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 Ragnarok.Kongming
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2011-07-31 13:56:58
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Unless you're Blizzard, and SE most certainly isn't, MMO producers do NOT get a return on their investment from the price they charge for the expansion. If anything, the higher the price, the more inhibitive it is because the return on their investment comes from keeping or increasing their player base.

You're living in a dream world, man.
By volkom 2011-07-31 14:28:50
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Well... Lets look at Dark Age of Camelot for example. The game came out in 2001. The game had a huge population with as many if not more servers than FFXI did. and now the population of about 5,000 its on 3 server clusters. Each person is paying $14.99 for an account and many people run multiple accounts. And Mythic Entertainment is slowly revamping old content. All the PvE and PvP content is there, and the playerbase is happy with the current content. IMO the game looks like crap and the controls seem stiff but you can see significant differences when how the game first looked like and what it is now. They revamped player models with better graphics, water, trees etc. Last I checked they were slowly going to redo all the zones with better graphics. and its rumored they're coming out with a Dark Age 2 which is basically going to be a remake of the game

and we're saying SE, a major game publishing company, can't produce a solid release of new content for its existing playerbase? I think something is lacking here...
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By Phoenix.Prospero 2011-07-31 14:49:51
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While skimming through the recent census I remember reading this:

"Next, we move to mythic weapons, which have also increased somewhat since the last census, if not to the degree of relics. While we expect to see a rise in popularity changes after the planned Aht Urhgan adjustments, at the present most mythic weapons remain extremely rare. Who could become the very first brave adventurer in Vana’diel to obtain the axe Aymur?"

Which leads me to believe that the next update will likely just be adjustments to certain monsters in these zones. Much like the recent adjustments to certain dungeons.
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By Bahamut.Weasel 2011-07-31 15:14:41
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volkom said:
They revamped player models with better graphics, water, trees etc. Last I checked they were slowly going to redo all the zones with better graphics. and its rumored they're coming out with a Dark Age 2 which is basically going to be a remake of the game and we're saying SE, a major game publishing company, can't produce a solid release of new content for its existing playerbase? I think something is lacking here...

FFXIV is becoming more and more like FFXI, but for the better. Rather than redo XI, SE is clearly focusing on XIV now.

New zones would be great, but I honestly don't care about new scenery. The new-ness effect wears off. If they don't make something completely new to do in it, the zone might as well be West Ronfaure for all I care. I just want to be able to do something different as the level cap increases, or the game will become rather stagnant.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-07-31 15:21:55
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i always wanted to go to the gigas continent. i'll hold out hope til i finally stop playing.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-07-31 15:42:00
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Expansion to the far east, it's coming.
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By Bahamut.Weasel 2011-07-31 15:56:57
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
Expansion to the far east, it's coming.

Maybe tonight in my dreams. :(
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By Siren.Froggis 2011-07-31 16:32:29
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Or maybe they will wait until the 10th Vanaversary to release it? Seems like as good a time as any... it is tenth coming up in the Spring right? lol
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mintpudding 2011-07-31 16:44:42
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I don't think there is going to be anything new coming anytime soon... and comparing stuff that isn't relevant like Dark age of Camelot... does that company have a over9000 pound gorilla in the room that is sapping them dry of resources because they are still trying to save it while maintaining another successful one? I'm far too lazy to look but I doubt it.

Final Fantasy XI is in the final stages of it's life cycle... doing things like raising the level cap, making gear easier to get, etc shows that. They are letting the player base have a lot of fun without a lot of the grinding that used to be in the game. I think that anything beyond add-on's or just new dungeons similar to something like Walk of Echos are beyond the scope of the development team at this point. They even said themselves that they understand the demand for new zones, and they want to keep that in mind for the future, but I'm sure someone else in management somewhere is saying it's not cost feasible. I'm sure someone on the inside has already run a risk analysis of making a full fledged expansion, and the probably keep coming up with too many risks that cannot be easily mitigated and could end up costing a lot more money than it's worth.

Even though Disneyland is supposed to be a place of dreams and fantasy for children, if all the kids start asking for a Mikey Gundam-like 1:1 scale statue with full motion I'm sure they are going to look at cost, risks, and potential profit... although it is Disney, maybe they are doing that already... maybe Jaerik knows...

