People were arrested for not following protocol and making a scene while trying to close their bank accounts.
what protocol?
bankier: "you want close your bank account?"
customer: "yes"
bankier hands out all money the customer owns and deletes his data.
why is a protocal necessary for such a simple thing?
Haha, you're over simplifying this massively.
How about limits on withdrawing more than, what, $3000 per day per bank in cash like these people were trying?
I'm not on the sides of the banks, but you can't sign up for a legally binding contract and decide to ignore the rules you agreed to. It's not the bank's fault that those people decided not to read their own damn paperwork.
And don't you blame the tellers for the rules that they're bound by.
Maybe if they were smart enough to get a bank check, or was it a teller/cashier check I forget, they wouldn't have had a problem.
my point is,that it is made unnecessarly complicated.
Do you think people put up red tape just to piss people off?
You know, the reason its over complicated is due to the way uncle sam oversees and regulates the industry, not because the banks want it to be that way.
uncle sam knows how to make things so complicated that we don't bother ourself to do them.
anyway, the $3000 limit per day is made, because a bank has not enough real money in storage as people have on their bank accounts.and also most of the money on our accounts doesn't even exist.
for a bank it looks like this:
real money avaible:
~$85.000.000
bank debt of money to bank account owners:
~$3.000.000.000
because they are creating money out of nowhere, if ~3% of the people want their money, then the bank goes bankrupt, thats why there are so many limits and rules.
it's simply to protect the broken system.
Are we required to wait until it gets as bad as Egypt or Syria, or should we be able to read the writing on the wall and try to be proactive in our approach.
If a GOP is elected and nothing changes, is that the point when "by whatever means necessary" becomes an option?
That's such a tough question!
But I think that everything would have to get significantly worse before the "whatever means" becomes any kind of a choice. The federal government for 300million plus people is necessarily huge (maybe it's too huge atm, but whatever) and replacing it would be a nightmare.
I tried to list some questions that would have to be answered in such a case, but each one just led me to more (and equally pressing) ones. I think the risk would be too huge, and the period of adjustment too painful for most people to ever really consider it... unless things became very much worse.
As far as replacing a government, we'd just default to working on a more local level. Local governments tend to work better anyway. People within your town limits are immediately accountable for their faults. You see him/her at the local diner, or buying your goods/services. The community can directly influence what they want to be done within their own community.
Oh I agree - much more local responsibility would be key. If someone is in charge of $100,000 and $10,000 get wasted, people get mad. If someone is in charge of $100,000,000 and $10,000 gets wasted, no one cares. Also, even our smallest (geographic or population based) states are pretty complex entities and should be managed by people with as much local knowledge as possible.
But while all that is getting started... Who owns my house? The bank would say they do, according to our contract. I would (might) say I do, because I live in it, and they can't do anything about it. But, how am I going to pay my mortgage anyway - with dollars? That won't work - even if the company I worked for paid me in dollars (if I even had a job.) But they have to use something - cause I make maps, and I can't buy food with them. So I would guess that some jurisdictions/ideas/someotherword would have to be carried over from how things are now... but which ones? Where's the line between useful and good institutions, and the problems we're having?
Occupy Providence was rather interesting and a less diverse more focused group of individuals mainly lead by Brown Uni. Students. I think their particular protest will fall on dead ears though being a liberal state, you could say we've been occupied for 20 years. Now whats going on at Liberty square or whatever they are calling it now is truly a great thing and hope it actually makes a difference or all those police brutality cases and arrests would be in vain :(
the gop was addressing the president in reference to the amount of money spent on green jobs in the "where are the jobs" statement...
in the second picture the gop was referring to the college graduates having a less than 5% unemployment rate and unwilling to take entry level positions...
left or right; the answer lies in the middle. I dont think bailout beneficiaries deserve to make windfall profits, but I also don't want to cap wages on jobs like doctors, as I want the best and the brightest to be incentivised.
I find it fascinating that very familiar writers and the like are starting to toss themselves into here. I am not a history major, but I do feel that many revolutions are galvanized by those that take to the pen.
Apparently, a bunch of the wall st. protestors are having their personal items stolen by theives. Interesting how the people who want a re-distribution of wealth are complaining when their posessions get re-distributed.
Oh great! The Upper class and Lower class are now robbing from the Middle.
Apparently, a bunch of the wall st. protestors are having their personal items stolen by theives. Interesting how the people who want a re-distribution of wealth are complaining when their posessions get re-distributed.
Redistribution of wealth is not the issue here...
Proper and fair taxation, the return of people being represented, is.
You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to discredit them by taking their pleas and arguments which have merit and altering them and spreading such mendacious propaganda.
Apparently, a bunch of the wall st. protestors are having their personal items stolen by theives. Interesting how the people who want a re-distribution of wealth are complaining when their posessions get re-distributed.
