Is 85 > 90 Kannagi Worth It?

As the title says - I have a level 85 Kannagi, and am wondering if it is worth the trouble to go through the 75 apademak horns trial for 90 Kannagi, for what looks to be an extremely minimal upgrade over the 85. Is there maybe a stronger aftermath effect (higher ODD proc % or something)? At a glance, the caliber of the reward seems far inferior to the difficulty of the trial.

you're going to need to do it before the following two (or more) trials anyways, unless you wish to use a lv85 weapon at 99

yeah i understand this. the dilemma i'm having right now is if I should go for it all-out right now or just casually do it over a few months. if the upgrade from 90-95 is just as underwhelming as the 85-90 upgrade then there doesn't seem to be much urgency in it.

apademak already is an overrated fight; abuse the terrain elevation over by conflux seven, and you could eat fulmination over and over for what it's worth, even more-so with a -magic set

fragments, don't bother buying of course unless you wish to rush it for the sake of it; otherwise, dig up about twenty points of amber and then just kill random things in hope of boxes with it and snow god cores in them

i haven't done my ninety stage yet (busy using this method already for tiger king hides for my hammer), but i've already got four or five sets of dhorme khimaira just sitting around without even breaking a sweat over getting them

Atm it's a small improvement, though 85 users are a dime a dozen, I don't see people with 90 being the majority of owners. Plus when the next trials come out, assuming they're also +3 DMG +5Mod, then you'll be behind by 6 D and 10 Mod, and more after the next trial. I would work on it if you have the time to do so.

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Isn't it presumptuous to assume there will be upgrades after lvl 90 at all?

Not really, I bet all trials will go to 99.

Only as presumptuous as the notion that the cap is being raised to 95-99 in the future.

A better question to ask yourself is "do I really want to be stuck competing with God knows how many people on Apadamak when they introduce the level 95 versions and everyone decides to upgrade at the same time?"

Get the upgrades done now, save yourself an inevitable headache in the future.

I can't quite fathom why people wouldn't want the 90 versions of their Empyreans, really.

I suppose this is a matter of optimism versus pessimism. Without giving leeway to rampant speculation I had assumed they wouldn't surpass 90 to allow dynamis relics the final upper hand.

Furthermore, with the final abyssea expansion already released, they would have to enact a new system post-90.

Well shoot. Earlier when I said I wasn't giving leeway to rampant speculation and whatnot? I was instantly unable to abide my own imaginary guidelines.

I Agree with This Person , HOWEVER , You might want to "WAIT" and See what happens , maybe they Implement new Stuff that makes The Fight a lot Easier :P

^^ Just gotta wait and pray ^^

I Also Got 85 Kannagi , but 75 Horns is WAY too much work at lvl 90

maybe at lvl 95 or 99 it be easier ^^ so I Take the Waiting :P

Old ***becomes old. newer, better things come along, that's how it works.

don't bother

>Implying the fight is even hard.

Not all trials involved abyssea, there were nms and vnms, too

Without it leveling up? goodluck.

I've got my 85 Kannagi but for the moment i'm not too bothered about the 90 version i'm saving up cruor to brew all the horns (atm have 1.2 million cruor) the Lv85 version gives me good enough returns that it isnt the top of my to-do list atm.

Once I get 1.6-2million cruor that'll probably change and i'll brew all my horns quickly.

...with 3 ??? up to spawn the nm...I don't think it'll be that big of an issue.....

Honestly, you can do it pretty quick without brews. In about 2 nights of work, we got Almace 90 with a NIN (Kannagi) WAR (Ukon) WHMx2 and BLM/RDMx2 (RDM/BLM x2 would be the better of the two if your BLMs aren't capped recast) The only situation where we used Brew was when it happened to level up more than 3 times due to carelessness.

almost goes without saying, but if OP has an entire LS full of empy 90s to pressgang into service, why would he even be asking for advice on whether to bother with Kannagi 90?

A Lv85 Ukon and 85 Kannagi isn't really a full linkshell of 90s.

And that response was directed to Fearforever, not the OP, although they're welcome to take that route as well.

your gimp until its 90. Its actually a nice damage increase. I was doing 2-4k on orthus now I do 4-6. I like the upgrade.

It's definitely a viable upgrade and something you should be working towards.

You can easily get in 4 kills with 1 brew just using Blade: Hi, I haven't seen elemental WS's at work on him personally but I don't doubt you could get more in provided you have more people holding the pops for you. Cruor is free, it really wouldn't take long to grab 2 or 3 friends that need Dhorme's seals to hold KIs for you and get it over with. 90 is better than 85, that makes it "worth it" to me. It's been a lot less of a headache than beating competition at Briareus KI NM's and Gukamatz, that's for sure. Dhorme is a pushover, tank from behind and don't stun him. Have a stunner ready to hit Apademak when you pop so he doesn't level himself up and brew away, shouldn't even get off another spell or TP move before it's dead. Lock brew on the chest he drops or another ???, rinse and repeat. Bring a THF to poke them for you if you can. Make sure everyone else is passing your horns while you're locked, or lot quickly while you brew. There's not much else to do with cruor besides brew stuff, you can easily make more gil doing Dynamis than NPCing cruor gear.

No, that's actually not how it works, or they wouldn't have introduced sky/god/einherjar augments, augments to existing relics, and so on. They've already specifically said that relics will be upgraded to be at least on par with empyreans in future updates. The quote is in the relic/mythic topic on the official forums.