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Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-07 12:16:38
Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: @angel: Assuminh she can get help before he kills her. @@;
@Seha: I'm not sure what you're saying. Many animals reject their children for no apparent reason and let them die. I know there's cases where tigers have done this. I can cite sources later. Mothers will often abandon the runt of the litter too :/
Yeah... So sad too ;-;
Ragnarok.Beef
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By Ragnarok.Beef 2011-07-07 12:28:11
Fenrir.Ilax said: Ragnarok.Beef said: being an *** in general is what i'm talking about, being a bad person, a jerk, people of fall beliefs can agree on this terms.
But what define an *** is purely come out of what you believe in.
Ragnarok.Beef said: religion is like a gun, it's not good or bad, it's just a gun. depending on the individual who picks it up and uses it, to either save a life or to destroy it, that's where the evilness or the goodness comes from.
Religion is more then just a "gun", is a doctrine (a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.)
source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/doctrine
You have to be close mind if you think you have the 'ultimate' perfect doctrine, different culture think differently, if we had any perfect doctrine, no war would happen anymore and everyone would respect everyone. You can probably find this text in multi religion, it come from Saint Matthieu, bible: "Ne jugez point, afin de n'être point jugés, car on vous jugera comme vous avez jugé, et l'on se servira pour vous de la mesure dont vous mesurez les autres.", sorry for the only french version, can't find the right translation for it...
But ya, basically what it say is do not judge if you don't wan be judged. This is a general rule that everyone fail at, they quickly take a judgment without looking into the problem and they generalize too quick, sad because is one of the rule that apply in all religion.
Is murdering someone a crime? Answer is yes and no, murder someone that molested your kid, can look like he deserve it, but what about the guy that see you in the street and have no clue about the reason you murdered him? And what about you judging that guy that molested your kid, maybe he have brain disorder, maybe he was on influence of drug, who the hell know, you kill him.
Ragnarok.Beef said: you don't think without Islam that Osama Bin Laden wouldn't have done what he did on 9/11? you don't think he was just *** up and would've did in the name of something else?
See again is brain wash from what you believe, first of all, there is no prof that he actually did it, start read Operation northwood:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
and you find out some "coincidence" of 9/11, then read this:
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
I am not going to judge event of 9/11, no matter who did it, is sad as hell and hope this kind of crap never happen again in any country, some "power abuse" did go way too far and is just a question of time that everyone open they eye and stop that bleeding, because yes people wan answer now, and they not scared to dig it they self.
But to return to the original subject, if you believe abortion is a crime and you still go to doctor for it, then yes, now you have the real definition of an *** hole.
Like bible say: Don't do to other what you don't wan other do to you. [this probably define better what you saying]
i think you're the one brain washed. i'm not a religious person and you keep talking to me like i am. it seems ever since i've disagreed with some of the things that the atheists believe in that they just automatically think i'm a christian or a muslim or something.
i don't believe it, i don't believe in ***i can't see, feel, touch, smell or whatever. but i do know that religion has saved many lives. i personally seen people turn to God and it had a positive impact on their lives.
no matter how outrageous or ridiculous their beliefs are, i commend them for finding something in this world that made them feel good, and changed their lives.
what you and the other atheists talk about are the fanatics and the zealots, and i understand that these people exist, but you can't condemn them all to being evil because the zealots do NOT represent the majority of them.
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-07-07 12:30:38
Leviathan.Niniann said: Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: @angel: Assuminh she can get help before he kills her. @@;
@Seha: I'm not sure what you're saying. Many animals reject their children for no apparent reason and let them die. I know there's cases where tigers have done this. I can cite sources later. Mothers will often abandon the runt of the litter too :/
Yeah... So sad too ;-; Or mother birds pushing deformed chicks from the nest.
Ragnarok.Hevans
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-07-07 12:31:55
Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: @angel: Assuminh she can get help before he kills her. @@;
@Seha: I'm not sure what you're saying. Many animals reject their children for no apparent reason and let them die. I know there's cases where tigers have done this. I can cite sources later. Mothers will often abandon the runt of the litter too :/
Yeah... So sad too ;-; Or mother birds pushing deformed chicks from the nest.
oh god it's the worst. you hear that little "tweet tweet" outside the window. i've tried to save so many of those little ***.
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-07-07 12:32:48
Ragnarok.Hevans said: Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: @angel: Assuminh she can get help before he kills her. @@;
@Seha: I'm not sure what you're saying. Many animals reject their children for no apparent reason and let them die. I know there's cases where tigers have done this. I can cite sources later. Mothers will often abandon the runt of the litter too :/
Yeah... So sad too ;-; Or mother birds pushing deformed chicks from the nest.
oh god it's the worst. you hear that little "tweet tweet" outside the window. i've tried to save so many of those little ***. Know someone who did that.
