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 Ramuh.Vinvv
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-11 09:35:55
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
People are too focused on perception rather efficiency. The government should not be responsible for individual citizen's regressions. If you don't like the idea of being on welfare, don't be on welfare. People need to take some personal responsibility for themselves as a whole, which has been sorely falling apart the last 40 or so years. I understand the need for some of these government programs, but no one is putting a status on your permanent record if you apply for welfare benefits that you "could be a drug user". It's to ensure safety and lean in an existing government program, which quite frankly, is more often abused than most. This isn't denying said recipients of benefits, it's not profiling. When I work for a company, they aren't profiling me when I take a drug test, they are ensuring a lean company profile.

I largely feel the unemployment rate is simply due to people exploiting unemployment benefits. These aren't the bottom tier people, these are people who work in Silicon Valley, middle class who aren't willing to drop their standard of living. But this drug mandate isn't for unemployment weeding, like I said, I feel it's to reduce unnecessary spending and waste.

Getting a job really isn't hard these days. Getting a job you specifically want, may be. I'm about to attend a private hiring conference this weekend where the applicant/job opportunity ratio is 1 applicant for every 2 jobs, and it's representative of the technical side of careers in the Northeast region of the United States, not specifically where I'm localized. They are there. And yes, I am currently employed as well.

Afghanistan currently has the highest unemployment rate in the world.
Correlation does not imply causation, meaning the existence of those programs doesn't correlate to the reasoning that unemployment exists in this day and age, it existed before welfare and it will continue to exist without it.
You can feel that it is that way, and it may be true to a certain extent.
But in a population so vast that isn't the only excuse.


The war against drugs, which this is a part of is just another extension of the Governmental fear campaign.

Don't do drugs(doesn't matter if it's your time or not) or you'll get drug tested and canned
and then you better stop or you can't get unemployment.
Rather than addressing the people they address the symptoms with that.
Though of course this doesn't really apply to everyone leeching off the system.
you don't have to be a drug addict to leech off the government and this pretty much is just making an example of a specific group that they can easily identify getting railed.
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By Phoenix.Mogue 2011-06-11 09:38:07
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
ITT: Drug tests are hard to beat
This.

All this accomplishes is enriching the multi-billion dollar drug testing industry and the multi-million dollar drug test beating/fooling industry.

If you honestly believe this will change anyone's daily behavior you're a fool.

Hair test analysis is ridiculously expensive. Might as well spinal tap people.
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By Phoenix.Mogue 2011-06-11 09:54:35
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Bismarck.Nevill said:
Siren.Entrerie said:
I say *** YEAH bout mother F$%king time lol. NOW NYS GET YOUR ***TOGETHER AND JOIN THE CAUSE..........44 billion on medicaid alone last year. HEAD OUT OF ***

Medicaid does not equal welfare.
it does if you listen to the right wing noise machine.

YEAAAGHHH BRO LETS LEAVE TEH DISABLEDS TO FEND FER DEMSELVES!!! BETTAR YET THROW EM IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS LIKE DEM GERMANZS DID!!! WHOHHOOOOOOOO!
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-11 10:00:41
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Phoenix.Mogue said:
Bismarck.Nevill said:
Siren.Entrerie said:
I say *** YEAH bout mother F$%king time lol. NOW NYS GET YOUR ***TOGETHER AND JOIN THE CAUSE..........44 billion on medicaid alone last year. HEAD OUT OF ***

Medicaid does not equal welfare.
it does if you listen to the right wing noise machine.

YEAAAGHHH BRO LETS LEAVE TEH DISABLEDS TO FEND FER DEMSELVES!!! BETTAR YET THROW EM IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS LIKE DEM GERMANZS DID!!! WHOHHOOOOOOOO!
what are you doing in a thread like this derf?
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By Phoenix.Mogue 2011-06-11 10:01:55
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thankfully, derf is a liberal. you know, free love and all that.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-11 10:10:20
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Asura.Catastrophe said:
People are too focused on perception rather efficiency. The government should not be responsible for individual citizen's regressions. If you don't like the idea of being on welfare, don't be on welfare. People need to take some personal responsibility for themselves as a whole, which has been sorely falling apart the last 40 or so years. I understand the need for some of these government programs, but no one is putting a status on your permanent record if you apply for welfare benefits that you "could be a drug user". It's to ensure safety and lean in an existing government program, which quite frankly, is more often abused than most. This isn't denying said recipients of benefits, it's not profiling. When I work for a company, they aren't profiling me when I take a drug test, they are ensuring a lean company profile.

