Aegis Vs. Ochain |
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Aegis vs. Ochain
Bismarck.Sylow said: » I didn't think Ochain got its "special" functions until 90. Im pretty sure its just a 20 defense tower shield at 85. Thats like a weak castellans. Getting the horns gives you double the defense and converts 25% of the damage that does get through to mp. *edit* wow beaten lol
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Bismarck.Sylow said: » I didn't think Ochain got its "special" functions until 90. Im pretty sure its just a 20 defense tower shield at 85. Thats like a weak castellans. Getting the horns gives you double the defense and converts 25% of the damage that does get through to mp. *edit* wow beaten lol Ragnarok.Sekundes said: » Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Bismarck.Sylow said: » I didn't think Ochain got its "special" functions until 90. Im pretty sure its just a 20 defense tower shield at 85. Thats like a weak castellans. Getting the horns gives you double the defense and converts 25% of the damage that does get through to mp. *edit* wow beaten lol fixed ^_^ TY for the answers im guessing i either have to stick to aegis or see if i cna get the ls to run me azadaja farming.
i dont see my little static doing it. to much work and i have 3 emps (almost 4) and only one person have an emp besides me soo yeah. not really my turn lol 
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[49 days between previous and next post]Aegis is fantastic if you macro between gear for heavy physical moves (ie, to PDT / Shield). With haste and a bard your Reprisal recast drops to 1:10, so you just need to survive 10 seconds before getting it back up.
Ochain pisses me off. Plus, either you're a good tank or you suck. No middle ground. So either shield would work for a seasoned player.
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[157 days between previous and next post]It's nice to have bouth Shields. Each Shield has it's porpose. But i would say from my personal view that Aegis>Ochain. It just depends on what you do ingame and wich Mobs you fight and the Situation.
Some Examples: Fjalar: Aegis Bismark and Morta: Ochain Provenance Watcher preFights: Aegis Tiamat/Jormungand: Aegis+Ochain Legion: Aegis+Ochain Aby-Cleave: Ochain There are many more Situations where you would switch the one or the other Shield. I realy love to have bouth.
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Odin.Hiruzen said: » It's nice to have bouth Shields. Each Shield has it's porpose. But i would say from my personal view that Aegis>Ochain. It just depends on what you do ingame and wich Mobs you fight and the Situation. Some Examples: Fjalar: Aegis Bismark and Morta: Ochain Provenance Watcher preFights: Aegis Tiamat/Jormungand: Aegis+Ochain Legion: Aegis+Ochain Aby-Cleave: Ochain There are many more Situations where you would switch the one or the other Shield. I realy love to have bouth. Done both bismarck and morta with Aegis was very easy same with aby cleaving. Odin.Hiruzen said: » It's nice to have bouth Shields. Each Shield has it's porpose. But i would say from my personal view that Aegis>Ochain. It just depends on what you do ingame and wich Mobs you fight and the Situation. Some Examples: Fjalar: WAR Bismark and Morta add holder: Any Shield Provenance Watcher preFights: WAR Tiamat/Jormungand: WAR Legion kiter: Aegis Aby-Cleave: WAR There are many more Situations where you would switch the one or the other Shield. I realy love to have bouth. ftfy
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Yeah you can do it maybe without Ochain/Aegis, but i sayd I use it for that and that it's nice to have bouth. Cleaving works with Aegis, but it's a LOT better with Ochain. Who has bouth know the difference in TP.
Most People who have Aegis don't get a Ochain and People who have a Ochain get Aegis after. But i saw also some people get Ochain after Aegis. If you love PLD and if it's your main, you would get bouth Shields anyway. At least i use bouth Shields and i'm happy to have them and i consider it not a waste of time doing bouth.
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Fairy.Ghaleon said: » in EU people say bouth? No lol. But at least in EU most people learn a foreign language at school (in a lot of cases even two or three) and try to use them. Hiruzen, dein english ist unterirdisch, zumindest solange du solche sachen wie "both" anstatt "boath" nicht raffst. Lies dir dein geblubber durch bevor du postest und DENK NACH lol! Kids these days........ The debate was clearly requiring a to high level of IQ for Fairy.Ghaleon. So the only way he could join the debate was to make fun of a foreigner, "speaking" a foreign language and getting one word wrong in Fairy.Ghaleon's native language.
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I recently got Aegis after having Ochain for so long. I gotta say, despite what people in this post have been saying, Ochain destroys Aegis when it comes to physical damage. I also find myself running out of mp very fast with Aegis because of the damage being taken and no mp recovery from blocks. I was playing around with a blm NM in campaign with Aegis tho, and you really can't top that 80dmg Quake2. So like people have been saying, its situational, but I find there wasnt much I couldnt tank with Ochain. Aegis is just another shiney for my pld
Cerberus.Drayco said: » you really can't top that 80dmg Quake2. You could absorb it and have it heal you. Offtopic: i don't care about my English skills.
Ontopic: You're absolutely right Drayco, Xenhas too, but i would eat 80dmg with Aegis instead of getting MP from Ochain. But that depends on your Play Style. In summary: Both are fairly useful for a job that really isn't.
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At the time of this post I have a 90 Ochain and 95 Aegis. Currently 3/5 on marrows for 99 Aegis. I built my Aegis the hard way, before neo dyna. Aegis is a solid shield, I eat AM2, Tier V and ja spells for breakfast. And let's not forget to mention the 350+ shield bash. Now Ochain.... it should say 25% of the time it successfully blocks. But when you hit that sweet spot it's great. Blocking like crazy and building TP. Ochain reminds me of Super Mario Bros 3-1, where you get 100 lives by jumping on that turtle at the end. Sometimes you can nail it on the first try, sometimes it's a pain.
To repeat what has been said throughout this post, everything in this game is situational. It's all about pdt vs mdt. When a mnk hundred fists, use Ochain. When you see a thunder V use Aegis. It's funny when people that have neither think they know everything about the 2 shields. Bottom line, just build both.
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But paladins make good scape goats for when ish hits the fan in bad groups!
Ochain Blocks more then 25% of the Time (depends on what you fight)
Odin.Hiruzen said: » Ochain Blocks more then 25% of the Time (depends on what you fight) Sorry for the sarcasm. You are correct it does block more than that. I was simply stating at times it feels like it doesn't. But when it does, you'll be glad you have it. To Whom it May Concern.
my apologies for the minor derailing, carry on! lol. |
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