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Heh, well... one can hope, I guess. :3
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: » Legalize weed and hemp, America could make money off that threw governmental directed companies only. That could produce a hemphy amount of money and fix the economy. Yes. I agree. It would also lessen drug crimes imo. I bet someone will argue that it would dumb down the American population too and lead to the demise of the American economy. I'll just being waiting for this lols. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Working 2-3 jobs just to barely get by is actually MORE reason to protest because those are not living wages and it becomes emotionally and physically exhausting. being unemployed for a long period of time is exhausting too. if have just enough income to pay the regular bills (rent for home, obligatory-insurances,food,water,electricity),then it can destroy the emotional balance, because there's no money left for things to enjoy. my family lives 1 1/2hour away but i can visit them barely because i have no money for fuel or a train ticket. to get to know somebody is difficult too, if there's no money to go into a bar for drink or something like this. not to mention that it is almost impossible to get a gf if there's no money to go anywhere. and it's impossible to think about to start a family w/o money or a gf. to meet some friends and do something is pretty difficult too, because it's annoying and pretty bad for the self-esteem if you are the one who has to leech all the time. to be mentally stable there has to be a balance between family,friends and a job. if you got nothing of it you're pretty screwed. i'm unemployed since the crisis 2008, for the first 2 years i tried very hard to find a job without any success.And then i kinda gave up because i became to depressive (lost job,lost gf).i'm still calling my old company every month, to get my old job back, but i'm close to the point to give up this as well.sometimes in the evening hours the minds going this way: "i hope to fall asleep and just wake up when life turns better".sometimes at morning it is very hard to get out of the bed. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Tbh, I'm too worried about finding and trying to get myself a decent paying job to pay off this HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE *** student debt that I will have this coming May. Off topic, but congrats on the upcoming graduation!!! I hope you find a job too. Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Tbh, I'm too worried about finding and trying to get myself a decent paying job to pay off this HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE *** student debt that I will have this coming May. Off topic, but congrats on the upcoming graduation!!! I hope you find a job too. Thanks :) It really is an accomplishment to graduate. Not completing the courses per-say, but rather being able to deal with all the *** and doubt and oppression. I pray I do not have to go to grad school for a long time, and if I do, my company/job w/e better pay for it all it. Sylph.Dobrusi said: » Asura.Solara said: » Sylph.Dobrusi said: » Part of the reason people are unemployed for a longer period of time is because of the entitlements they get from the gov't. Why work when you can get paid, get benefits, etc... for longer now?? I know people that have been milking the system as much as they can so if you deny it you are a fool. I've been unemployed before starting my company and I did whatever it took to get a job. These idiots just can't get the job they want so they protest, well tough ***. I know an executive from GM that is a cashier at Kohls and works starbucks on the weekend to pay the bills, he's not protesting because he's grateful to have a job. I don't care what your liberal agenda is, it starts with the *** in the white house. You have a mental disorder called liberalism and I cannot help you. Very sorry. If I had to rely on someone as uninformed and slack jawed as you for help, I'd start investing in a noose. Protip: Not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal, no matter what the voices in your head are telling you. I'm an unaffiliated voter, and I've voted Republican, Democrat, and Libertarian depending on the quality of the candidates for the position. Only wingnuts hedge their bets on the label of someone they're appointing to office. No one I know who is unemployed is happily living off of unemployment. They're looking for jobs, because it's not enough for a person with a family to live off of. Unemployment in my state caps at $470 for an individual with two dependents. If you know people who are content with 24k a year to support a family of 3, the company you is as dumb as you are. Quote: I just spent a couple months in Europe branching out my business globally because that clueless