Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Do creationists' pokemons all have everstones?
they dont believe in pokemon
Abortion
Abortion
they dont believe in pokemon
Fairy.Spence said:
You think that's due to certain bans?
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
If a woman can afford it and can handle it medically I'd recommend always to stay on the pill (in the very least)
Never know when something can happen like rape or just lost in a moment with someone you care about etc and relying on the guy (even as a guy I can say this) is not very effective
Never know when something can happen like rape or just lost in a moment with someone you care about etc and relying on the guy (even as a guy I can say this) is not very effective
rubbers suck
'nuff said
edit: dealing with your girlfriend's screwed up hormones due to "the pill" sucks too
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
If a woman can afford it and can handle it medically I'd recommend always to stay on the pill (in the very least)
Never know when something can happen like rape or just lost in a moment with someone you care about etc and relying on the guy (even as a guy I can say this) is not very effective
Never know when something can happen like rape or just lost in a moment with someone you care about etc and relying on the guy (even as a guy I can say this) is not very effective
rubbers suck
'nuff said
edit: dealing with your girlfriend's screwed up hormones due to "the pill" sucks too
My sperm is alive. So does this mean when I fap fap to Krizz's picture I'm aborting life? I must be a bad person.
Haven't you ever heard the old saying "Every time you masturbate a kitten dies"?
Abortion is murder. Someone said on the first page that "we don't want the government in our lives".. I'm sure the babies do, they grow and struggle to survive everyday before they are born. I'm sure they would want the state of Kansas to make it as hard as possible to murder children. They need the government to care enough to spare their lives as future citizens. I am for women's rights, rights for all women including the rights of murdered women and especially the rights of aborted women since 52% of all aborted children are female. We must stand up for their rights, for if we do not, may God have mercy on our cowardly souls.
A lot of women experience sever depressive episodes after having an abortion. You know why? Because even though you keep telling yourself that it's ok and it's legal, and that it's the right decision, your heart knows you were just too lazy to use birth control and that you had a man REACH INTO YOUR VAGINA and manually CUT APART A BABY with pruning shears and had it vacuum sucked into a food processor.
Fact, the true measure of our humanity is not how we treat our animals, not how we treat our prisoners BUT how we treat our children.
The voiceless have to have an advocate.
And of course.. For the trolls: no, you can have an abortion if the mother is going to die... And NO you cannot murder a baby because you were raped, the baby did nothing wrong, execute the rapist. Incest, well I don't know anything about it, ask a troll. Just kidding lol. In the case of child molestation and/or incest yes you can have an abortion... Duh.
The End.
A lot of women experience sever depressive episodes after having an abortion. You know why? Because even though you keep telling yourself that it's ok and it's legal, and that it's the right decision, your heart knows you were just too lazy to use birth control and that you had a man REACH INTO YOUR VAGINA and manually CUT APART A BABY with pruning shears and had it vacuum sucked into a food processor.
Fact, the true measure of our humanity is not how we treat our animals, not how we treat our prisoners BUT how we treat our children.
The voiceless have to have an advocate.
And of course.. For the trolls: no, you can have an abortion if the mother is going to die... And NO you cannot murder a baby because you were raped, the baby did nothing wrong, execute the rapist. Incest, well I don't know anything about it, ask a troll. Just kidding lol. In the case of child molestation and/or incest yes you can have an abortion... Duh.
The End.
And no I'm not a republican and no I'm not religious, I have a heart...
Aldiel said:
Abortion is murder. Someone said on the first page that "we don't want the government in our lives".. I'm sure the babies do, they grow and struggle to survive everyday before they are born. I'm sure they would want the state of Kansas to make it as hard as possible to murder children. They need the government to care enough to spare their lives as future citizens. I am for women's rights, rights for all women including the rights of murdered women and especially the rights of aborted women since 52% of all aborted children are female. We must stand up for their rights, for if we do not, may God have mercy on our cowardly souls.