Theyre not getting their personal items stolen by individuals, they're upset that the centralized banking system and corporate greed control recession and prosperity int he economy. Another hot topic is corprate lobbyists giving money to politicians to govern what laws are ebing passed. Look into Ron Paul, he's very straight forward and never dodges a question. He will always answer with what he feels is right and if he's president he's going to be the revolutionary since FDR.
the gop was addressing the president in reference to the amount of money spent on green jobs in the "where are the jobs" statement...
in the second picture the gop was referring to the college graduates having a less than 5% unemployment rate and unwilling to take entry level positions...
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I'm curious as to where you got this "5% unemployment rate" figure. Since adults 18-24 are at 17.7% unemployment. College graduates being among that group. If that number quantifies ALL college graduates then it is incredibly misleading since you've got several generations worth of people to go off of.
EDIT: The last figures that came out about this showed 1 job available per every 5 people in the country. College graduation rates have increased over the last few years because of economic turmoil - since people tend to go back to school when the economy isn't doing well - "Why don't they just get jobs?" is just another demonstration from the GoP on how out of touch they are with the middle class
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Apparently, a bunch of the wall st. protestors are having their personal items stolen by theives. Interesting how the people who want a re-distribution of wealth are complaining when their posessions get re-distributed.
Apparently, a bunch of the wall st. protestors are having their personal items stolen by theives. Interesting how the people who want a re-distribution of wealth are complaining when their posessions get re-distributed.
Redistribution of wealth is not the issue here... Proper and fair taxation, the return of people being represented, is. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to discredit them by taking their pleas and arguments which have merit and altering them and spreading such mendacious propaganda. Shame on you.
LOL, you are really dense bud. This whole damn thing is about those bums not making money and wanting peoples money who make a lot. Keep denying it, it all comes down to that. I'm not ashamed of myself, I pay my taxes, donate to church and charity and started my own business successfully. If these idiots aren't happy about the poor job market and poor wages, START YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!
This is the land of opportunity, not the land of entitlement.
No, I'm not dense. This is coming from the guy who can't even read through what the goals of a protest are.
I'm glad your story worked out, but it's pretty irrelevant.
These people are not saying "We want your money because we don't have it."
They're saying: "When the financial district collapsed, we had to pay for it; we bailed it out. Why did we pay more so that the 1% can pay less?"
Like yourself.
They're saying: "The student loan system has gotten out of hand and makes prey out of students."
And it does.
They're saying: "The current tax system is unfair: why is it placed primarily on the backs of those with the least?"
Because it is.
They're saying: "Because corporations are allowed to donate huge amounts of money to political campaigns, the politicians no longer represent the people: they represent company interests, and that is not fair."
Is that fair? Ask yourself, is money worth more than millions of human lives? Is your precious profit really worth more than hospitals, roads, and such? Would you rather Exxon (first company to come to mind) makes another few million, or the betterment of the species occur?
You can claim that they're just jobless bums, because many of them got laid off when big businesses wanted to do their firings so CEO's can make a few million in bonus money.
You can claim that you were successful all alone, but I want you to think about who funded the schools you went to, who funded the roads you drive on, who funds the police that protect your business from getting looted.
Oh, yeah, those people you're condemning.
Ask yourself:
All their asking, at the core, is that the system gets a little more fair. What the *** is wrong with that?
Lots of worthwhile points guys, but Dobrusi is incapable of posting anything that doesn't sound like it comes directly off the Michael Savage website, so don't expect anything but:
Nothing in life is fair bud, if you want to make money then create opportunity for yourself. With that being said, it's very difficult to do that with the Obama administration which is why I originally said that these people need to be protesting at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, this economy is all obama and his disaster policies.
"Nothing in life is fair, so for those of you that want to try and make it fair, shut up. BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS OTHER GUY THEY SHOULD TOTALLY RALLY THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!shift+1shift+1shift+1"
Ummm...People take out loans to start businesses, if I'm not mistaken. I doubt you could use tooth fairy money to start a business, unless it's a lemonade stand.
Well, it's been going on for almost 2 weeks now so I guess it's newsworthy, yet I haven't seen much about it. It's a protest on Wall Street, primarily on the greed and corruption that festers in that area. Between government bailouts of big banks, lobbyists being the directors of lawmaking, and politicians who give in to these obvious benefits, we've seen a great deal of corruption in the US as of late.
Just May of this year, Obama's appointed Meredith Baker went from being the FCC Commissioner to a top lobbying position for Comcast-NBC. Something, just months prior she had used her FCC vote to try and benefit. An obvious conflict of interest.
Or how about General Electric(GE) getting tax refunds by making its profits all off-shore.
Now, this certainly isn't a Cairo sized event, but it very similar to how their protests began. It started with a large group of young citizens, of course. It's usually a common dismissal for some people. "Yeah, yeah, they're college aged kids who think they'll make a difference, whatever." The fact is, is that protests will always come from this group first and foremost. They don't have the daily responsibilities of taking care of a family which ties older age groups down. Not that different age groups can't support them via the means of internet media.
Well, anyway, there has also been accounts of police misconduct. The protests have been primarily peaceful sit-ins, regardless there was use of pepper spray in one instance.
If you're interested, keep your eye on this movement. I doubt it will be a revolutionary event, but it does express a lot of popular disdain for current issues with corruption.