idiot has no idea about what he is doing to further destroy this economy. Argue with me all you want, I have lived the unemployment and owning a small business scenarios so I am very sorry but I know what the hell I am talking about. I work AML/Compliance for an international MSB that specializes in working with small businesses. If you're hedging your bets on Europe, you're barking up the wrong tree. Sarkozy and Merkel are steering that boat up a creek right now, I hear it on a weekly basis from our clients. Asiapac is holding stable right now due to India tightening the reigns and China's slight of hand on currency, it's a much better short term bet. Tossing this in, unemployment rates for the last 10 years: My business works anywhere and I could easily sell and retire at 33, but thank you for your remarks. Call me what you will and go ahead and invest in a noose because my business is thriving and I'm debt free so none of this means anything to me except for the fact that I do want to hire people but the gov't makes that harder and harder everyday. ps, I know people who provide for their families on $25k, it's how you chose to live and budget your money. I played pro golf 2 years out of college and had 2 kids and I managed to pay the bills and save $300/month when I was barely making $28k. It can be done so don't tell me it cant. I'm also debt free, and as long as there are banks and criminals I'll be happily employed, so neither the noose or the help are necessary yet. I'm budgeting to hire two people this quarter for my department, the state government subsidizes it atm with tax incentives so they're not making it hard on me at all. I never said it can't be done on 25k, just that it's nothing that any reasonable person I know would settle for. I made more than that out of college, and even for a single male it was a matter of quality of life. A 2 adult 2 child family at that level is just under $2650 above the poverty line. Of course you can raise children in poverty, around 13% of the population do it. That doesn't mean that any reasonable one of them find it desirable, or would "milk" the system to do it over having a job and a better quality of life. It certainly doesn't for any of the un/under employed people I know, who for the most part just want their lives back from before the bank crash. Edit: we've got to get this thing a spoiler if it keeps going, we're well past wall of text territory. Lakshmi.Mabrook said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Lakshmi.Mabrook said: » Legalize weed and hemp, America could make money off that threw governmental directed companies only. That could produce a hemphy amount of money and fix the economy. I bet someone will argue that it would dumb down the American population too and lead to the demise of the American economy. I'll just being waiting for this lols. Trillions of dollars on both sides, while hemp/weed having the larger money making since it could be produced for the whole world because no other country is doing this legally. I think that's what they mean by special interest or whatever? Right there is the example of greed that destroys and hopeful future the world may have. Btw I have to say it. Most pharmaceutical drugs are complete ***. @Solara. Is it really only 13% raise children in the poverty line? I believe it has to be way more than that, or else the poverty line is pretty generous for dictating who isn't in poverty.
the whole health system in private hands is the worst *** ever.
one simple question: has someone who makes money when you are ill the interest to get you back to top health or is his interest more like this: medicine which makes you temporarely feel better but doesn't cure you in the long run? Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » @Solara. Is it really only 13% raise children in the poverty line? I believe it has to be way more than that, or else the poverty line is pretty generous for dictating who isn't in poverty. Since it's gathered from census data the statistics broken down in different ways based on family structure, race, age, and rural/urban location, among other things. I was using a family specific one which doesn't take into account all members of said family. That particular number was for general population with children circa 2007. In that same year 26.6% of single parent households live in poverty, while only 5.8% of married households did, I used the neutral number because it wasn't clear in the anecdote which was the case. That shouldn't downplay those hard hit by poverty though, circa 2008 20% of children overall live in poverty, and 23% of all elderly (who's benefits we're in the process of cutting to balance the budget) in the US. Bahamut.Alukat said: » the whole health system in private hands is the worst *** ever. one simple question: has someone who makes money when you are ill the interest to get you