personally i dont give a *** about what people say here
if a monk and white mage can duo it, i will find a way to, just to show it can be done
Best Role For Samurai In Abyssea
Best role for Samurai in Abyssea
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
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nin has a good amount of red procs, and with +2 can get even more shadows then ever, sam can hit a few red procs and can still use seigan + utsu if /nin
What is the sam using to keep hate?
talking about fudo sam, when duoing with my whm i never really seem to have hate issues (speaking about orthrus)
I believe tiger's question still stands
Keeping hate off of a whm is hard.
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Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said:
yeah it may not have a critical weaponskill, but using the right atmas, actually having your PDT and MDT gear sets, and knowing what the hell your doing ACTUALLY makes it into a decent job
it has a few shortcomings too, but it has the tools that are needed to actually tank and deal damage
might not be as good as a monk due to HP, well merit your hp, still not enough? get your hp abyssites? still bad? then your obviously doing it wrong
nin has a good amount of red procs, and with +2 can get even more shadows then ever, sam can hit a few red procs and can still use seigan + utsu if /nin
personally, it sounds to me like you just dont like sam in general, and not contributing much to the thread
it has a few shortcomings too, but it has the tools that are needed to actually tank and deal damage
might not be as good as a monk due to HP, well merit your hp, still not enough? get your hp abyssites? still bad? then your obviously doing it wrong
nin has a good amount of red procs, and with +2 can get even more shadows then ever, sam can hit a few red procs and can still use seigan + utsu if /nin
personally, it sounds to me like you just dont like sam in general, and not contributing much to the thread
Play what you want and don't give a ***, but don't imply sam is better than it is.
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Sylph.Krsone said:
Jinpu/Koki and if tp isnt needed for those then Shikikoyo the better dd's.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Play what you want and don't give a ***, but don't imply sam is better than it is.
/thread?
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Sylph.Liltrouble said:
Phoenix.Dramatica said:
SAM just doesn't have any place in abyssea. A masamune sam will be subpar to a gimp nin/mnk/war.
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Look, I am just stating SAM has little use in Abyssea. I mentioned MNK + WHM during blunt for blue proc... Obviously.
Clearly I don't use WHM + MNK for red proc as that would be silly. WAR and NIN instead.
For the thread debate about SAM and it's uses - WHM, MNK, WAR, NIN is all you need for red/blue proc.. Where would a SAM fit in unless your group isn't up to par.
I would like to play SAM but because of the above reason and the damage output, I play WAR instead.
Clearly I don't use WHM + MNK for red proc as that would be silly. WAR and NIN instead.
For the thread debate about SAM and it's uses - WHM, MNK, WAR, NIN is all you need for red/blue proc.. Where would a SAM fit in unless your group isn't up to par.
I would like to play SAM but because of the above reason and the damage output, I play WAR instead.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Play what you want and don't give a ***, but don't imply sam is better than it is.
Bismarck.Aerison said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Play what you want and don't give a ***, but don't imply sam is better than it is.
/thread?
A-f'ing-men
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Aerison said:
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
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nin has a good amount of red procs, and with +2 can get even more shadows then ever, sam can hit a few red procs and can still use seigan + utsu if /nin
What is the sam using to keep hate?
talking about fudo sam, when duoing with my whm i never really seem to have hate issues (speaking about orthrus)
I believe tiger's question still stands
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said:
personally i dont give a *** about what people say here
if a monk and white mage can duo it, i will find a way to, just to show it can be done
if a monk and white mage can duo it, i will find a way to, just to show it can be done
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said:
personally i dont give a *** about what people say here
if a monk and white mage can duo it, i will find a way to, just to show it can be done
if a monk and white mage can duo it, i will find a way to, just to show it can be done
mk
Point still stands that monk and ninja can do it better.
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Brulo isn't hard, and if the MNK can reach lightning resist cap, Apademak can be duo'd.
Yes my point was that mnk can do this fine and sam cannot. WHM with macc atmas/ascetic's can just stun every spell on apademak though. SAM will take too long to kill and it will build resist. I guess sam could probably take brulo as sam/mnk. Only mentioned brulo because it's one of the few physically dangerous monsters in abyssea.
war and nin can do it even better
just saying
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just saying
:D
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I ran Brulo around the zone until it raged. It never landed a hit on my THF. It's not a hard mob to kill, you just need a little healing to offset the spikes.
