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By Siren.Mcclane 2011-08-16 20:06:49
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Remedies?
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
Remedies?
that gets paralyzed too.
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But you can spam them. Don't have to worry about a recast forcing you to wait 15 seconds. All I'm saying is that there is a way around Healing Waltz being paralyzed.
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-08-16 20:10:05
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
Remedies?

Who actually carries those on a reguler basies -_- you would think this would be like the old FF games where you carry a healthy supply of remdies ethers and potions but lol.

However mages not carry echoes drops are.....unforgivable.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-08-16 20:10:59
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
But you can spam them. Don't have to worry about a recast forcing you to wait 15 seconds. All I'm saying is that there is a way around Healing Waltz being paralyzed.



no!
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By Siren.Mcclane 2011-08-16 20:11:31
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I usually have Echos and Holy waters always on me for silence and doom. Why can't you add Remedies if it's that big of a deal?
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-08-16 20:23:12
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
I usually have Echos and Holy waters always on me for silence and doom. Why can't you add Remedies if it's that big of a deal?


The same reason mages do not carry vile elixers at all times.

Paralyze is not really "planned" tho i will admit it is a GOOD idea but inventory issues and restricted reseources most people do not carry items like that and since most people go by a "follow the leader" type mentality as it's been proven to many times recently you can't really expect people to think and plan higher then what is common by carrying such items, hell i'v even carried eye drops from times to time when i can remember them (because i just makes them anyway) to remove blind when i don't want to waste a timer on healing waltz or soloing on some random dd job like nin,

But i think remedies they are easy to make i'll have to look up mats, because in all honesty paralyze is bascialy silence for dnc and can actually spell game over on the wrong mob. as i just stated in an eariler post about me finnaly removing it when i had 150 hp left on some Nm -_- luckly he missed all hits enough to get my timers back up to heal but that was a really close call.

in short. you're asking to much!!
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By Siren.Mcclane 2011-08-16 20:31:01
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I personally don't think asking to carry remedies is too much if it bothers you so much you'd like to see the dev team change mechanics and/or reorder job abilities. But that's just me.
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-08-16 20:33:42
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
I personally don't think asking to carry remedies is too much if it bothers you so much you'd like to see the dev team change mechanics and/or reorder job abilities. But that's just me.


Oh, it's not, in fact i think you've inspired me to do it now cause that actually IS a good idea since paralyze is the only thing i dread when soloing, so thanks :D
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By Pooman 2011-08-16 20:50:59
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
But you can spam them. Don't have to worry about a recast forcing you to wait 15 seconds. All I'm saying is that there is a way around Healing Waltz being paralyzed.

The thing is if you get paralyzed using Remedy you lose it. At 40k a stack that's a bad idea unless you're filthy rich, especially on mobs that have really potent Paralyze.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-08-16 20:54:18
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Real solution:
Mage Mule
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-08-16 20:54:57
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Pooman said: »
Siren.Mcclane said: »
But you can spam them. Don't have to worry about a recast forcing you to wait 15 seconds. All I'm saying is that there is a way around Healing Waltz being paralyzed.

The thing is if you get paralyzed using Remedy you lose it. At 40k a stack that's a bad idea unless you're filthy rich, especially on mobs that have really potent Paralyze.

People waste more money on shiehi when they /nin to worms.

"well..all his tp moves go through or wipe my shadows but....screw it Utsusemi ni!!"
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By Pooman 2011-08-16 20:57:30
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Real solution:
Mage Mule

Indeed :) If I'm about to go fight a mob with paralyze my mage comes with me.
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By Pooman 2011-08-16 21:01:38
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Cerberus.Mystina said: »
Pooman said: »
Siren.Mcclane said: »
But you can spam them. Don't have to worry about a recast forcing you to wait 15 seconds. All I'm saying is that there is a way around Healing Waltz being paralyzed.

The thing is if you get paralyzed using Remedy you lose it. At 40k a stack that's a bad idea unless you're filthy rich, especially on mobs that have really potent Paralyze.

People waste more money on shiehi when they /nin to worms.

"well..all his tp moves go through or wipe my shadows but....screw it Utsusemi ni!!"