The bird lived 15 years but you had to wash it daily and do a few other things.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-07-07 12:35:08
Ragnarok.Hevans said: Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: @angel: Assuminh she can get help before he kills her. @@;
@Seha: I'm not sure what you're saying. Many animals reject their children for no apparent reason and let them die. I know there's cases where tigers have done this. I can cite sources later. Mothers will often abandon the runt of the litter too :/
Yeah... So sad too ;-; Or mother birds pushing deformed chicks from the nest.
oh god it's the worst. you hear that little "tweet tweet" outside the window. i've tried to save so many of those little ***.
It's sad but it's the animal instinct.Cats eat their kittens if they feel that they arent in "perfect shape".It's horrible but not like we have control on that =(
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-07 12:39:45
Animals are trying to look out for the future if their species, but it's so terribly sad. @@; Worst IMO are Fennec foxes that kill their young if they think they're in danger. ._.
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-07-07 12:43:11
Leviathan.Niniann said: Animals are trying to look out for the future if their species, but it's so terribly sad. @@; Worst IMO are Fennec foxes that kill their young if they think they're in danger. ._. Exactly. That's why the human gene pool is so diluted with so many hereditary diseases. It's not nice it's not pretty but it's a way to preserve your species and ensure the best genetics get passed on. Our own humanity is the reason we don't do this ourselves.
By Artemicion 2011-07-07 12:44:01
Leviathan.Niniann said: Animals are trying to look out for the future if their species, but it's so terribly sad. @@; Worst IMO are Fennec foxes that kill their young if they think they're in danger. ._.
Then there's also pandas that won't screw to save their own species.
In fact I read some crazy thing somewhere that said environmentalists or something of the like are showing pandas pornography to increase their sex drive lol.
By Artemicion 2011-07-07 12:44:41
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Animals are trying to look out for the future if their species, but it's so terribly sad. @@; Worst IMO are Fennec foxes that kill their young if they think they're in danger. ._. that's very kind of them actually if I knew my child was about to endure horrible pain dying I'd kill them (hopefully be strong enough to)
Seeing a loved one suffer is the worst thing imagineable to me
Ever seen The Mist or The Road?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-07-07 12:48:13
Artemicion said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Animals are trying to look out for the future if their species, but it's so terribly sad. @@; Worst IMO are Fennec foxes that kill their young if they think they're in danger. ._. that's very kind of them actually if I knew my child was about to endure horrible pain dying I'd kill them (hopefully be strong enough to)
Seeing a loved one suffer is the worst thing imagineable to me
Ever seen The Mist or The Road?
I liked The Mist because of that ending.
By Artemicion 2011-07-07 12:49:35
Bismarck.Dracondria said: Artemicion said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Animals are trying to look out for the future if their species, but it's so terribly sad. @@; Worst IMO are Fennec foxes that kill their young if they think they're in danger. ._. that's very kind of them actually if I knew my child was about to endure horrible pain dying I'd kill them (hopefully be strong enough to)
Seeing a loved one suffer is the worst thing imagineable to me
Ever seen The Mist or The Road?
I liked The Mist because of that ending.
I know a lot of people that either hated it because of that ending, or some how got spoiler'd and refuse to see it because of the ending. But regardless, it was a very well done film.
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-07 12:53:51
Panda porn...
As for the foxes, I agree it is very kind. They still do this in captivity though if startled ;-; Poor baby foxes....
*has a sad*
Our species would be better off if we did as the animals did in regards to eliminating the weak... But I doubt that'll ever become commonplace. DAMN CHRISTIANS! (jk don't kill me)
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Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-07-07 12:58:23
Leviathan.Niniann said: Panda porn...
As for the foxes, I agree it is very kind. They still do this in captivity though if startled ;-; Poor baby foxes....
*has a sad*
Our species would be better off if we did as the animals did in regards to eliminating the weak... But I doubt that'll ever become commonplace. DAMN CHRISTIANS! (jk don't kill me) I catch a lot of crap for saying this at times.
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By Artemicion 2011-07-07 13:01:04
Many people are touchy to the concept of population or quality control, but fact of the matter is, it really isn't such a bad thing.
Fenrir.Ilax
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-07-07 13:10:19
Ragnarok.Beef said: i think you're the one brain washed. i'm not a religious person and you keep talking to me like i am.
