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WI Conservative SC Judge Assaults Female Judge
WI Conservative SC Judge Assaults Female Judge
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
idk what their code of ethics are, so I can't answer based on that. Answering based on the law, that's still not illegal, so no.
If you're willing to provide me w/ that job position's code of ethics and/or show where its in violation of anything in it, my answer is subject to change.
If you're willing to provide me w/ that job position's code of ethics and/or show where its in violation of anything in it, my answer is subject to change.
It was in the linked article.
Chapter 60 states that judges are required to “uphold the integrity and independence of the judiciary” and “avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety” in all activities. And Chapter 62 requires judges and other court personnel to “be civil in their dealings with one another” and “abstain from any conduct that may be characterized as uncivil, abrasive, abusive, hostile or obstructive.”
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
idk what their code of ethics are, so I can't answer based on that. Answering based on the law, that's still not illegal, so no.
If you're willing to provide me w/ that job position's code of ethics and/or show where its in violation of anything in it, my answer is subject to change.
If you're willing to provide me w/ that job position's code of ethics and/or show where its in violation of anything in it, my answer is subject to change.
I feel if she violated a rule of her job or a code of ethics that she was subject to, then I would find a problem with it, hence the "my answer is subject to change"
As is now, she's done 0 wrong.
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“uphold the integrity and independence of the judiciary”
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“avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety”
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“be civil in their dealings with one another”
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“abstain from any conduct that may be characterized as uncivil, abrasive, abusive, hostile or obstructive.”
The only thing that is clear is don't cuss, basically. The rest is going to be opinionated based on what each person thinks is "civil, hostile, etc."
so you think it's ok to hit a women if she goads you in to it?
Well, impropriety may be subjective as well.
Diff ppl will have diff views on what is "unacceptable"
There isn't rly anything in there that is clear.
For example
"Don't drive without your seat belt" is very clear.
"Don't drive improperly" is very subjective.
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an unacceptable use of a word or of language
Diff ppl will have diff views on what is "unacceptable"
There isn't rly anything in there that is clear.
For example
"Don't drive without your seat belt" is very clear.
"Don't drive improperly" is very subjective.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
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“uphold the integrity and independence of the judiciary”
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“avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety”
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“be civil in their dealings with one another”
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“abstain from any conduct that may be characterized as uncivil, abrasive, abusive, hostile or obstructive.”
The only thing that is clear is don't cuss, basically. The rest is going to be opinionated based on what each person thinks is "civil, hostile, etc."
If the allegations are true, these are all things that the Wisconsin Judicial Commission will have to decide during the course of their investigation.
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
so you think it's ok to hit a women if she goads you in to it?
Who is this directed at?
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
so you think it's ok to hit a women if she goads you in to it?
I was saying why SHE shouldn't be removed with him. Someone was saying she should have been because she provoked him. I was talking about her being removed, not him. He broke a law. He should be removed.
nvm
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
so you think it's ok to hit a women if she goads you in to it?
Personally I disagree with that. Goading or not this is unacceptable behavior. For a supreme court justice to be so easily angered or manipulated is frightening. What if a plaintiff or a lawyer pisses him off and he chooses to side against them? This man doesn't seem to be in control of his emotions or actions therefore should not be in the position he is in.
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
was @ Kirana
She answered this already.
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
@.Kirana honestly I feel you are very wrong, there is nothing that I or anyone else can SAY that justifies physical violence, other action may justify it at times, defense of one self or others from bodily harm etc..
Calling you names, saying I slept with you brother, father, mother, dog, cat or any other "goading" technique does not justify some one assaulting you or anyone else.
You are blaming a victim, like saying that women wanted to get raped because of the way she was dressed, she was "asking" for it.
Calling you names, saying I slept with you brother, father, mother, dog, cat or any other "goading" technique does not justify some one assaulting you or anyone else.