A lot of women experience sever depressive episodes after having an abortion. You know why? Because even though you keep telling yourself that it's ok and it's legal, and that it's the right decision, your heart knows you were just too lazy to use birth control and that you had a man REACH INTO YOUR VAGINA and manually CUT APART A BABY with pruning shears and had it vacuum sucked into a food processor.
Fact, the true measure of our humanity is not how we treat our animals, not how we treat our prisoners BUT how we treat our children.
The voiceless have to have an advocate.
And of course.. For the trolls: no, you can have an abortion if the mother is going to die... And NO you cannot murder a baby because you were raped, the baby did nothing wrong, execute the rapist. Incest, well I don't know anything about it, ask a troll. Just kidding lol. In the case of child molestation and/or incest yes you can have an abortion... Duh.
The End.
A lot of women experience sever depressive episodes after having an abortion. You know why? Because even though you keep telling yourself that it's ok and it's legal, and that it's the right decision, your heart knows you were just too lazy to use birth control and that you had a man REACH INTO YOUR VAGINA and manually CUT APART A BABY with pruning shears and had it vacuum sucked into a food processor.
Fact, the true measure of our humanity is not how we treat our animals, not how we treat our prisoners BUT how we treat our children.
The voiceless have to have an advocate.
And of course.. For the trolls: no, you can have an abortion if the mother is going to die... And NO you cannot murder a baby because you were raped, the baby did nothing wrong, execute the rapist. Incest, well I don't know anything about it, ask a troll. Just kidding lol. In the case of child molestation and/or incest yes you can have an abortion... Duh.
The End.
I feel sorta the same, but I think rape babys should be able to be aborted. Who wants a baby that will torture the mothers thoughts when she sees it. And we totally need more unwanted people in foster homes and adoption houses.
I can concede that, good point.
But we still execute the mutharfawking, sycophant rapist. Lol
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"we don't want the government in our lives".. I'm sure the babies do
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Fact, the true measure of our humanity is not how we treat our animals, not how we treat our prisoners BUT how we treat our children.
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And NO you cannot murder a baby because you were raped, the baby did nothing wrong
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In the case of child molestation and/or incest yes you can have an abortion
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We must stand up for their rights, for if we do not, may God have mercy on our cowardly souls.
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Aldiel said:
Someone said on the first page that "we don't want the government in our lives".. I'm sure the babies do, they grow and struggle to survive everyday before they are born.
What confuses me about us as humans is how much we take our lives so much greater than everything else. We say the unvoiced should have an advocate, yet we eat animals daily. Why don't they get a voice in the matter of them being eaten? I'm sure they wouldn't want to be eaten.
Why do we think we're so much more important than cows, chickens, pigs etc that we feel like we -can't- abort fetuses. Aren't we doing basically the same thing every time we crack open a chicken egg to make scrambled eggs for breakfast? Where's the advocate for THAT chicken's rights? Does it not have rights because it's a chicken?
I don't know. I support abortion--I believe it's a person's right to do as they choose. But that doesn't mean I'd want to do it if I were a woman except in certain cases.
To presume all life is wanted on behalf of every mother is a pretty foolish IMO.
Granted, abortion shouldn't be considered an alternative method of birth control or contraceptive, it still holds legitimate grounds beyond some moral code.
Granted, abortion shouldn't be considered an alternative method of birth control or contraceptive, it still holds legitimate grounds beyond some moral code.
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Just legalize the sale of unwanted babies into slavery. Then, everyone wins! Who would get an abortion when you could just pocket 10 grand!?
Aldiel said:
Fact, the true measure of our humanity is not how we treat our animals, not how we treat our prisoners BUT how we treat our children.
that's a horrible thing to say... every prisoner is a person. you say all this as though you're the person who gets to decide which lives are worth saving. so people in jail and animals deserve to be treated like crap, but fetuses are cute so dun kill them even though they can't live on their own. how about the fact that a woman can miscarry. does that make her a murderer? is it accidental man slaughter? the fetus is a person right?
a true test of your compassion and humanity wouldn't be caring about something you like and find cute. a test shouldn't be that easy. a true test of humanity is how you treat the people and things you hate. real compassion would be caring for something you don't like and accepting it's right to live.