No worry i am not a "religious person" too, was just pointing some part of the bible as a good moral and should be considered when it come to judge other.
Ragnarok.Beef said: i don't believe it, i don't believe in ***i can't see, feel, touch, smell or whatever. but i do know that religion has saved many lives. i personally seen people turn to God and it had a positive impact on their lives.
There a lots of stuff that you can't see, feel, touch, smell, to name some: your soul, the love, the hate, the time elapsing, people aura to only name those.
OF course we can debate on that too, the science are not ignoring it, is just a gray zone because none understand it, not mean they do not exist because you can't see, feel, touch, smell.
Perfect example of this is Quantum mechanic.
Anyway, sorry guy if i derailed this =X
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-07-07 13:11:40
Ragnarok.Beef said: the zealots do NOT represent the majority of them. Depends where you live honestly. There are places where they represent the entire population, others where they're non existant.
By Halfpint 2011-07-07 13:16:18
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Halfpint said: what would you advise..........(this may be a bit over the top but it is a true situation).. scenario : couple gets married, he moves her away from her family and friends so she has not suport system. She is Completely dependent on him for everything, food, clothing, shelter, transportation. Everything fine for 1 year, then he begins abusing her physically and mentally. He wants kids so he forces sex(basically spousal rape) on his wife until she gets pregnant. He continues to abuse her through pregnancy, she almost loses the baby 3 times because he is hitting her in the abdomin and kidneys. She is beaten so badly on one occassion she ends up in the hospital. While there she tries to get nurses to understand she want help but he is always present so her attempts are fruitless. She has baby and everything is ok for 3 months. He then gets jealous of the time she spends with baby and begins to abuse her again. He also becomes violent with the baby when it cries, throwing it into the crib or onto the sofa or chair, then he starts hitting her for not being able to keep the baby "under control". When the first child is 14 mo.old she becomes pregnant again but does not want to bring another child into the relationship, continuing the pregnancy is not an option because he has already said if she gets pregnant he will "beat the baby out of her, even if he has to kill her". For those rightious pro-lifers... would you deny her an abortion?? which is worse, him killing the mom, or removing a bunch of cells at an early stage? I would recommend one of the THOUSANDS of renewal houses or battered women shelters and help her SAVE HERSELF and her CHILDREN. If she is in the hospital or takes the child to the DR she has an opportunity to say help me.
Unfortunately, not all communities have these and it was not available in her area. He is always there, and when he wasn't with her she was locked in the house..even in Dr. visits.
the outcome?
she was finally able to get into a clinic at the 8 week mark without him(the first child was with the father) and was denied the abortion pill, even after explaining the situation, she was told to come back in 3 days which was not possible. In despiration she, invented a reason to go to the library and researched herbalism...found information on several plants that can cause spontaneous abortion. She managed to acquire them but not knowing how to measure or brew them she almost died from complications. She didn't lose the baby, from the atempts to self abort or from beatings she recieved. It was born severely handicapped, and died 6 weeks later. The last beating she received from him caused brain damage, he abandoned the child on a highway and took off.
To this day, i wonder, if she had been seen by a compassionate Dr. that day, would the final outcome have been different.
There are other stories that support abortions for extenuating circumstances. Many are horrific, all end tragically. I know this is america, and people have the right to religious beliefs, but it's time to put a woman's health and choice BEFORE legislation that does more harm than good.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-07-07 13:21:43
I don't believe religion should be involved in law making, it should be stricter so one groups religion doesn't stand in the way of basic rights. Just like gay marriage.
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Ragnarok.Beef
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By Ragnarok.Beef 2011-07-07 13:38:23
Phoenix.Sehachan said: Ragnarok.Beef said: the zealots do NOT represent the majority of them. Depends where you live honestly. There are places where they represent the entire population, others where they're non existant.
the majority of religious people are not fanatical and are otherwise decent people. they don't talk down to you and try to belittle your intelligence. of course i've met some religious people like this, but i've met people like that who are atheists too. like i said earlier, no matter if there is religion or not, people are people.
it wouldn't change people who are devout fanatical christians into normal decent people, it will change them into devout fanatics of something else. they don't give enough credit to people as individuals, the religion doesn't define you, your personality does.
it's like saying if we got rid of crack then there wouldn't be any crazy drug addicts. it's not true, they'd just be crazy meth addicts, or crazy coke addicts. people will always find something to latch on to, but the problem is not the drugs or the religion, the problem is the person.
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By Ragnarok.Beef 2011-07-07 13:39:39
Bismarck.Dracondria said: I don't believe religion should be involved in law making, it should be stricter so one groups religion doesn't stand in the way of basic rights. Just like gay marriage.
agree 100%.
