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 Quetzalcoatl.Xueye
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-07-08 19:30:05
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That's a huge slippery slope fallacy. That is not what he said.

You tend to do that a lot, Beef.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-09 00:28:58
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ok, when i asked about anal, before i went to work i didn't expect such a response... lol... ok I know there is a POSSIBILITY that things can leak out of one area and into another, but seriously...? lol You need to be in a certain position, for a decent period of time, for that to happen I would think, and really? you're not gonna clean up as soon as a man busts a nut? Thats just wrong lol... The least the guy could do is clean up lol.....
 
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By Asura.Poupee 2011-07-09 00:41:16
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My opinion on abortion:
It should 100% of the mothers choice rather she wants to keep the baby, or get an abortion, or even give it up for adoption.
She has to go through birth, she has to change her life style rather not she does give it up or not.

Also for girls under 18 there should be some sort of law or something so no matter what you choose, you HAVE to finish High school.
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By Leviathan.Novax 2011-07-09 00:42:33
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No one HAS to finish high school, that law would go against that.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-09 00:42:59
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But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
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By Pandemonium.Scrumpet 2011-07-09 00:44:44
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Fairy.Spence said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
This thread...
Should have been aborted?
/spenceface
Omg, I laughed so hard! D:
Spence, this is why you are amazing!
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By Asura.Poupee 2011-07-09 00:45:11
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-07-09 00:46:38
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Asura.Poupee said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
no
Takes two to make a baby but only one to make the decision to go through with it or not... BS.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-09 00:46:43
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:( I would want a say in my unborn child's life... Thats all I'm sayin. You are a dictator Poupee! lol
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By Pandemonium.Scrumpet 2011-07-09 00:47:03
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Leviathan.Novax said:
No one HAS to finish high school, that law would go against that.
Looking at it from an economic point-of-view, it would help tremendously to increase our standard of education and our quality of education.
A law may be too much but, the penalties for an unfinished education should justify the cause.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-07-09 00:47:39
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
It is unfair, but oh well. Ultimately it's the woman's body. Shouldn't nobody be able to say ***about what she can do with it.

While it's unfair, that's just how it is. He's not the one who has to be pregnant for 9 months.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-07-09 00:48:27
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Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Asura.Poupee said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
no
Takes two to make a baby but only one to make the decision to go through with it or not... BS.
Only 1 person has to carry the baby for 9 months inside them.

Until a guy is capable of doing that, that's just how things are. Unfair or not.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-09 00:49:20
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Tigerwoods obviously didn't see the movie Junior with Arnold Schwarzenagger (no idea if i spelled that right or butchered it lol)
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-07-09 00:50:10
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to be fair with the level of education people have, a lot more people should be failing due to the fact that they pass way too many people who don't deserve it.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-09 00:51:27
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
ok, when i asked about anal, before i went to work i didn't expect such a response... lol... ok I know there is a POSSIBILITY that things can leak out of one area and into another, but seriously...? lol You need to be in a certain position, for a decent period of time, for that to happen I would think, and really? you're not gonna clean up as soon as a man busts a nut? Thats just wrong lol... The least the guy could do is clean up lol.....

This is a bit TMI, but it's difficult to wipe there without touching your vagina even just the slightest. I still wouldn't recommend doing anal without protection of one form or another.

Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol

Childbirth messes up a woman's body. Plus even if the man were rich she'd still have to pay child support.

Anyway men don't have babies growing in them, they get no say. Obviously I think that a man and a woman should talk it over and she should listen to his argument, but in the end it's her decision.
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By Asura.Poupee 2011-07-09 00:51:31
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Asura.Poupee said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
no
Takes two to make a baby but only one to make the decision to go through with it or not... BS.
Only 1 person has to carry the baby for 9 months inside them.

Until a guy is capable of doing that, that's just how things are. Unfair or not.
exactly
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-07-09 00:51:41
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
Tigerwoods obviously didn't see the movie Junior with Arnold Schwarzenagger (no idea if i spelled that right or butchered it lol)
lol in that case, he could decide, but not Devito! So there's still a man who can't make the choice!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-07-09 00:52:53
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Asura.Poupee said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
no
Takes two to make a baby but only one to make the decision to go through with it or not... BS.
Only 1 person has to carry the baby for 9 months inside them.

Until a guy is capable of doing that, that's just how things are. Unfair or not.
She won't have to take care of him for the next 18+ years
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-07-09 00:54:46
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Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Asura.Poupee said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
no
Takes two to make a baby but only one to make the decision to go through with it or not... BS.
Only 1 person has to carry the baby for 9 months inside them.

Until a guy is capable of doing that, that's just how things are. Unfair or not.
She won't have to take care of him for the next 18+ years
So?

If someone wanted me to go through body changes for 9 months and I didn't want to, I'd say *** you.