I haven't expected anything from SE since the day ACP came out... it was one of those "I see what ya did thar" moments... and while I think the Far East or another expansion exposing a new continent would be cool... I just don't see the development team having enough power to pull it all off alongside the 99 update when they obviously have other things planned, along with them still trying to fix 14, and keep 11 making money with a deteriorating player base.
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By Cerberus.Hiryo 2011-08-01 08:13:56
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I don't see how without some new content they could raise the level cap to 99..
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By Fenrir.Fearforever 2011-08-01 08:36:38
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Cerberus.Hiryo said:
I don't see how without some new content they could raise the level cap to 99..

There is new content coming if you read the posts, but its likely to be adjustments or reskins.

I myself would love a brand new boxed expansion and would glady pay $30 for it. Another expansion like ToAU would be sweet because every single area was brand new and away from the older ones.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-08-01 08:46:23
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They need to do something other then just reskin zones and slap more abyssea ***on us, it's nice and all but god is it making the game way too easy nowadays :/

Put out some content that puts us outside of abyssea for a change and has a decent story.
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By Fenrir.Fearforever 2011-08-01 08:56:33
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Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
They need to do something other then just reskin zones and slap more abyssea ***on us, it's nice and all but god is it making the game way too easy nowadays :/

Put out some content that puts us outside of abyssea for a change and has a decent story.

I think they might do this, because at 99 they're revamping the entire merit points system and adding a Group3 so I hope they have some big challenges for us at 99
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By Fenrir.Uzugami 2011-08-01 09:01:27
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:< Abyssea had an awesome storyline.
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-08-01 09:15:57
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On the subject of adding new zones, we already have tons of zones that aren't getting any attention these days, that they could work with. With the exception of players working on Evasion magian weps, most of the Ah Urghan areas are completely empty. Most of the past is empty most of the time as well. The Crystalline Prophecy series of add-on quests was a nice idea, adding new quests in existing areas.

I just feel like there's already an massive well of areas that could be revitalized, simply by adding new missions, rewards, etc.
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2011-08-01 09:21:53
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like Weasel said, SE is focusing now on ff14, the game changed a lot now with auto-attack , and more stuff that is looking good now. i do expect a ffxi expan on 2012 tho last time we had new "real content" was on 2008 wotg
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2011-08-01 09:24:38
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abyssea is kinda a new expan to me it haves lots of re-hash content but it changed ffxi a lot
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-08-01 13:34:24
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On the topic of PS2 limitations... would it be possible to simply put out an expansion, that only pc users could use, and not ps2 players in effect, not counting in limitations of other systems. if you want to play this expansion in a sense you would have to play it on your computer, or just if you do play on ps2/xbox you would just have to suck it up and play content that is already available.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-08-01 13:37:12
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Cerberus.Rayik said:
On the subject of adding new zones, we already have tons of zones that aren't getting any attention these days, that they could work with. With the exception of players working on Evasion magian weps, most of the Ah Urghan areas are completely empty. Most of the past is empty most of the time as well. The Crystalline Prophecy series of add-on quests was a nice idea, adding new quests in existing areas.

I just feel like there's already an massive well of areas that could be revitalized, simply by adding new missions, rewards, etc.

Please, no. I'm tired of them shoving a bunch of useless content into old areas and thinking they're being innovative.
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-08-01 13:37:12
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Cerberus.Rayik said:
On the subject of adding new zones, we already have tons of zones that aren't getting any attention these days, that they could work with. With the exception of players working on Evasion magian weps, most of the Ah Urghan areas are completely empty. Most of the past is empty most of the time as well. The Crystalline Prophecy series of add-on quests was a nice idea, adding new quests in existing areas.

