Blade: Jin

you keep saying jin sucks, but you seem to be talking about every other aspect of kannagi. yes, kannagi is good. that's not the point here, it's not like everybody didn't know it already.

Hi obviously blows Jin away, but it doesn't suck. Nin also isn't my main job so I'm not *that* stuck on getting it, but it would be a nice addition. Pretty sure my highest Jin was around 6.5k which isn't too shabby imo :P
But if I'm that worried about damage I'll change to war~ ;D

Kannagi is so common at this point, i am actually shocked if i see a nin WITHOUT it, every 7/9 nins i see have a kannagi, it is far to easy not to get tbh, of course it is personal choice as always, but telling somone "get a kannagi" isn't very nice, can't expect everyone to like nin enough to make an empy for it. jin has always been the bread&butter WS for nin for years, it just got destroyed by another one :l but that isn;t to say somone should feel bad for using it, even when i "accidently" use jin or have to use it so i dont ruby mobs i still often see 2-3k+ at times, jin most definatly does not suck.

And Hi certainly kills jin outside as well, you just have to comeplty change your WS gear for it vs inside abyssea, as i often see 1.9-2k+ and inr are cases even squeeze 3k in there, jin most certainly can't get close to any of that often.

Well, you can say what you want but not getting Hi at least means you don't care about the job itself much, IMO.
Hi helps a great deal with tanking and with Kannagi even more so.
The WoE version you can solo 100% (well, with help of your NPC for the last VNM) so it's just being lazy if you don't have to means to do Kannagi.

That being said, neither of the weapons that offer Hi are required in order to tank successfully but it makes fights and the accumulation of hate take longer.

At least the OP is trying to optimize Jin in order to make to most of this weaker WS. But it's obvious that this is only the easy way out and only a minor tweak.

Yeah I average 2k Hi's outside on ep/dc mobs, while my jin's were averaging 1k on very EP mobs ._.

question about rancor collar, is it really worth using for ws when your crit rate inside abbsyea is so high already and with da/ta procs there's still a good chance of crit proc'ing so wouldn't iga neck(or does asa beat iga neck) be better inside?

outside i can understand collar

edit: when you got hi you probrably didn't have the same set for jin since you have a higher ws...it can get higher than 1k

It's 100% worth using for jin because you should be using SS. For hi it's not worth using over hope torque(or soil gorget if you don't have hope) since you'll be using GH.

I don't see that as fair to make that accusation. You may as well say everyone should have every emp possible if they're able to use it. But aside from that, I'm not gunna waste my time getting the WoE version, sure it would still beat Jin, but if I'm going to put time into it I'm going to get Kannagi. lol

"So whats the best stuff for blade: Jin?"

"Blade: Hi is better"

I think people are missing the point of this thread >.>

Kannagi took me 3 days TOTAL to get, it's not hard at all. Now if you don't take NIN seriously and it's just a fun screw around job or you leveled it for red procs only(i hate people who do this diaf thanks) then it doesn't matter if you don't have kannagi.

The point is most blade: jin gear is af3/AH gear and instead of worrying about blade: jin he should be spending that time working on a kannagi.

Well...there is exactly why there are so many kannagis lol people all thought that same way, it was actually the 1st empy i did work on cause let's face it, after using jin so many times you CRAVED another WS as nin, so it's all about that inner nin seeking in and forcing you to say "i need this damn weapon, let's get to work" but i am giving the benefit of the doubt that not everyone will is willing to get one, due to rarely playing the job or simply to lazy to bother.

It's not really "spending time" on it if i already have the gear.. changing a macro does not = the time working on an emp.

god forbid someone level a job to be useful. also, nobody said it was hard to get. also, what's wrong with asking what he should be wearing in his set if he's not going to be spending time obtaining it? it's not like he's spending time getting jin gear instead of working on a kannagi, he's just asking what to use.

that makes sense, thank you i was thinking in GH instead of SS

I lol'd, please stop. lol

pretty sure the op didn't say anything about kannagi

go QQ somewhere else about kannagi, seriously, it's a big derail for those of us who use blade jin because we're busy not playing ninja 90% of the time.

I don't know how any one else feels about WOE weapons but i certainly won't ever make one because i feel it's an insult to the weapon, it seems like a waterd down, "pay less" version of the weapon and imo if you deal with going through all the nms and all that camping, you may as well make the real one for your trouble, or just dont bother. because you're giving up not only the aftermath but the +10-15 stat that the wss mod is actually is, which maybe not much inside abyssea but outside helps greatly.

as i said and everyone knows, it is to easy not to get.

Given the ammount of bitching and moaning that goes on in WoE I'd say it's actually the more painful of the 2 to get XD

^This, I have one because nin has always been the main job I like to be on. If I was always playing other jobs I wouldn't have bothered because that time could have been spent getting things for those jobs/other people things for their jobs whoever's turn it was

Chill.

Krizz ftw.

Also I guess this also brings up another question; does anyone know what the chance of critical is at 100% tp for Jin?

Exactly, my ninja is geared well because I got my +2 items from farming up nms in general on different jobs, but because my ninja is geared well, does that mean I need to make a kannagi? No.

I'm well aware the only DD that needs to be at an event is one with an empyrean, but I'm not asking to go ninja. Ninja is the job I use when I'm soloing red-proc mobs, which is a rare occasion in-itself. So kannagi would help me kill the red-proc mobs faster, do I necessarily give enough of a *** to spend the time making one for the once a month time I'm doing this? Not in the least.

I think I speak for everyone who isn't concerned about being "nin main" that kannagi, unless you're striving to be acknowledged as a superior DD, is of very little marginal utility.

If I had to guess it'd be like 10% if anything, on the other hand my luck is terrible on critting jins

Blade: hi is 15%, jin is probably 15% too.

Edit: Nvm, forgot they have their own crit rates :( ignore me D:

Depends really if you got the friends/mental will to deal with jp/idiots to do weapons, least with WOE weapons you are not forcing people to come help make "another" weapon, like you got 4... I got 1 working on my 2nd (it's hard for me to get 2nd) done when everyone and the 20 mules got over 9000 coins/card/jewels of w/e already and solo brew is not an option

Think I saw a test on that somewhere, if I remember correctly, gonna look for them now

You as well.


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