce can out pace a 95 excal with the 25% ws boost the 2.5 hidden dmg boost and the excal procs.
I know the excal procs don't generate hate but the ws boost, the 2.5 boost and the procs surely must give it a pure dps edge, of course i could be wrong i don't own neither weapon but i'm curious.
I know the excal procs don't generate hate but the ws boost, the 2.5 boost and the procs surely must give it a pure dps edge, of course i could be wrong i don't own neither weapon but i'm curious.
Its fairly simple. The WS being boosted isn't very good.
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Did we just time warp back to people adamantly declaring gearing for Atonement output was not part of being a PLD?
A PLD is responsible for contributing whatever they can to the fight, and that damn well includes damage.
A PLD is responsible for contributing whatever they can to the fight, and that damn well includes damage.
Woah woah buddy. Your putting a lot on a PLD's shoulders D:
PLD shouldn't need to do everything if the support around it is on par. The PLD's job is to keep hate and not let the DD's die. I don't see where this is hard to understand lol. Extra dmg here and there from the PLD is nice but he shouldn't be focused on being a DD. It's not like Burtgang doesn't do dmg o.o;
PLD shouldn't need to do everything if the support around it is on par. The PLD's job is to keep hate and not let the DD's die. I don't see where this is hard to understand lol. Extra dmg here and there from the PLD is nice but he shouldn't be focused on being a DD. It's not like Burtgang doesn't do dmg o.o;
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Did we just time warp back to people adamantly declaring gearing for Atonement output was not part of being a PLD?
A PLD is responsible for contributing whatever they can to the fight, and that damn well includes damage.
A PLD is responsible for contributing whatever they can to the fight, and that damn well includes damage.
The problem with PLDs nowadays is that no matter what fancy enmity boosting Ja they use, the best way for them to hold hate against other DDs or Nuke happy DDs is to increase their own damage as well, unless of course they're like, soloing or duoing.
Asura.Haxetc said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Did we just time warp back to people adamantly declaring gearing for Atonement output was not part of being a PLD?
A PLD is responsible for contributing whatever they can to the fight, and that damn well includes damage.
A PLD is responsible for contributing whatever they can to the fight, and that damn well includes damage.
Asura.Haxetc said: »
Woah woah buddy. Your putting a lot on a PLD's shoulders D:
PLD shouldn't need to do everything if the support around it is on par. The PLD's job is to keep hate and not let the DD's die. I don't see where this is hard to understand lol. Extra dmg here and there from the PLD is nice but he shouldn't be focused on being a DD. It's not like Burtgang doesn't do dmg o.o;
PLD shouldn't need to do everything if the support around it is on par. The PLD's job is to keep hate and not let the DD's die. I don't see where this is hard to understand lol. Extra dmg here and there from the PLD is nice but he shouldn't be focused on being a DD. It's not like Burtgang doesn't do dmg o.o;
The way you guys put it. You might as well just bring an actually DD instead of a PLD >.>;
LOL Haxe u are the best pld HOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!
Hrotti where!?!
Hrotti where!?!
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Asura.Haxetc said: »
The way you guys put it. You might as well just bring an actually DD instead of a PLD >.>;
Asura.Revear said: »
LOL Haxe u are the best pld HOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!
Hrotti where!?!
Hrotti where!?!
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I fail to see how you guys think that just because Atonement isn't CDC or that you don't get a 400dmg add effect that your gonna fail a VW. If that is the case. Maybe you should focus on gearing your DD's instead of making a sword for your PLD.
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