*edit* i'm now putting my support behind whichever gop candidate will get behind a death penalty for miscarriage platform.
Ragnarok.Beef said:
being an *** in general is what i'm talking about, being a bad person, a jerk, people of fall beliefs can agree on this terms.
But what define an *** is purely come out of what you believe in.
Ragnarok.Beef said:
religion is like a gun, it's not good or bad, it's just a gun. depending on the individual who picks it up and uses it, to either save a life or to destroy it, that's where the evilness or the goodness comes from.
Religion is more then just a "gun", is a doctrine (a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.)
source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/doctrine
You have to be close mind if you think you have the 'ultimate' perfect doctrine, different culture think differently, if we had any perfect doctrine, no war would happen anymore and everyone would respect everyone. You can probably find this text in multi religion, it come from Saint Matthieu, bible: "Ne jugez point, afin de n'être point jugés, car on vous jugera comme vous avez jugé, et l'on se servira pour vous de la mesure dont vous mesurez les autres.", sorry for the only french version, can't find the right translation for it...
But ya, basically what it say is do not judge if you don't wan be judged. This is a general rule that everyone fail at, they quickly take a judgment without looking into the problem and they generalize too quick, sad because is one of the rule that apply in all religion.
Is murdering someone a crime? Answer is yes and no, murder someone that molested your kid, can look like he deserve it, but what about the guy that see you in the street and have no clue about the reason you murdered him? And what about you judging that guy that molested your kid, maybe he have brain disorder, maybe he was on influence of drug, who the hell know, you kill him.
Ragnarok.Beef said:
you don't think without Islam that Osama Bin Laden wouldn't have done what he did on 9/11? you don't think he was just *** up and would've did in the name of something else?
See again is brain wash from what you believe, first of all, there is no prof that he actually did it, start read Operation northwood:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
and you find out some "coincidence" of 9/11, then read this:
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
I am not going to judge event of 9/11, no matter who did it, is sad as hell and hope this kind of crap never happen again in any country, some "power abuse" did go way too far and is just a question of time that everyone open they eye and stop that bleeding, because yes people wan answer now, and they not scared to dig it they self.
But to return to the original subject, if you believe abortion is a crime and you still go to doctor for it, then yes, now you have the real definition of an *** hole.
Like bible say: Don't do to other what you don't wan other do to you. [this probably define better what you saying]
Fenrir.Ilax said:
damnit...
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Fenrir.Ilax said:
damnit...
yup, nothing new.
Aldiel said:
But we still execute the mutharfawking, sycophant rapist. Lol
I hope you aren't being serious. Rape, not rape + murder, according to the laws in the US is not deserving of the death penalty. So, no the rapist is not executed. Child molesters are also not executed.
Aldiel said:
And no I'm not a republican and no I'm not religious, I have a heart...
If we're talking about heart then should we doom teenage parents to a life of poverty and struggle simply because they made a mistake (getting pregnant) which is often caused by the actions of adults?
Should the parent not have the right to choose their fate?
You make an argument for the child to live but what about the parent? What if they can't afford the child? Should they then proceed to use welfare and other government handouts to support the child? If you're 15-17 afterall, the money is either coming from your own parents or from a handout.
Even with a permanent job, you often have situations where the pay just isn't enough. Minimum wage just isn't going to cut it either. There is a difference between a job that can support two adults willing to make sacrifices and a job that can comfortably support two adults and still offer enough to support children at an acceptable level.
Some parents who choose to abort their children do so because they cannot support themselves nevermind another being who yearns to learn, grow and requires constant resources. A child from birth to college costs around 200k nowadays and the price continues to rise depending on where you live.