7k for a 99 stack vs 40k for 12.
I won't argue that people use more money on shihei, but I have personally used Remedy as a solution and I've gone through an entire stack with only two working. That's just a waste of gil. Utsusemi is also useful for regular attacks, so yeah.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-08-16 21:10:17
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
I personally don't think asking to carry remedies is too much if it bothers you so much you'd like to see the dev team change mechanics and/or reorder job abilities. But that's just me.



but if i carried remedies you'd get bored.
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-08-16 21:10:38
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Pooman said: »
Cerberus.Mystina said: »
Pooman said: »
Siren.Mcclane said: »
But you can spam them. Don't have to worry about a recast forcing you to wait 15 seconds. All I'm saying is that there is a way around Healing Waltz being paralyzed.

The thing is if you get paralyzed using Remedy you lose it. At 40k a stack that's a bad idea unless you're filthy rich, especially on mobs that have really potent Paralyze.

People waste more money on shiehi when they /nin to worms.

"well..all his tp moves go through or wipe my shadows but....screw it Utsusemi ni!!"

7k for a 99 stack vs 40k for 12.
I won't argue that people use more money on shihei, but I have personally used Remedy as a solution and I've gone through an entire stack with only two working. That's just a waste of gil. Utsusemi is also useful for regular attacks, so yeah.


The point was if people are willing to waste money for sheihe that is constatly used nonestop on thing that you dont even need shadows for i doubt many will care about the cost of remedies,

they are cheaper to make btw, no need to buy them from the npc assuming you have moderalty high alchemy of course. (or somone you know has) again, i think it was just a suggestion he made. and since paralyze is very annoying i would rather waste 40k then die to an nm because i couldnt remove paralyze with only a chance to try every 15 seconds and thus we return to...the WALTZ TIMER WOES.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-16 21:33:03
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
Remedies?
yeah ok, caus paying 100k+ shihei a week isn't enough, I need to blow up more money in something I will prolly waste x5+ on 1 *** paralyze.Brillant.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2011-08-16 21:35:55
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Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Siren.Mcclane said: »
Remedies?
yeah ok, caus paying 100k+ shihei a week isn't enough, I need to blow up more money in something I will prolly waste x5+ on 1 *** paralyze.Brillant.

On my server, it costs 18k to make a stack assuming no HQs occur. Shout in Port Jeuno and do that. Laziness doesn't give you an excuse.

Also, that's not too far from holy waters, which I'm sure you'd expect tanks to spam if they were doomed in an important fight.
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what's this /nin nonsense =O!?
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-16 21:41:56
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Siren.Mcclane said: »
Remedies?
yeah ok, caus paying 100k+ shihei a week isn't enough, I need to blow up more money in something I will prolly waste x5+ on 1 *** paralyze.Brillant.

On my server, it costs 18k to make a stack assuming no HQs occur. Shout in Port Jeuno and do that. Laziness doesn't give you an excuse.

Also, that's not too far from holy waters, which I'm sure you'd expect tanks to spam if they were doomed in an important fight.
It's not about lazyness it's about comon sense <.<

I don't know about you but I'm usually pretty much 75/80 inv when im on dnc, don't have room for 16 stacks of that ***.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-16 21:45:55
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Also the difference between tank and doom related mob is the fact you are in a PT <---

Talking about solo here.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2011-08-16 21:48:58
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75/80? I'm impressed. My blm is at the same, without obis/twilight cape/relic legs, rr items, echos, I still make it work. I view it as laziness. I'm sorry.

If you want to split the Waltz for other reasons than paralyze, that's fine. But to *** about how SE needs to change how things have been since the job came out because you don't want to carry around an item is just laziness. If SE didn't want people to use Remedies, they wouldn't have put them in the game. Just please come up with a better argument than "QQ PARALYZE". I'm just giving a solution to your QQing, that's all.

EDIT: If you get doomed in solo, do you use holy waters?
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-08-16 21:51:06
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Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Siren.Mcclane said: »
Remedies?
yeah ok, caus paying 100k+ shihei a week isn't enough, I need to blow up more money in something I will prolly waste x5+ on 1 *** paralyze.Brillant.

Sheesh van what are you doing consuming tools THAT fast as much as i play nin even i don't go through a stack that fast (yes i know ninja tool expertise blah blah) altho on thf i will admit i consume shiehe pretty fast,
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what's this /nin nonsense =O!?


It is the basic crutch of most people's job combinations i used to sub it for duel wield but since DNC gets that there is very little need for it unless you are soloing something that hits incredibly hard or has a bad en effect. or you simply cannot function without shadows, it is why shiehe is the most consumed item in this game imo. (or is it?)



