Occupy Wall Street Protests

germany:

5 Millon unemployees
473k avaible positions

tell me how everyone can get a job?

The problem is Alukat is that you are outlining a system that does not lend itself to hoarding of wealth.

The powers at be will not allow for such a system unless they are forced into acceptance.

MSNBC, I know. But it's really good.


And this, reporter @ OWS interviewed the wrong person. Which will never make it onto Fox News:

since you're interested:

https://www.facebook.com/occupysesamestreet

I'm being sarcastic here. Everyone can't get a job.

well i don't know how it is for you but as long as i have food, a roof above my head and the other necessary things like electricity,water, then i'm fine. i don't need a car with 1051 hp.
i asked the people in my neighborhood, many of them are willing to abandon some luxury, when they never have to worry about food,shelter and how to pay education for their family again.
also a non-currency would lead to this (germany): daily time spend with work 3,1 hours per person per day if you work untill you are 67.
if you set 5 hours per day you'd probably have to work untill you are 50 or even 45.
but this is by far less as it is now.
indeed the powers won't allow such a system but they won't be in charge forever.
if we start to teach it to people now, then we do the groundwork for the following generation and if the process occurs quickly even for our generation to have an easier life with less things to worry about.

oh my bad, i'm sometimes slow at sarcasm

k.

lol no. Because the problem is independent of who is in office.

Also, as has been said more people than jobs = you'd be better off spending your time protesting and making a change than wasting your time looking for a job or further draining the economy by accepting unemployment benefits.

They are. On the live stream they switch from NYC, DC, LA and San Francisco. They wiki site for it has a huge list but who knows if that is true. And this:

Don't pick on nerds because one day, you will need a job from them. LOL

The average duration of unemployment is at an all time high, currently at 40.5 weeks and climbing. 4 weeks is a drop in the bucket comparatively when nearly half of all people unemployed in this country have been out of work for over 6 months.



Compounding that is the fact that the longer someone is unemployed, the lower their chances of being considered employable.



That's cool though, keep it up. One day you'll accidentally add something useful to a conversation while regurgitating partisan talking points with your head in the sand.

Have we already covered immigration and outsourcing yet?

/backreads

Outsourcing briefly, immigration no.

So everyone should set their sights on being cashiers or greeters nevermind those jobs often require individuals to be on some public assistance anyway because the wages are impossible to live off.

Working 2-3 jobs just to barely get by is actually MORE reason to protest because those are not living wages and it becomes emotionally and physically exhausting. You're like the hamster running on the wheel to nowhere.

People who are unemployed for a long period of time are often looked over because it's perceived that they are "damaged goods" by employers or these individuals have obsolete skillsets.

This problem only gets worse if you're already aged because they can easily just hire an intern, pay them little to nothing and get them to do the same amount of work you'd have done for a salary. Age discrimination is a reality for many people but why bother talking to you about reality when you obviously think people just "aren't trying hard enough".

Did I mention how difficult it is as a family to switch skillsets with hungry children, hungry bills and a job that pays minimum wage?

It's funny you think a switch in the leadership from D to R is going to magically change everything.

Are there 27 million job openings at Kohls and Starbucks Dobrusi? 9.1% of the population (gov't produced figure) is out of work. Even if every person were to take any job in front of them is there that many available? It's true enough that some people are out to abuse the system but on the other hand its also true enough that some people that are still unemployed are actually actively pursuing a career. That you attack everyone who has been unemployed for awhile as idiots and then blame the president shows that you would rather generalize and debase people than to empathize and examine the situation.

There are people who are working to get back on their feet and not just lazing around mooching off the gov't.

Oh God! Here I go opening Pandora's Box.

/sigh

The picture of the girl whining about her college debt struck a nerve. No one forced her to take out a loan. Just saying...


Like not everyone deserves a college education?

I think we need to adopt Europe's stance. Be selective. Fish out the people with the aptitude for higher education. Those are the people who are deserving of financial aid. I think they should dole out financial aid according to ACT/SAT scores.

During my stint in college. I saw plenty of people blow their FASFA checks on shopping and partying once it hit their bank accounts. I've also seen many fail out and re-enroll numerous times.