It is a vicious cycle but no matter how terrible you make an abortion seem, it's still worse to bring an innocent child into a world where the parents are irresponsible, wholly unprepared to educate their offspring and simply keep the kid around because society says you have to.
What kind of adult do you think those children grow into?
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
government handouts
It is a vicious cycle
What kind of adult do you think those children grow into?
It is a vicious cycle
What kind of adult do you think those children grow into?
Think that pretty well sums it up.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
Aldiel said:
And no I'm not a republican and no I'm not religious, I have a heart...
If we're talking about heart then should we doom teenage parents to a life of poverty and struggle simply because they made a mistake (getting pregnant) which is often caused by the actions of adults?
Should the parent not have the right to choose their fate?
You make an argument for the child to live but what about the parent? What if they can't afford the child? Should they then proceed to use welfare and other government handouts to support the child? If you're 15-17 afterall, the money is either coming from your own parents or from a handout.
Even with a permanent job, you often have situations where the pay just isn't enough. Minimum wage just isn't going to cut it either. There is a difference between a job that can support two adults willing to make sacrifices and a job that can comfortably support two adults and still offer enough to support children at an acceptable level.
Some parents who choose to abort their children do so because they cannot support themselves nevermind another being who yearns to learn, grow and requires constant resources. A child from birth to college costs around 200k nowadays and the price continues to rise depending on where you live.
It is a vicious cycle but no matter how terrible you make an abortion seem, it's still worse to bring an innocent child into a world where the parents are irresponsible, wholly unprepared to educate their offspring and simply keep the kid around because society says you have to.
What kind of adult do you think those children grow into?
maybe they should've thought about that ***before *** each other. i'm not against abortion, but it seems like a real cop out.
'POOR TEENAGERS GETTING PREGNANT' like they didn't know that it was going to happen or something. i'm all for abortion when you did all you can do and you still get pregnant, but you KNOW teenagers are just *** skin on skin and probably not even trying to pull out.
besides, those kids will just shove the baby onto the grandparents, or go into foster care or something. it's not like if you don't have an abortion that you have to take care of it.
i'm not saying they shouldn't abort the kid, but it's not like the kid is locked into a guaranteed forever downward spiral because his parents are dumb ***.
Aldiel said:
Abortion is murder. Someone said on the first page that "we don't want the government in our lives".. I'm sure the babies do, they grow and struggle to survive everyday before they are born. I'm sure they would want the state of Kansas to make it as hard as possible to murder children. They need the government to care enough to spare their lives as future citizens. I am for women's rights, rights for all women including the rights of murdered women and especially the rights of aborted women since 52% of all aborted children are female. We must stand up for their rights, for if we do not, may God have mercy on our cowardly souls.
A lot of women experience sever depressive episodes after having an abortion. You know why? Because even though you keep telling yourself that it's ok and it's legal, and that it's the right decision, your heart knows you were just too lazy to use birth control and that you had a man REACH INTO YOUR VAGINA and manually CUT APART A BABY with pruning shears and had it vacuum sucked into a food processor.
Fact, the true measure of our humanity is not how we treat our animals, not how we treat our prisoners BUT how we treat our children.
The voiceless have to have an advocate.
And of course.. For the trolls: no, you can have an abortion if the mother is going to die... And NO you cannot murder a baby because you were raped, the baby did nothing wrong, execute the rapist. Incest, well I don't know anything about it, ask a troll. Just kidding lol. In the case of child molestation and/or incest yes you can have an abortion... Duh.
The End.
A lot of women experience sever depressive episodes after having an abortion. You know why? Because even though you keep telling yourself that it's ok and it's legal, and that it's the right decision, your heart knows you were just too lazy to use birth control and that you had a man REACH INTO YOUR VAGINA and manually CUT APART A BABY with pruning shears and had it vacuum sucked into a food processor.
Fact, the true measure of our humanity is not how we treat our animals, not how we treat our prisoners BUT how we treat our children.
The voiceless have to have an advocate.