I just feel like there's already an massive well of areas that could be revitalized, simply by adding new missions, rewards, etc.
agreed. and to i think that adding content to these area's would bring alot of people to them, its just how you fine to them is the question. beginner areas for instance. they did add voidwatches to those areas which is nice... they could do the same for the past as well. and for that matter VNM's they could tweak the rewards for them too, because they are already in existance for most areas available
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By Lakshmi.Kadengt 2011-08-01 13:39:55
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Phoenix.Degs said:
On the topic of PS2 limitations... would it be possible to simply put out an expansion, that only pc users could use, and not ps2 players in effect, not counting in limitations of other systems. if you want to play this expansion in a sense you would have to play it on your computer, or just if you do play on ps2/xbox you would just have to suck it up and play content that is already available.


why should ps2/xbox 360 users be punished and miss out on stuff just because of the limitations of the ps2?

"suck it up and play on a pc" this laptop is ***and I don't have the money to buy a pc. so unless I am getting one for free, you or someone else is paying for it, I'm stuck with what i've got. I am sure some others may be in the same boat. just saying & not tryin to bash you or anything.
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-08-01 13:40:12
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Cerberus.Tikal said:
Cerberus.Rayik said:
On the subject of adding new zones, we already have tons of zones that aren't getting any attention these days, that they could work with. With the exception of players working on Evasion magian weps, most of the Ah Urghan areas are completely empty. Most of the past is empty most of the time as well. The Crystalline Prophecy series of add-on quests was a nice idea, adding new quests in existing areas.

I just feel like there's already an massive well of areas that could be revitalized, simply by adding new missions, rewards, etc.

Please, no. I'm tired of them shoving a bunch of useless content into old areas and thinking they're being innovative.
i dont think its a question of being innovative, i think its to bring the public back to those zones and use them for something. most of the earlier zones toau and wotg zones like he said are completely empty. why not do something to bring people back to them.. they already did it with jeuno....

jueno and surrounding ZM areas were a wasteland for a very long time once Toau came out, finally they are thriving again but at what cost... theres needs to be a balance.. and i think thats what they are trying to do here. is balance the zones
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-08-01 13:42:07
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Lakshmi.Kadengt said:
Phoenix.Degs said:
On the topic of PS2 limitations... would it be possible to simply put out an expansion, that only pc users could use, and not ps2 players in effect, not counting in limitations of other systems. if you want to play this expansion in a sense you would have to play it on your computer, or just if you do play on ps2/xbox you would just have to suck it up and play content that is already available.


why should ps2/xbox 360 users be punished and miss out on stuff just because of the limitations of the ps2?

"suck it up and play on a pc" this laptop is ***and I don't have the money to buy a pc. so unless I am getting one for free, you or someone else is paying for it, I'm stuck with what i've got. I am sure some others may be in the same boat. just saying & not tryin to bash you or anything.
im not trying to bash you or any other ps2/xbox user, im just saying, that this game can bloom once again if that is done. why should this game have to suffer or pc users also, because of other system limitations
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By Lakshmi.Kadengt 2011-08-01 13:44:16
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Phoenix.Degs said:
Lakshmi.Kadengt said:
Phoenix.Degs said:
On the topic of PS2 limitations... would it be possible to simply put out an expansion, that only pc users could use, and not ps2 players in effect, not counting in limitations of other systems. if you want to play this expansion in a sense you would have to play it on your computer, or just if you do play on ps2/xbox you would just have to suck it up and play content that is already available.


why should ps2/xbox 360 users be punished and miss out on stuff just because of the limitations of the ps2?

"suck it up and play on a pc" this laptop is ***and I don't have the money to buy a pc. so unless I am getting one for free, you or someone else is paying for it, I'm stuck with what i've got. I am sure some others may be in the same boat. just saying & not tryin to bash you or anything.
im not trying to bash you or any other ps2/xbox user, im just saying, that this game can bloom once again if that is done. why should this game have to suffer or pc users also, because of other system limitations

I know your not ^^

I do understand what your saying though. When i played on pc i looked at my ps2 and laughed at it since it ran the game like ***. quite frankly this laptops gfx card is so bad ffxi runs better ON the ps2, lol.
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-08-01 13:47:59
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Lakshmi.Kadengt said:
Phoenix.Degs said:
Lakshmi.Kadengt said:
Phoenix.Degs said:
On the topic of PS2 limitations... would it be possible to simply put out an expansion, that only pc users could use, and not ps2 players in effect, not counting in limitations of other systems. if you want to play this expansion in a sense you would have to play it on your computer, or just if you do play on ps2/xbox you would just have to suck it up and play content that is already available.


why should ps2/xbox 360 users be punished and miss out on stuff just because of the limitations of the ps2?