By Halfpint 2011-07-07 14:01:20
My greatest fear is that abortions will, once again, become illegal.
Women will be forced to try to self-abort. Or turn to people who are less than qualified to do the proceedure. The number of uterine infections, ruptured/perforated uteruses and even death from hemorraging will rise.
If my taxes are going to pay for something i would rather $500.00 go to a clinic that offers abortions than $17,000 to pay for a hospital stay, because someone almost died after going to a hack or using deadly plants to end a pregnancy
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-07-07 18:31:18
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I suppose we can look at it from an angle of "Why should I alter my life drastically for someone that I don't want to do that for?" The cluster of cells is your cluster of cells and has no sense of self for quite some time.
What gives someone the right to say "You cannot live your life as you want; adhere to the cells growing inside you and drop everything for those cells?"
We do not tell cancer patients "We will not treat you because you've used a tanning bed and brought this upon yourself", do we?
I just want to repost this because I think it was lost to the pages. Can anyone answer this for me?
By Aldiel 2011-07-07 20:51:43
Answer:
1. it's not a clump of cells....
By the time most women are sure they are between 6 and 8 weeks along and the baby looks like a little human being, not a clump.
2. rubbing your penis inside a vagina without birth control is irresponsible, and neglecting responsibility has consequences. Your analogy should read "I was refused treatment because I wouldn't quit drinking radioactive mercury". And yes, a doctor will refuse to treat someone that is blatantly disregarding the advice of their primary care provider. Take my mom for example, her doctor has refused to continue treating here because she would not quit smoking cigarettes after having a stroke. The doctor cannot help her because she refuses to help herself. Help not to have an abortion by putting on a condom instead of being a dumbass.
You're welcome.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-07-07 22:14:27
How is it not a clump of cells? I am a clump of cells, so are you.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-07-07 22:22:16
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: How is it not a clump of cells? I am a clump of cells, so are you. inb4 caniabortsyou?
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By Valefor.Ivaan 2011-07-07 22:30:44
Halfpint said: My greatest fear is that abortions will, once again, become illegal.
Women will be forced to try to self-abort. Or turn to people who are less than qualified to do the proceedure. The number of uterine infections, ruptured/perforated uteruses and even death from hemorraging will rise.
If my taxes are going to pay for something i would rather $500.00 go to a clinic that offers abortions than $17,000 to pay for a hospital stay, because someone almost died after going to a hack or using deadly plants to end a pregnancy
Abortion should be 100% the womans choice.
imo.
I wanna kick those ppl who protest out of the abortion places in the face. You hear stories of ppl who know their children are already still born or wont make it, or other things.
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By Fenrir.Emirii 2011-07-07 23:20:57
Mother, Father, and OBgyn decision ONLY!!
The only other people who care either because of monetary or power reasons are:
Religious group (power, more population = more followers, it's not all just about "a life" as one might think, or are brainwashed into thinking)
Funeral homes (More people = more deaths. As much as we don't like to think, infant mortality rates do exist, and they are pretty high in the US)
Hospitals, Insurance companies (self explanatory)
Political (More people, more taxes. More dependents, more taxes. More consumers, more sales taxes.)
There is also a psychological aspect to it. As a society we are brought up to think that childbirth and being able to conceive is something special and that it should not be tampered with. While this is TRUE there are some situations in which it's just not the right time to have a child either because of the situation or how young the mother is.
Yes just like majority of the responses:
tldr;
It's the womans AND mans choice.
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By Caitsith.Jessie 2011-07-07 23:50:53
I'm in an odd situation. See, I'm pro-choice just because I understand the many reasons a woman could need to have an abortion. But at the same time I'm pro-life just because I've seen live footage (video recorded ultrasound) of what a fetal abortion looks like... and it's really not pretty.
To describe in words would probably get me permanently banned from the entire internet. I've explained it to a friend once, and when I only got about halfway through describing it he told me to stop.
vs Kansas:
Kansas to Shut Down All but One Abortion Clinic Friday | Mother Jones
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/kansas-shut-down-all-abortion-clinics-friday
Quote: This story has been updated below.
It's official. Every abortion provider in the state of Kansas has been denied a license to continue operating as of July 1. As we reported last week, strict new state laws put in place this month threatened to close the remaining three abortion clinics in Kansas. The staff of one of these facilities, a Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park, initially thought their operation could survive the strict new standards. But on Thursday afternoon, Planned Parenthood announced that the Overland Park clinic has thus far been denied a license to continue operating—effectively cutting off access to legal abortion in the entire state.
