Ebisu Fishing Rod = Relic

I've suggested adding it with no achievement points added and Jaerik said he's considering it. How could anyone complain about that when its already worth 0 and most of us just want recognition for our achievement regardless of point value. It is important to the people who sought to get it and succeeded.

+1 sir

Also made me lol.

Im glad they took off Maats Cap as an achievement tbh. I could argue that Ebisu should be added at least for recognition, but considering all possible factors, I can't see them adding points for it. I've legitly tried fishing on both my main and my cooking mule (mines lol11, while I got up to ~35 on my mule, TONS of time for sure) The fatigue system really has changed things for legitimate fishers

it took me about 3 weeks. i sure did.

that said, people already get points for fishing, so awarding points for fishing skill is completely moot and i think it would be silly to say that people should get "extra points" for eisbu because they had to level fishing to do it

i'm talking about the rod itself, which i think does deserve poionts(though just an icon would be better than nothing)

someone said earlier that it's harder to get an eisbu without a bot than it is to go from 1-90 without a bot.

let me take that a couple steps further. ask any eisbu holder on these boards. it is far, far harder to get an eisbu WITH a bot than it is to take even several jobs from 1-90 WITHOUT a bot.


that holds true even if you go 1/1 on both KIs, assuming you don't want to risk ban by fishing stuff you obviously shouldn't be able to pull up

These people are haters. So what people bot fishing, people bot everything in this game, most of the top players as far as rank on here goes bot out in the open, should they have there rank dumbed down because of it? Or should there relics not count because of it? Don't get me wrong, it sucks. But people will always find a way to cheat. Honestly, Ebisu is hard to get, harder than most emp. weapons. The list for the holders proves that. The weapons are still kinda new and so many of them have been finished. Check how many staffs and clubs were done that nobody needs. Many people have more than one of them. I say add it to the list.

lol I don't have enough time to play this game I wouldn't waste my time fishing or synthing :)

All higher lvl skilling up on anything is rare and take a long time.

Whens the last time you ever sat down and just spammed spells for skill ups for hours? I can garuntee you even before the patch you would've skilled up faster than you would've on fishing for most the ranges of fishing. At the end last time getting to 100 I was getting around +.1 every 5 or 6 hours at 90+ of non stop solid fishing.

I've never not gotten less than 1 lvl an hour on any skill other than parrying/shield/gaurd on any job related skill when I went out to lvl it up

Hey I'm working on club D: don't hate

ie you admit it takes a long *** time

then maybe you should go make a new thread about eliminating achievement points altogether

that isn't what we are discussing here and i'm pretty confident it's not even on the table

If sev can cap fishing in 3 weeks with a bot then so can I, so can anyone.


Just like maat's cap used to be hella hard to get it's now easy. I'm not saying it's "easy" to get the fishing rod or that you can do it in 3 weeks but I don't agree with adding it as a relic.

If you want to add in a graphic showing off that you own one than sure I'll support that but I think you will open flood gates in doing so, I would think if you add that graphic then you should also add a graphic for Maat's cap back in for the ones that took the time to get it. (inb4omgigotmymaatcapbeforeeasymode) You will definitely get a long list of items people will want pictures of and before you know it ffxiah.com profiles will be as silly as myspace crap.

I think the whole system is just stupid personally, arguing about having something or not having something being added just seems like a waste of effort and time.



Well, I just don't feel like using a bot personally and the time I do get to play the game I have enough stuff to keep me busy trying to catch up so synthing and fishing doesn't interest me. I tried it back on ps2 in 2004 when I had more free time it was boring as hell.

I dont hate but it just goes to show how low task these are. People are willing to take time to farm a staff and club for people. For a WHM and a BLM to melee with? I used to melee on WHM and it was a lot of fun, but not used enough to waste my friends time on farming items for it. I has a mythic club - Yagrush, but it's not used to hit anything cept for when it's the trial. Because I feel that way shouldn't hinder anyone's decision on building it. Simply how I feel. Enjoy your club^^

thanks for taking it out of context

i think the fact that i looked into getting eisbu, saw what it would take, and decided not to do it supports the pro eisbu side a lot more than the anti-eisbu side

how long getting fishing 100 takes is separate from getting the rod



again, go make a thread about THAT then, and see how much support you get. not what's being discussed here.