I largely feel the unemployment rate is simply due to people exploiting unemployment benefits. These aren't the bottom tier people, these are people who work in Silicon Valley, middle class who aren't willing to drop their standard of living. But this drug mandate isn't for unemployment weeding, like I said, I feel it's to reduce unnecessary spending and waste.

Getting a job really isn't hard these days. Getting a job you specifically want, may be. I'm about to attend a private hiring conference this weekend where the applicant/job opportunity ratio is 1 applicant for every 2 jobs, and it's representative of the technical side of careers in the Northeast region of the United States, not specifically where I'm localized. They are there. And yes, I am currently employed as well.

Afghanistan currently has the highest unemployment rate in the world.
Correlation does not imply causation, meaning the existence of those programs doesn't correlate to the reasoning that unemployment exists in this day and age, it existed before welfare and it will continue to exist without it.
You can feel that it is that way, and it may be true to a certain extent.
But in a population so vast that isn't the only excuse.


The war against drugs, which this is a part of is just another extension of the Governmental fear campaign.

Don't do drugs(doesn't matter if it's your time or not) or you'll get drug tested and canned
and then you better stop or you can't get unemployment.
Rather than addressing the people they address the symptoms with that.
Though of course this doesn't really apply to everyone leeching off the system.
you don't have to be a drug addict to leech off the government and this pretty much is just making an example of a specific group that they can easily identify getting railed.

I just meant that on tiered unemployment benefit income, there's no advantage to downsize standards of living and work if your unemployment income makes up that downsize. I feel it's a more program specific cause.

I do agree on this drug ideology, however it is pretty apparent when it comes to high technical and precision based careers that anything under the influence without high cognizant focus in necessary for safe and efficient operations. Granted, this doesn't have anything to do with welfare system, it's the culture shift to this acceptance as we technologically progress. There's never anything negative about being sober (insert reality joke here), and you are right to a degree I feel idealistically, but I don't feel it's conducive, nor efficient to consider in leaning this program to those who do abuse it. Those who do have to be drug tested have nothing to lose, much like how some states automatically attribute a DWI/DUI if you refuse to take sobriety tests when driving.

How does all that connect with this:

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I largely feel the unemployment rate is simply due to people exploiting unemployment benefits.

unemployment rate isn't proportional to unemployment programs.

now sure I can agree with ya past that.
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By Shiva.Ergiyios 2011-06-11 17:11:29
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Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Shiva.Ergiyios said:
It's not hard to stay clean for 30-45 days prior to applying for these benefits. Who's to say they just start back up after they get approval. Weed being the only "drug" that stays in your system for 30-45 days depending on frequency, they'll be approving the people who are the real drain (coke, heroin, meth, etc. etc.). These more hardcore drugs only stay in the system half the time... Tho they will be rejecting the people who have no control and can't stop period.

I honestly don't know what to think about this...


You obviously have never seen hardcore addicts (which this is targeting) have you?

They can't go more then probably a day or two before needing a fix before they go crazy.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-12 17:39:05
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Shiva.Ergiyios said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Shiva.Ergiyios said:
It's not hard to stay clean for 30-45 days prior to applying for these benefits. Who's to say they just start back up after they get approval. Weed being the only "drug" that stays in your system for 30-45 days depending on frequency, they'll be approving the people who are the real drain (coke, heroin, meth, etc. etc.). These more hardcore drugs only stay in the system half the time... Tho they will be rejecting the people who have no control and can't stop period.

I honestly don't know what to think about this...


You obviously have never seen hardcore addicts (which this is targeting) have you?

They can't go more then probably a day or two before needing a fix before they go crazy.
a close friend fought with the grips of heroin addiction.
what is he now?
not a heroin addict.
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