If MNK can reach Lightning cap, so can SAM. MNK's only benefit would be counter rate and higher evasion - but SAM gets Seigan and Third Eye.
The only reason MNK > SAM is because of blue procs. You could cure bomb a DRK and they'd tank just as well as a MNK. Hell, if a BRD could keep hate, they'd tank just as well as any other job.
If MNK can reach Lightning cap, so can SAM. MNK's only benefit would be counter rate and higher evasion - but SAM gets Seigan and Third Eye.
The only reason MNK > SAM is because of blue procs. You could cure bomb a DRK and they'd tank just as well as a MNK. Hell, if a BRD could keep hate, they'd tank just as well as any other job.
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Cerberus.Tikal said:
I ran Brulo around the zone until it raged. It never landed a hit on my THF. It's not a hard mob to kill, you just need a little healing to offset the spikes.
If MNK can reach Lightning cap, so can SAM. MNK's only benefit would be counter rate and higher evasion - but SAM gets Seigan and Third Eye.
The only reason MNK > SAM is because of blue procs. You could cure bomb a DRK and they'd tank just as well as a MNK. Hell, if a BRD could keep hate, they'd tank just as well as any other job.
If MNK can reach Lightning cap, so can SAM. MNK's only benefit would be counter rate and higher evasion - but SAM gets Seigan and Third Eye.
The only reason MNK > SAM is because of blue procs. You could cure bomb a DRK and they'd tank just as well as a MNK. Hell, if a BRD could keep hate, they'd tank just as well as any other job.
By all means, evasion tank brulo on sam then. Show me some consistent fulm resists with just barthundra(and atma), then I'll believe that's possible. Since when does damage mean nothing? I guess taking twice as long to do things is cool.
Funny how everyone was raving about how awesome SAM was before, then the Zanshin update was announced and it was like "OMG THIS IS FKING AWESOME!!" but now this....wtf happened? lol
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Phoenix.Dramatica said:
By all means, evasion tank brulo on sam then. Show me some consistent fulm resists with just barthundra(and atma), then I'll believe that's possible. Since when does damage mean nothing? I guess taking twice as long to do things is cool.
Point is: Most job combos can kill things. The real reason MNK "shines" is because it has access to most blunt procs for gear drops. In every other situation, MNK WHM duo is inefficient.
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Cerberus.Tikal said:
Phoenix.Dramatica said:
By all means, evasion tank brulo on sam then. Show me some consistent fulm resists with just barthundra(and atma), then I'll believe that's possible. Since when does damage mean nothing? I guess taking twice as long to do things is cool.
Point is: Most job combos can kill things. The real reason MNK "shines" is because it has access to most blunt procs for gear drops. In every other situation, MNK WHM duo is inefficient.
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Bismarck.Faelar said:
Funny how everyone was raving about how awesome SAM was before, then the Zanshin update was announced and it was like "OMG THIS IS FKING AWESOME!!" but now this....wtf happened? lol
74.81% of these ppl didnt even post in my sam zanshin thread! your statement is invalid!
Pardon. I knew I should have right-clicked that red-underline!
MNK is easily the second strongest and the safest DD in abyssea. I don't see where this even turned into a mnk debate, the point is that mnk nin or war are all much better and more efficient than sam in abyssea. MNK is for blues, nin and war are for reds. ***'s situational.
I missed the part where DRK started being a damage dealer and also had an 80% counter rating.
Phoenix.Dramatica said:
Yes my point was that mnk can do this fine and sam cannot.
Sylph.Liltrouble said:
Cerberus.Tikal said:
I ran Brulo around the zone until it raged. It never landed a hit on my THF. It's not a hard mob to kill, you just need a little healing to offset the spikes.
If MNK can reach Lightning cap, so can SAM. MNK's only benefit would be counter rate and higher evasion - but SAM gets Seigan and Third Eye.
The only reason MNK > SAM is because of blue procs. You could cure bomb a DRK and they'd tank just as well as a MNK. Hell, if a BRD could keep hate, they'd tank just as well as any other job.
If MNK can reach Lightning cap, so can SAM. MNK's only benefit would be counter rate and higher evasion - but SAM gets Seigan and Third Eye.
The only reason MNK > SAM is because of blue procs. You could cure bomb a DRK and they'd tank just as well as a MNK. Hell, if a BRD could keep hate, they'd tank just as well as any other job.
WHM curing doesnt create much hate and you can pretty much ride Cure V if you want.
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