And of course.. For the trolls: no, you can have an abortion if the mother is going to die... And NO you cannot murder a baby because you were raped, the baby did nothing wrong, execute the rapist. Incest, well I don't know anything about it, ask a troll. Just kidding lol. In the case of child molestation and/or incest yes you can have an abortion... Duh.
The End.
Well then it's to bad unborn children don't have the vote then or they could make the choice. Instead, the grown up had to make the call, and the call was made. Ending the development of an unborn child isn't murder. Regardless of what anyone believes the state law, is the law of the land. What people do here and are personally ok with may effect them going to hell but that's the law of god not the land. God gave us free choice.
Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 7.6% other. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".
@people who think abortion is wrong except in cases of rape/incest.
So you're openly admitting rape-babies and the mentally/physically handicapped are sub-humans?
That's really sweet of you.
So you're openly admitting rape-babies and the mentally/physically handicapped are sub-humans?
That's really sweet of you.
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I'm not going through the pain of pregnancy and the hardship of raising a child from a rape. I don't care what the world thinks, I'd rather stab myself than giving birth from a rape.
It's not about the child, but about me and my life.
It's not about the child, but about me and my life.
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only 1 solution to unwanted pregnancy
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I suppose we can look at it from an angle of "Why should I alter my life drastically for someone that I don't want to do that for?" The cluster of cells is your cluster of cells and has no sense of self for quite some time.
What gives someone the right to say "You cannot live your life as you want; adhere to the cells growing inside you and drop everything for those cells?"
We do not tell cancer patients "We will not treat you because you've used a tanning bed and brought this upon yourself", do we?
What gives someone the right to say "You cannot live your life as you want; adhere to the cells growing inside you and drop everything for those cells?"
We do not tell cancer patients "We will not treat you because you've used a tanning bed and brought this upon yourself", do we?
Beef said:
maybe they should've thought about that ***before *** each other. i'm not against abortion, but it seems like a real cop out.
How exactly is it a cop out? Without proper education, you can easily fall into traps like believing pulling out works and the other myths associated with sex out there.
Teenagers are overall gullible and prone to fault. Go poll any group of high schoolers on sex and you'll see the startling lack of knowledge on the subject if they haven't had a sex-ed course.
Sex is portrayed in the media as something with almost no consequences so is it surprising when a teen imitates their favorite show and winds up with a kid growing in them? My question is if that teenager should be punished for making that mistake.
For most teen parents, your life takes a drastic and often disastrous turn once you have the massive responsibility of a kid dropped into your lap. This isn't to say some individuals don't make it work and wind up in a pretty good place but that is far from the norm.
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'POOR TEENAGERS GETTING PREGNANT' like they didn't know that it was going to happen or something.
Most are completely ignorant on the subject until educated. There are people that honestly believe plastic wrap works just like a condom.
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i'm all for abortion when you did all you can do and you still get pregnant, but you KNOW teenagers are just *** skin on skin and probably not even trying to pull out.
The only thing we know for sure is that most teenagers make mistakes and are ignorant on a topic they profess to be experts at. Should individuals who barely understand themselves be forced to raise offspring as punishment for being ignorant?
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besides, those kids will just shove the baby onto the grandparents, or go into foster care or something.
If you're lucky, you have parents or grandparents that could help you raise a kid. A family support net is great but not everyone can claim those resources. What if you don't have those resources?
Babies are expensive.
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it's not like if you don't have an abortion that you have to take care of it.
The foster care system is already overloaded. If abortion were completely banned, I can only imagine the system would overload from all the people declaring they can't take care of their kids.
Well it's that or back to the alleyway abortions from antiquity.
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but it's not like the kid is locked into a guaranteed forever downward spiral because his parents are dumb ***.
I never said you were guaranteed to be stuck in the cycle but the argument from pro-lifers are that children deserve to be born and to that I say:
Born into what? A loving home with responsible parents ready to take care of children or born just for the sake of being born and then thrown to the wolves when the parents realize they are hopelessly in over their heads.
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