Also Waltz can remove curse effect...but not doom............more unsolved mysteries.
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but /nin loses all kinds of procs.
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Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
but /nin loses all kinds of procs.


Shh...most people don't know that :(
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-16 21:56:42
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Cerberus.Mystina said: »
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Siren.Mcclane said: »
Remedies?
yeah ok, caus paying 100k+ shihei a week isn't enough, I need to blow up more money in something I will prolly waste x5+ on 1 *** paralyze.Brillant.

Sheesh van what are you doing consuming tools THAT fast as much as i play nin even i don't go through a stack that fast (yes i know ninja tool expertise blah blah) altho on thf i will admit i consume shiehe pretty fast,
I've been fighting so much HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE TP move addicted mob lately =(
Don't ask me why, I'm in one of those week where it's you deal with as dnc or GTFO xD
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-16 21:59:40
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
75/80? I'm impressed. My blm is at the same, without obis/twilight cape/relic legs, rr items, echos, I still make it work. I view it as laziness. I'm sorry.

If you want to split the Waltz for other reasons that paralyze, that's fine. But to *** about how SE needs to change how things have been since the job came out because you don't want to carry around an item is just laziness. If SE didn't want people to use Remedies, they wouldn't have put them in the game. Just please come up with a better argument than "QQ PARALYZE". I'm just giving a solution to your QQing, that's all.

EDIT: If you get doomed in solo, do you use holy waters?

I have holy waters/echo drop/ all nin tools and I passs...
75/80 is the whole dnc 3 sets + MDT + EVA + PDT + WS + the 3 million of magians daggers -_-

So many time I lost stuff because of full inventory, I need to put a limit on the amouth of gear I get for a job or more space >.<

EDIT: Oh I wasn't QQing or asking SE to give us a resist paralyze either.But it's those situation where healing waltz (erase) having a different timer then curing waltz would be very handy.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-08-16 22:00:01
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i don't think you should have to carry remedies on you ALL the time, but if you're going to solo something then you should plan accordingly. i had a billion antidotes and holy waters when doing adze and amucktrice.
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-08-16 22:03:47
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Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Siren.Mcclane said: »
75/80? I'm impressed. My blm is at the same, without obis/twilight cape/relic legs, rr items, echos, I still make it work. I view it as laziness. I'm sorry.

If you want to split the Waltz for other reasons that paralyze, that's fine. But to *** about how SE needs to change how things have been since the job came out because you don't want to carry around an item is just laziness. If SE didn't want people to use Remedies, they wouldn't have put them in the game. Just please come up with a better argument than "QQ PARALYZE". I'm just giving a solution to your QQing, that's all.

EDIT: If you get doomed in solo, do you use holy waters?

I have holy waters/echo drop/ all nin tools and I passs...
75/80 is the whole dnc 3 sets + MDT + EVA + PDT + WS + the 3 million of magians daggers -_-

So many time I lost stuff because of full inventory, I need to put a limit on the amouth of gear I get for a job or more space >.<


You are definatly carrying way to much, it is good to be ready for any sitation but if you know what you're about to fight just carry the set you know will be most useful. example if you're about to fight. say...chloris you def don;t need a MDT set clogging up your inventory lol.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-08-16 22:05:44
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Cerberus.Mystina said: »
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Siren.Mcclane said: »
75/80? I'm impressed. My blm is at the same, without obis/twilight cape/relic legs, rr items, echos, I still make it work. I view it as laziness. I'm sorry.

If you want to split the Waltz for other reasons that paralyze, that's fine. But to *** about how SE needs to change how things have been since the job came out because you don't want to carry around an item is just laziness. If SE didn't want people to use Remedies, they wouldn't have put them in the game. Just please come up with a better argument than "QQ PARALYZE". I'm just giving a solution to your QQing, that's all.

EDIT: If you get doomed in solo, do you use holy waters?

I have holy waters/echo drop/ all nin tools and I passs...
75/80 is the whole dnc 3 sets + MDT + EVA + PDT + WS + the 3 million of magians daggers -_-

So many time I lost stuff because of full inventory, I need to put a limit on the amouth of gear I get for a job or more space >.<


You are definatly carrying way to much, it is good to be ready for any sitation but if you know what you're about to fight just carry the set you know will be most useful. example if you're about to fight. say...chloris you def don;t need a MDT set clogging up your inventory lol.
I carry all those caus I usually log on, change to dnc and never visit the MH all day lol

But yeah I deffinitly need a solution, it's frustrating at time
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