back to top health or is his interest more like this: medicine which makes you temporarely feel better but doesn't cure you in the long run? If the world only had one doctor I'd say you're right. As it stands, a doctor may in theory be able to do something like that in the short run but it wouldn't be in his own best interest even assuming he cares nothing for his patients. A doctor like that is not the one who you recommend to all your friends and thus in the medium to long run it's going to hurt your bottom line. Assuming your hypothetical doctor is a fan of money I don't think this is a problem. Odin.Gosuapple said: » Bahamut.Alukat said: » the whole health system in private hands is the worst *** ever. one simple question: has someone who makes money when you are ill the interest to get you back to top health or is his interest more like this: medicine which makes you temporarely feel better but doesn't cure you in the long run? If the world only had one doctor I'd say you're right. As it stands, a doctor may in theory be able to do something like that in the short run but it wouldn't be in his own best interest even assuming he cares nothing for his patients. A doctor like that is not the one who you recommend to all your friends and thus in the medium to long run it's going to hurt your bottom line. Assuming your hypothetical doctor is a fan of money I don't think this is a problem. Do people really have a choice in which doctor they see? I don't know since I've never had to go to the doctor as an adult. Seems like if you're lucky enough to have insurance, you can only barely afford to go to the few specific doctors partnered with the insurance. I don't think it's as simple as not telling people to go to the doctor, then he loses business/rep. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Odin.Gosuapple said: » Bahamut.Alukat said: » the whole health system in private hands is the worst *** ever. one simple question: has someone who makes money when you are ill the interest to get you back to top health or is his interest more like this: medicine which makes you temporarely feel better but doesn't cure you in the long run? If the world only had one doctor I'd say you're right. As it stands, a doctor may in theory be able to do something like that in the short run but it wouldn't be in his own best interest even assuming he cares nothing for his patients. A doctor like that is not the one who you recommend to all your friends and thus in the medium to long run it's going to hurt your bottom line. Assuming your hypothetical doctor is a fan of money I don't think this is a problem. Do people really have a choice in which doctor they see? I don't know since I've never had to go to the doctor as an adult. Seems like if you're lucky enough to have insurance, you can only barely afford to go to the few specific doctors partnered with the insurance. I don't think it's as simple as not telling people to go to the doctor, then he loses business/rep. You might have a choice in regards to your primary family physician, but for anything more than that, the insurance is going to dictate where you go. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Odin.Gosuapple said: » Bahamut.Alukat said: » the whole health system in private hands is the worst *** ever. one simple question: has someone who makes money when you are ill the interest to get you back to top health or is his interest more like this: medicine which makes you temporarely feel better but doesn't cure you in the long run? If the world only had one doctor I'd say you're right. As it stands, a doctor may in theory be able to do something like that in the short run but it wouldn't be in his own best interest even assuming he cares nothing for his patients. A doctor like that is not the one who you recommend to all your friends and thus in the medium to long run it's going to hurt your bottom line. Assuming your hypothetical doctor is a fan of money I don't think this is a problem. Do people really have a choice in which doctor they see? I don't know since I've never had to go to the doctor as an adult. Seems like if you're lucky enough to have insurance, you can only barely afford to go to the few specific doctors partnered with the insurance. I don't think it's as simple as not telling people to go to the doctor, then he loses business/rep. Yes and no. Even so, the process just becomes indirect at worst. Insurance X only lets you go to the shitty doctor so people start opting for other insurances in the long run. Fenrir.Camiie said: » So how are their savings? Did they keep up-to-date with training throughout the years? Are they incapable of finding any other work at all? How are the kids' college funds? Can they earn scholarships or grants? Can they attend a community college for the first couple of years to help offset the cost? How old are the kids? Can the kids find any