Being able to bot fishing to 100 in 3 weeks is probably 20 days faster than it would take to bot a craft to 100.

if you remove all supporting arguments, this is what 95% of threads boil down to.

yeah based off of this argument i don't think job levels or fishing skill should be worth any achievement points

you can technically skill up crafting with a bot if you want to so those shouldn't give any points, it may cost money but people can fund their crafting by fish botting so it shouldnt be worth any points

I took bonecraft from 0-70 in 1 week legitly while watching an entire Season of House.

yeah, 3 weeks is 2 weeks and 6 days longer than it would take me to bot up any other craft to 100

Also I really want to know how he did it so fast. Just 90-100 took like 2 weeks last time I did it. And for most lvls both times I've gotten to 100 only averaged 1.5-2 lvls a day fishing without ring to full fatigue each day.

actually, now that i think about it, ammendum.

it took me almost a month to fish up lu shangs for sev before i started skilling him in earnest, though technically that could have been accomplished through other means

i bought my other lu's from sev's fishing proceeds

sorry for the fuzziness, it was a long time ago

Fishing during full moon on windsday facing SE while barspells on and had a windstaff... oh wait...

Watersday with a Water Staff D:

Or just do it pre-fatigue days!!! Even better pre fishing minigame days.

call me old fashioned but..


when I play a game, I want to have fun playing it. synthing and fishing is not fun to me.

when I play a game, I actually want to play it. I want to control most of if not everything my character does. To me botting whether it's synthing, fishing, curing, DDing seems like a waste of time and effort. I don't care about a game enough to use one it's not like I'm making a living from this game I just like playing when I have free time to do so. To me spellcast is similar to botting it takes the fun out making so many aspects of the game that automated I feel like I would be better off just playing another game.

when I play a game, I want to actually be there rather than run some automated ***for me to come back to.


I see so many people talking about botting on these forums with intimate knowledge about the applications or constantly putting things into botting perspective with statements like "oh well you could just bot that" or "people are always botting this way and that way" It's just kind of sad to see what the game has become, people complain about the game being too easy now with Abyssea and that being sad, it's more sad to me that apparently half the people who play this game don't even actually play it.

I'm not trying to say anyone who bots is evil and I'm better than you inb4Tweekissomoral.. I'm just saying to me it's stupid how much time people spend setting things up in this game to automate everything they do in the game.


/semi off topic rant

can we PLEASE not have this discussion for the billionth time

this has been a decent, semi-civil thread up until this point

if you really and truly feel the need to argue about it, go bump an old wiz thread or something, not that i'll be joining the discussion, as my views have already been made exceedingly clear

Yeah but I fish to make money to have more fun in the game. It's no fun not being able to fight mobXXX because you get resisted everytime or can't hit it etc

That is for you, not for everyone.

Then don't bot...

Personal opinion. It makes jobs stronger eliminating the human response and program downfalls.

Again, just don't bot.

Some people enjoy the game more boting. That is their choice and their character to risk. Yes it sort of ruins it for the rest of us but you don't have to bot. Many fishers including myself enjoy fishing without boting and if you don't like fishing, then you don't like fishing. Simple as that and doesn't mean everyone is a bot when they fish.

It's nearly impossible to have a discussion about fishing without fish botting being brought up due to the sheer number of people who do bot while fishing.

When fish botting is brought up all the people who fish (fish botters included) bring up the fact that people bot in other areas of the game.

this topic was doomed @ it's creation like many have pointed out with where the admins currently stand.

Your the only one talking about bots and not letting it go. Just leave this topic and the discussion will continue as it should.