"suck it up and play on a pc" this laptop is ***and I don't have the money to buy a pc. so unless I am getting one for free, you or someone else is paying for it, I'm stuck with what i've got. I am sure some others may be in the same boat. just saying & not tryin to bash you or anything.
im not trying to bash you or any other ps2/xbox user, im just saying, that this game can bloom once again if that is done. why should this game have to suffer or pc users also, because of other system limitations

I know your not ^^

I do understand what your saying though. When i played on pc i looked at my ps2 and laughed at it since it ran the game like ***. quite frankly this laptops gfx card is so bad ffxi runs better ON the ps2, lol.

ty, and yea i know.. it sucks all the way around... i bought my laptop for like 250 .. its avg. but plays ffxi with no problem at all, the grafics are pretty decent.... and i can still multi task on it with ease
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-08-01 13:49:00
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
I want another CoP style expansion. I'd suffer having my character on Bahamut for that.

Actually Bahamut is pretty chill. Most everyone I've come into contact with has been friendly. Take into account the fact that I spend very little time in port jeuno tho. Best thing SE has done in a long time is putting abyssea warp dudes in home cities.
It's nothing against Bahamut. It's just not Ramuh. 7 years on the same server makes a merge rough.

Meanie ;_;
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Bahamut.Serj said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
I want another CoP style expansion. I'd suffer having my character on Bahamut for that.

Actually Bahamut is pretty chill. Most everyone I've come into contact with has been friendly. Take into account the fact that I spend very little time in port jeuno tho. Best thing SE has done in a long time is putting abyssea warp dudes in home cities.
It's nothing against Bahamut. It's just not Ramuh. 7 years on the same server makes a merge rough.

Meanie ;_;
I hear what your saying, im glad Phoenix didnt have to go anywhere.... And the titan merger seems to be panning out decently, was rough for the first couple weeks... i wonder how the rest of the mergers went
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By Lakshmi.Kadengt 2011-08-01 13:53:42
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Phoenix.Degs said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
I want another CoP style expansion. I'd suffer having my character on Bahamut for that.

Actually Bahamut is pretty chill. Most everyone I've come into contact with has been friendly. Take into account the fact that I spend very little time in port jeuno tho. Best thing SE has done in a long time is putting abyssea warp dudes in home cities.
It's nothing against Bahamut. It's just not Ramuh. 7 years on the same server makes a merge rough.

Meanie ;_;
I hear what your saying, im glad Phoenix didnt have to go anywhere.... And the titan merger seems to be panning out decently, was rough for the first couple weeks... i wonder how the rest of the mergers went


when Garuda got merged with Lakshmi all you saw in Whitegate, port jeuno and other areas was shouts of how garuda sucked or lakshmi sucked. no one could get along cuz the other thought they were more superior then the other. acted like children not wanting to share a toy.
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-08-01 13:57:38
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Lakshmi.Kadengt said:
Phoenix.Degs said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
I want another CoP style expansion. I'd suffer having my character on Bahamut for that.

Actually Bahamut is pretty chill. Most everyone I've come into contact with has been friendly. Take into account the fact that I spend very little time in port jeuno tho. Best thing SE has done in a long time is putting abyssea warp dudes in home cities.
It's nothing against Bahamut. It's just not Ramuh. 7 years on the same server makes a merge rough.

Meanie ;_;
I hear what your saying, im glad Phoenix didnt have to go anywhere.... And the titan merger seems to be panning out decently, was rough for the first couple weeks... i wonder how the rest of the mergers went


when Garuda got merged with Lakshmi all you saw in Whitegate, port jeuno and other areas was shouts of how garuda sucked or lakshmi sucked. no one could get along cuz the other thought they were more superior then the other. acted like children not wanting to share a toy.
how is it now?... people still like that or has it calmed down...


and on your server people are still in wg?... on phoenix no one is ever there... mostly port jueno, some in the other areas of, and some in starter towns...
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