"BLM Frame Can't Out Nuke A Real BLM"

It was a legitimate post suggesting that PUP might be better for damage for something like VWNM due to the hate reset. I really don't need captian "I nuke in spiral ring" saying I'm trolling.

Most damage per nuke: Automaton > BLM

Most effective at nuking (speed/staggering/stunning): Automaton < BLM

Most effective at clearing hate: Automaton (1min) > BLM(10mins/Death)

Leaving at that. Good night. Please actually have played PUP or have a clear understanding of how the automaton works before you shoot it down. Oh, and I found this for you Dodu.

Thanks.

you should not post ever... just saying..

Worste possible arguement anyone could ever possibly make towards a job.

FFXI is not hard in any way shape or form, its really sad if you think otherwise.

Anyone can read into a job and understand its mechanics jump onto it and play it perfectly within a few minutes, just like any job PUP is no exception.

You cut the quote off right where he said having played PUP wasn't mandatory.

Nope~

(little question for Dodu : the numbers you said about enmity douse were w/ or w/o the af 3 hands +1-2 ?)

As far as I'm aware, nobody knows what they do to Enmity Douse. Numbers were run without.

ok thanks ^^

You're right, America doesn't have an official language. That doesn't mean you can actually get anywhere without speaking the language somewhat competently though.

I expect the same from anyone posting on these forums, first language or not. If you can't construct your posts in an intelligible manner, I'm not going to read it. I'm not nit-picky unless you're being an ***. Even broken English won't cause my brain to completely hurt, but there is some "English" that I just cannot read.

Related: I'd never post on a French forum because I cannot speak the language well enough. :x If I thought I could at least get my point across without causing everyone's brain to bleed, that would be a different story.

Wow so much fail... You do realize that Caitsith no longer exists and that the gear shown there is very old, In fact I was only back on Caitsith for a couple of weeks, from an almost 9 month break, before the merge happened and a lot had changed since I left mainly the cap wasn't 75 anymore and there was Abyssea, So my 76-90 gear was kinda crappy at that point since I just came back and was trying to level my jobs and learn about Abyssea and such. Plus I didn't want to invest in expensive gear right before the merge, the Icesoul rings in question were a lot cheaper on Ragnarok so I decided to wait to get them. I played for a couple of months on Ragnarok after the merge before quitting again in August.

Now back to your original post since you seem to wanna go at it.
Yeah, actually that's exactly what it means. You see if I can get off 2 nukes in a time span where you can only get 1 off, then, yeah, I outnuke you; period.

Just because in a particular screenshot (which god only knows what buffs and circumstances you benefited from) you manage to get a respectable nuking number does not make you an overall better nuker than BLM. That's like saying Andrew Bynum is the best basketball player on the Lakers' roster because he blocks more shots than Kobe Bryant.

By your reasoning I guess BLU is the best nuker in the game then.

Look my BLU just "outnuked" a BLM and on 5 mobs at once, I guess my BLU is worth 5 BLMs: "Nah guys, no need for all these BLMs to come, I'm bringing my BLU to nuke, we'll be fine"... Just because a PUP or a BLU can do more damage on a single nuke than a BLM (which I'm still not fully convinced a PUP can even do consistently btw), does not make them better nukers than BLM; they're not even close.

Heh, That just made me think of Bleach, that line that Shuhei says right after killing Findor. You seem to be as delusional as Findor it seems. Well anyway, that does it for me, please feel free to reply as I know people like you like to have the last word (although I warn you that I won't be reading it nor replying), but please refrain from PMing me again.

Topicbans issued. Chill.

To whom?

Obviously not you. (This time :P)

checking to see if im banned~

Edit: yay not me this time

Too sick to cause trouble tonight

Last off-topic post from me...
Is there a way to check if you're topicbanned? Or is just a pleasant surprise when you click submit?

I'm not sure if being topicbanned prevents edits/deletes. Otherwise no.

Apparently it doesn't keep from editing =/....

Pup nukes have their place. VW.

I enjoy soloing and doing all kinds off things with pup. Mostly low tier nms for ki's in aby. Though never an event in which pup actually brought usefullness.

Voidwatch did change that a bit though. If the fight is controlled (which it should, mob not running all over the place, or fail) pup can nuke really good.

Pup 93 on Voidwatch windy t4 was doing up to 2.1k thunder V.

Activate->ice maneuver->deploy+retrieve->water maneuver = 1400 Thunder V
3 x ice maneuver -> deploy+retrieve = 2.1k Thunder V ->deactivate+repeat

This does bout 3.5k dmg every 1 min 10 sec or so, hatefree, on something that actually matters, not exp mob.

Also every retrieve+deploy + the pet action itself gives pup messages too, so besides doing hatefree dmg, also doing a lot of hatefree actions on it, that give msg's.

im behind the whole pup thing myself, i do see the dmg dealt with the auto + dealt by the player is quite a bit of damage, my only huge quirk about it is the current AI, which thankfully Camate let us know they were going to redo.

I agree with what you say and I'm not saying that PUP is bad in any way or can't be a useful nuker. My only problem is when the OP says that PUP "outnukes" BLM. All because on a single nuke he manages to get more damage than most BLMs, but to me outnuking means you do more magic damage over the course of a fight or extended period of time.

This was nice to backread.

If SE manages to rebalance PUP to the point where there's a reason to bring it to stuff, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I've always thought it's a very neat job.

i really dont want to see the haste attachment sky rocket :( its one of the few im missing...

They should reduce entrance time on The Ashu Talif to 1/day instead of 1/week.

i thought it was 1/day

Is it? I thought it as 1/week.
BRB wiki.

I stand corrected! I dunno, maybe they really need to increase the drop rates on these attachments or something.

It seems really unfair to PUP.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, but aside from all the other things blm brings to the table they also have access to Impact, and now that we have Manawell its crazy MP cost can be negated. I don't think PUP can lower every mobs attribute by 20% for 3 minutes. When you're dealing with Voidwatch that has a significant effect on the whole alliance's ability to perform, meaning all melees hit harder and suffer less damage. It's especially helpful for light potency during a synchronous blitz.

No I don't have a problem inviting PUP's, and no I don't dislike the job. I actually have some very good friends who play pup a lot. But the hard truth is they will never be a better source of magic damage and support than a true blm.