sort of work? How have other people survived these circumstances? Michigan has lost almost 250,000 citizens and still has unemployment over 20%, 27% or higher in many of the large cities. Let's not forget 10 hr/week McJobs count as employment as well. Maybe these people should move to Southeast Asia and try to get their old jobs back? Fenrir.Camiie said: » Surely not everyone who's faced this situation over the years has starved and died on the streets. It can't possibly be easy, but people have made it through this and worse. You know they have, and without any of the yet-to-be-implemented ideas that the protestors are protesting for. Those "commie hippies", right? Let's not forget the money for the $2 Trillion+ bailout was borrowed by the United States from Chinese Communists! Fenrir.Camiie said: » Also, you come at this with the idea that these people were, "screwed up the ***." It's well within the rights of a business owner to open, close, move, hire, fire, etc. I feel for the family, but they were never entitled to those jobs any more than the factory owner was entitled to their labor. He's as free to leave that agreement behind as they were. The jobs belong to him, not to the employees, not to the country. It's a misplaced sense of entitlement. Just because people need a job that doesn't mean someone else is entitled to give them one. It's well within the rights of a country to impose tariffs so high that the factory owner would think twice about moving overseas. None of these businesses would have moved out of the country for cheaper labor if it meant they lost those cost savings when they attempted to sell their product. For most of our history, the US government protected this country's manufacturing base. We were the richest country in the world because we were the most productive country in the world. Fenrir.Camiie said: » As for the bank, did the family shop around for their mortgage? Did their private appraisal agree with the bank's? It sounds like the bank was pretty shady, but the family did agree to the terms. Should the banks have been bailed out? I certainly didn't like the idea. Still doesn't mean they can write off every delinquent mortgage. Then they'll just "need" to be bailed out again even sooner. The banks, along with the corporations which took bailout money, are giving out bonuses to their employees. Shouldn't they be required to pay back those "loans" first? Caitsith.Sai said: » That is a good point Alukut. To the people that say "Get a job". What exactly are we supposed to do when the number of job seekers far out weigh the number of all available positions? Start your own business. Wearethe99percent said: Allow Us to Introduce Ourselves Who are we? Well, who are you? If you’re reading this, there’s a 99 percent chance that you’re one of us. You’re someone who doesn’t know whether there’s going to be enough money to make this month’s rent. You’re someone who gets sick and toughs it out because you’ll never afford the hospital bills. You’re someone who’s trying to move a mountain of debt that never seems to get any smaller no matter how hard you try. You do all the things you’re supposed to do. You buy store brands. You get a second job. You take classes to improve your skills. But it’s not enough. It’s never enough. The anxiety, the frustration, the powerlessness is still there, hovering like a storm crow. Every month you make it is a victory, but a Pyrrhic one — once you’re over the hump, all you can do is think about the next one and how much harder it’s all going to be. They say it’s because you’re lazy. They say it’s because you make poor choices. They say it’s because you’re spoiled. If you’d only apply yourself a little more, worked a little harder, planned a little better, things would go well for you. Why do you need more help? Haven’t they helped you enough? They say you have no one to blame but yourself. They say it’s all your fault. They are the 1 percent. They are the banks, the mortgage industry, the insurance industry. They are the important ones. They need help and get bailed out and are praised as job creators. We need help and get nothing and are called entitled. We live in a society made for them, not for us. It’s their world, not ours. If we’re lucky, they’ll let us work in it so long as we don’t question the extent of their charity. We are the 99 percent. We are everyone else. And we will no longer be silent. It’s time the 1 percent got to know us a little better. On Sept. 17, 2011, the 99 percent will converge on Wall Street to let the 1 percent know just how frustrated they are with living in a world made for someone else. Let us know why you’ll be there. Let us know how you are the 99 percent. Odin.Gosuapple said: » If the world only had one doctor I'd say you're right. As it stands, a doctor may in theory be able to do something like that in the short run but it wouldn't be in