I'm assuming girls like to do the same.
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By Asura.Poupee 2011-07-09 00:55:00
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lets say if you(in a woman point of view) are going to achieve something big and just steps away, and you got pregnant which now totally destroys your chances on getting to that goal unless you can get an abortion.

what would you do?

and lets say the goal is your dream job.(INB4Parentingismydreamjob)
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-09 00:55:29
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How is that TMI nini? lol Chuu was describing it as "goop" earlier lol... how is mine more offensive?? lol *shrug*
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By Pandemonium.Scrumpet 2011-07-09 00:55:37
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
:( I would want a say in my unborn child's life... Thats all I'm sayin. You are a dictator Poupee! lol
Like a good woman should be! ;)

Going on the fact that the father desperately wants a child, why would you want to keep the child that was born from a heartbroken relationship?

Roll the dice again. :/

My view, as a future health care professional, if the pregnancy is high risk, the option of abortion is a given.
If the pregnancy is healthy, a seminar of some sort that would enable the mother to take time on deciding if it is the right choice should be required.

I was a high risk pregnancy while in the womb.
My mother was told to abort me and, the doctor almost did, without her consent.
My mother, being the strong woman she was, told the physician she'd rather die and bring a new life into this world than live knowing that she left an unsung hero in silence.

My view is a little opinionated. xD
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-07-09 00:56:12
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Asura.Poupee said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
no
Takes two to make a baby but only one to make the decision to go through with it or not... BS.
Only 1 person has to carry the baby for 9 months inside them.

Until a guy is capable of doing that, that's just how things are. Unfair or not.
She won't have to take care of him for the next 18+ years
So?

If someone wanted me to go through body changes for 9 months and I didn't want to, I'd say *** you.

I'm assuming girls like to do the same.

I have to agree with both of you. Doesn't physically affect the male at all. They shouldn't have a say.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-07-09 00:57:08
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Asura.Poupee said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
no
Takes two to make a baby but only one to make the decision to go through with it or not... BS.
Only 1 person has to carry the baby for 9 months inside them.

Until a guy is capable of doing that, that's just how things are. Unfair or not.
She won't have to take care of him for the next 18+ years
So?
If someone wanted me to go through body changes for 9 months and I didn't want to, I'd say *** you.
I'm assuming girls like to do the same.
I'm biased in this situation so I'm just gonna agree to disagree and bow out.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-07-09 00:59:20
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Alright, but just to be clear, it's not a pussy on a pedestal type deal "oh she's the lady, she gets to decide"

It's purely and solely based on the fact that the entire burden of the pregnancy and child birth is on the woman.

If it were the other way around, I'd tell women *** you, you have no choice as well.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-07-09 01:00:17
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Bahamut.Serj said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
Asura.Poupee said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
But Poupee, what if the father has like a crazy amount of money and doesn't mind supporting the child by himself...? Shouldn't he have a say in the life and death of his own offspring? Sounds a little unfair to me... Hell even if he doesn't have a lot of money it sounds a bit unfair lol
no
Takes two to make a baby but only one to make the decision to go through with it or not... BS.
Only 1 person has to carry the baby for 9 months inside them.

Until a guy is capable of doing that, that's just how things are. Unfair or not.
She won't have to take care of him for the next 18+ years
So?

If someone wanted me to go through body changes for 9 months and I didn't want to, I'd say *** you.

I'm assuming girls like to do the same.

I have to agree with both of you. Doesn't physically affect the male at all. They shouldn't have a say.

I'd disagree, however I can't articulate a compromise into the situation so meh.

Also it would conflict with the "it's a clump of cells etc" point.

I would say that if the woman doesn't want an abortion and the man did, that he should not be required for child support payments.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-09 01:00:23
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OK Tiger is just stickin up for Poupee (I think) but Serj... please hand your man card forward.... lol
But seriously, you're saying if a man's first child was aborted it wouldn't affect him in ANY way? I could see some guys getting very depressed over it, and potentially leading to other problems. ESPECIALLY if the guy had ZERO say in the matter... *edited*
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-09 01:00:28
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Pandemonium.Scrumpet said:
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
:( I would want a say in my unborn child's life... Thats all I'm sayin. You are a dictator Poupee! lol
Like a good woman should be! ;)

Going on the fact that the father desperately wants a child, why would you want to keep the child that was born from a heartbroken relationship?

Roll the dice again. :/

My view, as a future health care professional, if the pregnancy is high risk, the option of abortion is a given.
If the pregnancy is healthy, a seminar of some sort that would enable the mother to take time on deciding if it is the right choice should be required.

I was a high risk pregnancy while in the womb.
My mother was told to abort me and, the doctor almost did, without her consent.
My mother, being the strong woman she was, told the physician she'd rather die and bring a new life into this world than live knowing that she left an unsung hero in silence.

My view is a little opinionated. xD

Aww, your mother is a better woman than I. D:
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By Asura.Poupee 2011-07-09 01:01:08
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Alright, but just to be clear, it's not a pussy on a pedestal type deal "oh she's the lady, she gets to decide"

It's purely and solely based on the fact that the entire burden of the pregnancy and child birth is on the woman.

If it were the other way around, I'd tell women *** you, you have no choice as well.

damn tiger :(
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