What really kills me is I know of two people on AH, other than myself, and about six IRL whose parents made/make enough to barely skirt the requirements for us to receive financial aid. We and our parents had/have to foot the bill. ((Granted, I had a scholarship, but that didn't last long (My own fault. Lesson learned the hard way. :/). I still worked and took internships. It was especially rough on my parents when they were putting two of us through school.))

Basically, my complaint is why did my parents/do other people's parents have to pay higher taxes for the education of people who are complete strangers while they struggle to pay for their own child/children's education?

Also, the bachelors degree has been completely cheapened. It's sad that you have to have a masters now to be competitive.

P.S. Things like this gets to me too.

EDIT: Higher education is a luxury not a right!

I agree to an extent, however I don't believe you can fully judge someones aptitude based on test scores. Imo, tests aren't a good indicator of whether or not you can do something. Look at China, they all do well on tests, but they have a big problem actually doing anything. Chinese student educators, researcher here etc that apply get double checked because there's more than numerous cases of them having the knowledge and test scores, but unable to put it in practice or simply deal with actually doing something that isn't memorizing information for a test.

That is the big problem with tests.

Besides college is a joke anyway, from my experience. I learn more self-study, which is basically what schools are turning into. Come to class, get told do do all this at home, come to class and hand it in then do nothing. You're essentially paying for heresay, not actual learning or ability.

There was a thread on ah a long time ago too about this whole "get off your *** and find a job" thing. Some interesting conclusions were found, among them basically, that those "lower" status jobs, those employers are less likely and willing to hire an educated person with a degree, one of the reasons being that they know they will skip out as soon as they get a better offering. There was other stuff in there too, about the whole "overqualified" excuse etc. Tbh, I'm too worried about finding and trying to get myself a decent paying job to pay off this HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE *** student debt that I will have this coming May.

Financial aid based on SAT/ACT scores would be a nightmare. The exams are already overblown in their value and operate largely as just a way to keep people out of certain schools. The second you tie financial aid packages to such an exam, you'll simply have more coaching towards the exam and little of anything else.

Yes, I believe that financial aid should be a little more judicious with who they dole money out to (especially people who are just wasting the cash) which means cutting people off when they show they're going nowhere but at the same time we do not want to go down the road of exams making the person.

If BAs have been cheapened, imagine not having one right now.

If I had to rely on someone as uninformed and slack jawed as you for help, I'd start investing in a noose. Protip: Not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal, no matter what the voices in your head are telling you.

I'm an unaffiliated voter, and I've voted Republican, Democrat, and Libertarian depending on the quality of the candidates for the position. Only wingnuts hedge their bets on the label of someone they're appointing to office.

No one I know who is unemployed is happily living off of unemployment. They're looking for jobs, because it's not enough for a person with a family to live off of. Unemployment in my state caps at $470 for an individual with two dependents. If you know people who are content with 24k a year to support a family of 3, the company you is as dumb as you are.


I work AML/Compliance for an international MSB that specializes in working with small businesses. If you're hedging your bets on Europe, you're barking up the wrong tree. Sarkozy and Merkel are steering that boat up a creek right now, I hear it on a weekly basis from our clients. Asiapac is holding stable right now due to India tightening the reigns and China's slight of hand on currency, it's a much better short term bet.

Tossing this in, unemployment rates for the last 10 years:

Okay. That was hastily thought out, but there has to be some sort of way of cutting people from the herd. It doesn't really give a lot of leeway for expansive thinking.

I agree it is a joke, but a bachelors or tons of experience is pretty much a requirement for any job now, even entry-level, which is pathetic. Two people on AH have complained about this situation now. It's really upsetting that our generation is getting the shaft.

Not in response to anything in particular, but applicable to the thread--two quotes; one for either side of the spectrum:



But let's keep in mind that pretty much anything that's posted on these forums is 98% hearsay*, and let's not let this thread devolve into partisan mudslinging--or any sort of mudslinging.

...Or slinging of anything at all.


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Yes it is. I don't really think there is a perfect solution either. I honestly don't know what to do anymore. It's so frustrating. The funny thing I tell myself is, if I can't pay back my student loans, what're they going to take away? I have no money and my family has no money. We don't have out own house, and I think all we have is a like 1$ car. Growing up we were like a step above almost not being in poverty.

I've never seen a thread go partisan and not turn to mudslinging, so I'll keep my fingers crossed because this is the only fun thread going on right now.