The new law, which takes effect Friday, establishes new standards for abortion providers—standards apparently designed to make compliance difficult. The rules require changes to the size and number of rooms, compel clinics to have additional supplies on hand, and even mandate room temperatures for the facilities. Given that the rules were released less than two weeks before clinics were expected to be in compliance, many providers knew they wouldn't be able to obtain a license to continue operating. The laws, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or TRAP laws, are an increasingly common legislative maneuver to limit access to abortion by redering it tough, if not impossible, for providers to comply.
With today's announcement that the Overland Park clinic was denied a license, Kansas becomes the first state to effectively make the legally protected right to obtain abortion services moot. One clinic in Kansas has already filed suit against the new rules, and a hearing on that suit is planned for Friday. Planned Parenthood is also expected to sue. The clinics are also expected to seek an injunction to block the law from being enforced. UPDATE: Planned Parenthood has filed suit. They are seeking an emergency injunction to allow their clinic to remain open while the lawsuit is pending.
"The women of Kansas waiting on their scheduled procedures will pay the immediate price for this outrageous and flagrant exertion of the radical GOP’s legislative muscle under the Brownback administration," said Kansas NOW in a statement Thursday, referring to conservative Republican Gov. Sam Brownback. "The freedom and right to legal healthcare has been denied to the women of Kansas."
UPDATE: In a statement issued Thursday evening, Peter Brownlie, president of Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri, seemed to hold out some hope that its clinic could still obtain a license to continue operating, even as the organization sought an injuction to block the law from taking effect. "We have been targeted in this bill and Kansas women are the ones who will suffer if their health care is taken away," said Brownlie. "This is radical, extreme government intrusion into private health care."
UPDATE 5:45 PM EST THURSDAY: The Associated Press is reporting that the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, after initially denying a license to Planned Parenthood, has now changed their mind. Stay tuned for more updates. PP said inspectors were back at the clinic Thursday reevaluating it, after earlier this week indicating that they would not be able to obtain one.
UPDATE 6:08 PM EST THURSDAY: Planned Parenthood just announced that the health department has, in fact, decided to grant it a license to continue operating. The PP clinic in Overland Park will remain open. "Notwithstanding that the regulations are burdensome and unnecessary, the findings of the inspection indicate what we have known and said throughout this process: Planned Parenthood operates with the highest standards of patient care and has rigorous safety procedures in place," Brownlie said.
UPDATE 7:15 PM EST FRIDAY: A federal judge in Kansas City has blocked the new abortion clinic regulations from taking effect.
Kansas Judge Blocks Abortion Clinic Regs | Mother Jones
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/07/kansas-judge-blocks-abortion-clinic-regs
Quote: A judge in Kansas has blocked the state's strict new regulations on abortion providers from taking effect, a move that will allow all three clinics in the state to continue offering services, the Kansas City Star reports.
On Friday afternoon, U.S District Judge Carlos Murguia granted a request from two clinics—Aid for Women in Kansas City and the Center for Women's Health in Overland Park—to grant temporary relief from the new rules, which took effect July 1. The clinics were denied a license to continue operating after the state issued new rules on June 17 that would have required both clinics to make major changes to their facilities. A third clinic, owned by Planned Parenthood, was granted a license to continue operating on Thursday.
The injunction will remain in place until the court hears the formal challenge to the state's regulations.
"This is a tremendous victory for women in Kansas and against the underhanded efforts of anti-choice politicians to shut down abortion providers in the state," said Center for Reproductive Rights president Nancy Northup, which joined with the clinics in filing the legal challenge to the law, in a statement Friday evening. "The facts were clear—this licensing process had absolutely nothing to do with patient health or safety and everything to do with political shenanigans."
The Kansas legislature passed a new law in April creating a new designation for abortion providers under the state's licensing system, and directed the Department of Health and Environment to issue new rules. The department issued 36-pages of rules on June 17 (though the clinics did not receive copies until June 20), mandating things like the size of waiting and recovery rooms, the number of bathrooms, and the required temperatures for each room in the facility. Clinic owners argued that it was impossible to meet the new standards, given that they were released just two weeks before the clinics were required to comply. Moreover, they argued, the rules had little to do with protecting patients and were designed to shut down the clinics.
This type of law, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or "TRAP" laws, isn't exactly new or unique, but Kansas' would have gone farther than others in actually shutting down abortion providers.
Kate Sheppard covers energy and environmental politics in Mother Jones' Washington bureau. For more of her stories, click here. She Tweets here. Get Kate Sheppard's RSS feed.
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