his own best interest even assuming he cares nothing for his patients. A doctor like that is not the one who you recommend to all your friends and thus in the medium to long run it's going to hurt your bottom line. Assuming your hypothetical doctor is a fan of money I don't think this is a problem. well the health system is more as only doctors , pharmaceutical industry is another part in this system. The pharmaceutical industry makes all the medicine, permanent cure = no income for them. A friend of mine has diabetes and he has to use dozen of syringe. He told me that there were some news long time ago that they were close to develop some medicine, which makes it possible that he would have to use treatment only once per year, but this has never been introduced. perhaps because this would mean a massive income loss for the pharmaceutical industry. 1 syringe per year offers less money as ~240 syringe per month. Sylph.Dobrusi said: » Bahamut.Alukat said: » the whole health system in private hands is the worst *** ever. one simple question: has someone who makes money when you are ill the interest to get you back to top health or is his interest more like this: medicine which makes you temporarely feel better but doesn't cure you in the long run? Shiva.Scar said: » Caitsith.Sai said: » That is a good point Alukut. To the people that say "Get a job". What exactly are we supposed to do when the number of job seekers far out weigh the number of all available positions? Quote: According to statistics published by the Small Business Administration (SBA), seven out of ten new employer establishments survive at least two years and 51 percent survive at least five years. This is a far cry from the previous long-held belief that 50 percent of businesses fail in the first year and 95 percent fail within five years Source http://www.businessknowhow.com/StartUp/business-failure.htm It is also difficult to start your own business with no capital, no access to funds and no experience. OUr education system would be better off if they taught the next generation more about businesses and owning one or even if they taught you how to finance your own life. In a country like America where they teach you that technology expires in 3 months and you should always go out and get the next best thing we are not teaching the next generation to be fiscally responsible. I'm not saying it's impossible, as some people here have their own businesses, but it is difficult and people are fighting an uphill battle going in to it. It is easier to get and keep a job. Let me also say that people should have to earn a living and not just have everything handed to them. People who work who expect mandatory pay increase every year even if they performed so poorly that I wonder why they are still employed annoy me to know end. It's like my dad always told me "If you do everything I've asked you to do then you get a C". Why should we award people for getting C's and below? What we need to do is motivate people, get rid of the sense of entitlement and get people back to really working and earning what they get. People should be striving to do more instead of the status quo or below and still expecting a raise. I have no problem with people making millions as long as they're not cheating people. Its like with the banks and WS, theey admitted they played a role in the economic downturn and rewarded themselves for getting a bailout. I have no problem that they make a lot of money but its in bad taste to reward yourselves for doing a bad job. Take responsibility, get your house in order and then start taking in the big bucks again. Caitsith.Mahayaya said: » It's just a shame that their current proposed list of demands is completely asinine. :/ It's really sad to see the bottom statement... If they think mandatory minimum wage of $20 an hour will help create jobs, they must be smoking some kinda rock. I mean, that effectively kills small businesses, paralyzes medium business, and forces large businesses to go elsewhere. As the admin note states, this list isn't the proposed list of all the people, but rather a post on their forum that WANT to make a change but don't really know how. I liked the part about restoration of the living wage, however $20 an hour is ridiculous. We need to do something about healthcare, trading it off to not profit private business or public for profit (or private) but this private for profit on people's health isn't working. Cheaper college education and more grants, but free for everyone is a joke. 5 and 6 sure, however 7 is a joke. The promotion of nuclear power in the US is the only way we're going to get rid of fossil fuels anywhere near soon. Solar and wind are jokes... mostly due to how the grid works but yeah... 8&9 are jokes... so are 11, 12 and 13... just debunks all the decent points they have. I see the bootstrap myth already, people are fools...