You are blaming a victim, like saying that women wanted to get raped because of the way she was dressed, she was "asking" for it.
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You are blaming a victim, like saying that women wanted to get raped because of the way she was dressed, she was "asking" for it.
@Kiranas you can say whatever you want to someone even if it has the intent to get someone to do something. He had a choice and he could have walked away but he did not. There is nothing that justifies choking someone for something they say.
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
idk what their code of ethics are, so I can't answer based on that. Answering based on the law, that's still not illegal, so no.
If you're willing to provide me w/ that job position's code of ethics and/or show where its in violation of anything in it, my answer is subject to change.
If you're willing to provide me w/ that job position's code of ethics and/or show where its in violation of anything in it, my answer is subject to change.
I was simply asking Kirana's opinion if it's ok to hit somebody, not just a women, if they "goad" you into it, SO i was asking if it's okay, let's say for instance, that you mother was mouthing off to me and was trying to get me put in jail if i but her in a choke hold?
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
@Kiranas you can say whatever you want to someone even if it has the intent to get someone to do something. He had a choice and he could have walked away but he did not. There is nothing that justifies choking someone for something they say.
Phoenix.Kirana said:
Never did I say that the violence is justified
Am I the only person who can see this post?
It's over shadowed by the blame the victim argument.
Not at all. I saw it many times.
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
let's say for instance, that you mother was mouthing off to me and was trying to get me put in jail if i but her in a choke hold?
There's a defense attorney somewhere that could win a case on it.
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
It's over shadowed by the blame the victim argument.
It looks like the argument was hold the victim accountable for their part in the totality of the circumstances.
SO I should go to jail and their mother should get a fine right?
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
SO I should go to jail and their mother should get a fine right?
I work at Target.
I go out of my way to provoke a customer to punch me.
Should I be fired?
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
SO I should go to jail and their mother should get a fine right?
You're talking legal aspect, I believe Kirana was speaking of sanctions from the ethics committee. As far as what would happen to the mother in your scenario, I doubt there is a system set up in law to punish her actions. It's not illegal to goad someone, and I don't believe anyone has argued that it is.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
SO I should go to jail and their mother should get a fine right?
I work at Target.
I go out of my way to provoke a customer to punch me.
Should I be fired?
Whether you should be or not would likely be irrelevant in your example. You'd probably be fired because they could easily fill your position the next day.
Wenuden said:
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
SO I should go to jail and their mother should get a fine right?
You're talking legal aspect, I believe Kirana was speaking of sanctions from the ethics committee. As far as what would happen to the mother in your scenario, I doubt there is a system set up in law to punish her actions. It's not illegal to goad someone, and I don't believe anyone has argued that it is.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Bahamut.Ilvex said:
SO I should go to jail and their mother should get a fine right?
I work at Target.
I go out of my way to provoke a customer to punch me.
Should I be fired?
Whether you should be or not would likely be irrelevant in your example. You'd probably be fired because they could easily fill your position the next day.
Very few of the companies I've worked for are willing to deal with employees that taunt and mess with their customers. You're likely to get warning if you get a customer complaint. If there is some form of proof you intentionally harassed a customer they'd probably press charges.
lol This is politicsssssssssssssssssssssss
The girl was doing everything in her power to piss him off
Honestly anytime someone undermines your authority "EVEN" if it is justified should warrant the person getting fired
If anyone goes over me at work (Management not HR) and I later find out about it
Your totally fired
Anyways he fell for it and put his hand on her.... The lesson to this is be patient and wait for them to mess up and stab them in the back
Politics / Work is full of drama at times
The girl was doing everything in her power to piss him off
Honestly anytime someone undermines your authority "EVEN" if it is justified should warrant the person getting fired
If anyone goes over me at work (Management not HR) and I later find out about it
Your totally fired
Anyways he fell for it and put his hand on her.... The lesson to this is be patient and wait for them to mess up and stab them in the back
Politics / Work is full of drama at times
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