Hardest Games

I clearly understand what im talking about. 70+ hrs is nothing compared to what you put into FF11. What im saying is if you actually played The 7th Saga as much as you did FF11, you would easily beat this game. I never stated FF11 requires effort. I said if you put the same amount of effort which is how much time you play FF11 into playing The 7th Saga.

Tell me what is so strategic about the game where you defend always then attack after. Boss Battles are not the hard part of this game. Grinding levels can overcome the difficulty because they do not scale in level. Fighting your rivals is the hardest part of this game. They are hard to beat because no matter how many levels you gain they are equal to you in levels when you are fighting them. In fact they are harder to beat the higher you level.

Protip: Don't get RNG screwed on your character and these battles are easy. Example Kamil average stat growth HP 4-6, MP 2-4, Power 2-4, Guard 2-4, Magic 2-4, Speed 2-4. Before you level up save your game and if you get RNG screwed reset and try again. Power and Speed are your 2 best stats. Being able to 1 shot almost everything and with high enough Speed you can even dodge magic attacks.

Say you gained 10 levels with 2 Power and 2 Speed and 10 levels with 3 Power and 3 Speed. That would put you at 50 Power and 50 Speed. Now if you had reset the game and got 4 Power and 4 Speed every level thats 80 Power and 80 Speed for gaining 20 levels. There is a reason why the game sometimes is more difficult because you can get RNG screwed and end up with piss poor stats.


Daemun makes a good point. A good example is R-Type stage 7 continuing at mid point of the stage. You know there is going to be bullet hell coming. Everything you do is based on your reflexes not grinding levels or exploiting bad AI.

I remember playing this game when I was about 6 or 7 years old. At the time, I was able to get to the 5th level (the one with the giant ship) without losing a single turtle. If only I could remember how I did it, i'd gladly share ;_;

City Slickers on the Amstrad CPC.

Goddam Night-thingy would stalk me through every doorway :/

Even if you do lose a turtle or 2 you can rescue them in the 4th level if you know what you're doing

You mean the first fight with Si Ma Yi. (the first time you meet him he sleeps you, and then you learn about the code) Still one of my favorite RPG's. I loved all the characters, only to find them later in the dynasty warriors game.... then i got the book "Three Kingdoms" which is one of my favorite books ever.

The Destiny of an Emperor game was made by Capcom if i'm not mistaken. And Lu Bu was STILL a bad-***.

And further on topic...

7th saga was hard. PS2 Shinobi was also crazy hard (but fun)

I was able to beat Illusion of Gaia (some fights were really darn hard), Mike Tyson's punchout (it took a few YEARS), and Star Tropics. Beating Panzer Dragoon Orta made me a better gamer. Much like Ninja Gaiden 1 for xbox on Master Ninja mode. By the time i beat that, i felt i was a better gamer than i was before.

Games can be difficult for a few reasons... poor programing is one of them. Someone mentioned spellunker for NES... i would also add Sub-Terrania for Genesis

Not necessarily hard, but i could never go through the whole thing without having to restart from a save point :/

Im playing Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty on extreme mode, omigawd I cant beat fatman!

Castlevania: Order of Eclesia is the last game that was really hard that I played. Game has absurd bosses.

Just wait until the Metal Gear RAYs/Solidus.

Are you being sarcastic about OoT being a 70+ hour game? :/

I think OoT has about... 12 hours of gameplay at best, maybe 20 for a total zelda newbie.

I WISH there was a 70+ hour zelda game lol

I watched a friend play Castlevania 1~3 without savestates; needless to say... I can't remember which he had a problem with but I think it was 3. At some point he simply gave up, and he was quite good at it. I have this theory that oldschool NES games are the hardest games ever constructed.

Residten Evil 1 with 12 years PS1
Xenosaga PS1
Koudelka PS1
Illusions of time SNES

oh and not to forget Tetris on Game boy and Blaster Master/Ikarius Warrior on NES