flavin said: Take responsibility, get your house in order and then start taking in the big bucks again. The problem is that many of the people high up don't care about getting their house in order, responsibility or anything beyond that almighty dollar. Why should they? They get bailout money when they mess up and then shower themselves with rewards for said failure. The precedent has been set with 'too big to fail'. To quote an Al-Jazeera article: Full article: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/2011106141230738325.html Quote: It started early on in the crisis, when Jake de Santis an executive for the bailed out too big to fail insurance company AIG took to the pages of the New York Times to complain that he was being treated unfairly and so was going to give his $750,000 annual bonus away and then quit his job. Evidently, he expected people to feel sorry for him. Since then we have been treated to regular scoldings from the masters of the universe (for our own good, mind you.) JP Morgan Chase chairman Jamie Dimon famously declared, "When I hear the constant vilification of corporate America, I personally don't understand it. I would ask a lot of our folks in government to stop doing it because I think it's hurting our country". Blackstone Group Chief Executive Officer Steven Schwarzman said, "Financial institutions will feel under siege and they will retreat. Their entire world is being shaken and they're being attacked personally. We don't need those financial institutions insecure." Just last month yet another anonymous finance executive sniffed to The Hill, "It's not healthy for rich people to feel maligned." I found this quite amusing. People shouldn't be complain about the country being snatched from under their feet. Further, veiled threats of retreating are meant to scare people down because they could basically cripple the country if they wanted to. I love it. Instead of attempting to keep a low profile after fleecing the public, some of these guys are more than happy to tell you "deal with it". Responsibility? Ethics? Empathy? Nothing more than mere human limitations for some of these masters of the universe and they've long cast them aside. The bolded is the most amusing of all. Little does this guy/gal know that the whole country is maligned, what makes them special? Oh right, they feel they own the place and unless the people stand up against them, they will continue to exude such behavior. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Shiva.Scar said: » Caitsith.Sai said: » That is a good point Alukut. To the people that say "Get a job". What exactly are we supposed to do when the number of job seekers far out weigh the number of all available positions? Quote: According to statistics published by the Small Business Administration (SBA), seven out of ten new employer establishments survive at least two years and 51 percent survive at least five years. This is a far cry from the previous long-held belief that 50 percent of businesses fail in the first year and 95 percent fail within five years Source http://www.businessknowhow.com/StartUp/business-failure.htm It is also difficult to start your own business with no capital, no access to funds and no experience. OUr education system would be better off if they taught the next generation more about businesses and owning one or even if they taught you how to finance your own life. In a country like America where they teach you that technology expires in 3 months and you should always go out and get the next best thing we are not teaching the next generation to be fiscally responsible. I'm not saying it's impossible, as some people here have their own businesses, but it is difficult and people are fighting an uphill battle going in to it. It is easier to get and keep a job. Let me also say that people should have to earn a living and not just have everything handed to them. People who work who expect mandatory pay increase every year even if they performed so poorly that I wonder why they are still employed annoy me to know end. It's like my dad always told me "If you do everything I've asked you to do then you get a C". Why should we award people for getting C's and below? What we need to do is motivate people, get rid of the sense of entitlement and get people back to really working and earning what they get. People should be striving to do more instead of the status quo or below and still expecting a raise. I have no problem with people making millions as long as they're not cheating people. Its like with the banks and WS, theey admitted they played a role in the economic downturn and rewarded themselves for getting a bailout. I have no problem that they make a lot of money but its in bad taste to reward yourselves for doing a bad job. Take responsibility, get your house in order and then start taking in the big bucks again. With the technology in this world and the way we're advancing there's no reason people should be working for a living. Working for extras and above the norm, sure but for a living, no. Currently however we're not at that point, but it should be obvious to everyone that there isn't enough jobs, as people have become more obsolete with technology, a lot of places try to push to not upgrade technology to keep jobs, that's the opposite of what we should be doing. Humans didn't invent the wheel to work harder, stop fighting against progress. So if we run everything with technology and no one should be working for a living but only for extras and above the norm. What is your plan to distribute the necessities and what kind of standard of living would you set for everyone? These are just starter questions as your are proposing a technilogical revolution and overhaul of how we live our lives.
Again Jet, those that hoard wealth are those that make the decisions.
As long as those 2 groups are one in the same, they will not allow human progression to reach a point where we all have comfortable lives. Suffering is profitable. Our inability to cooperate as a race just shows that we aren't that different from warring ape groups. Get what you can for you and yours and f**k the rest. In terms of America, as long as the current system and leadership remain in place, does anyone really believe that we have any chance of moving forward to better things? |
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