Asura.Bartimaeus said:
BBB would be too nice and understanding, and apparently those are the things we didn't lack in moderation. Thus the situation. lol
aha! then make elana one!
A Modest Proposal
A Modest Proposal
aha! then make elana one!
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I think Bart would make a good mod, or Stefanos, maybe Nighfyre, too. I'm sure there are others that I can't think of right now.
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fairy.Spence said:
I think Bart would make a good mod, or Stefanos, maybe Nighfyre, too. I'm sure there are others that I can't think of right now.
I would make a good mod. All I have to do is try.
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Fairy.Spence said:
I think Bart would make a good mod, or Stefanos, maybe Nighfyre, too. I'm sure there are others that I can't think of right now.
NO.
I like Bart, Stefanos and Nightfyre and I don't want to stick it to them.
Incidentally, we've gotten over $250 in donations just today.
You guys didn't have to do that, but it's definitely appreciated and we certainly won't turn it down. Thanks.
You guys didn't have to do that, but it's definitely appreciated and we certainly won't turn it down. Thanks.
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Thats impressive.
We look for a few things in potential moderators:
- Consistency in behavior. I don't want to give you powers and have you suddenly turn into a different person on me.
- No tendency towards cliqueishness. If you're a popular kid who runs with one small group and has a history of treating certain folks better than others, I can't assume you'll change once I give you more responsibility.
- Good judgment. If you've got a history of warnings, temp bans, topic bans, or other examples of you failing to exercise good judgment in what you say and to whom, you're pretty much disqualified.
- Maturity. Being a moderator is not fun. You will no longer be allowed to participate in normal forum discussion and can't have friends.
If you appear to be wanting to be a mod to be a "normal user plus additional coolness," that expresses you're probably not ready and/or don't understand what would be asked of you.
(Edit: You may disagree that some of those we promoted to moderator satisfy these conditions, but we don't take into consideration the opinion of other users when trying to decide.)
- Consistency in behavior. I don't want to give you powers and have you suddenly turn into a different person on me.
- No tendency towards cliqueishness. If you're a popular kid who runs with one small group and has a history of treating certain folks better than others, I can't assume you'll change once I give you more responsibility.
- Good judgment. If you've got a history of warnings, temp bans, topic bans, or other examples of you failing to exercise good judgment in what you say and to whom, you're pretty much disqualified.
- Maturity. Being a moderator is not fun. You will no longer be allowed to participate in normal forum discussion and can't have friends.
If you appear to be wanting to be a mod to be a "normal user plus additional coolness," that expresses you're probably not ready and/or don't understand what would be asked of you.
(Edit: You may disagree that some of those we promoted to moderator satisfy these conditions, but we don't take into consideration the opinion of other users when trying to decide.)
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I always kind of felt like there needed to be a little bit more support, because not all the mods can be on at the same time and having a couple more would help lighten the load.
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i wouldnt want to be a mod, i dont think i could handle the responsibility =/
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Incidentally, we've gotten over $250 in donations just today.
You guys didn't have to do that, but it's definitely appreciated and we certainly won't turn it down. Thanks.
You guys didn't have to do that, but it's definitely appreciated and we certainly won't turn it down. Thanks.
Everyones' donations are greatly appreciated. I just donated myself.
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So, what is the average amount to run this site per month? Just curious.
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
page that no one seems to visit anymore: "Our current hosting expense is $820/month."
zahrah said:
So, what is the average amount to run this site per month? Just curious.
zahrah said:
So, what is the average amount to run this site per month? Just curious.
Ramuh.Krizz said:
zahrah said:
So, what is the average amount to run this site per month? Just curious.
Ramuh.Krizz said:
zahrah said:
So, what is the average amount to run this site per month? Just curious.
That's discouraging, but it seems like there is already some progress, as far as people's behavior, just in the past day.
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
In a nutshell: we need off-topic (i.e. not just FFXI/XIV) forum participation in order to drive enough impression traffic to support the rest of the site. The question we're wrestling with is how much.
I really enjoy this site and it's been really helpful over the years. I hope this helps a bit...
There do seem to be other options than simply "turning up" the moderation level, I would guess.
To put this in perspective, I remember Jaerik once stating in a post somewhere (of course I can't find it now) that forum users account for roughly 1%-4% of site traffic, in terms of unique hits I think the metric was?
The fact that a decided minority of posters within that set of users(regular/casual/lurker/whatever) can endanger the revenue stream for the entire site (forum users and that majority that use the ffxiah.com AH DB of items and transactions) is a bit alarming, for sure. So I do understand Jaerik and Scragg's need to necessarily protect the site's future over individual "forum user liberty."
That being said, because the forum is that much a minority of traffic, perhaps there can just be an "access wall" type segregation from the normal site that would appease Google's marketing/policy people. Setting it so that there is some user-validation to enter the forums (with some mandatory disclaimer or warning or such with a YES/NO navigation thing) would technically isolate it from the regular traffic, even if the links to the forum on the main page are maintained (or removed.)
Thus the forum still gets as much use as it did because forum users wouldn't mind going extra steps to access it, and would have the same amount of ad-revenue hits from usage, and users could still be free to participate "candidly" (some would call it flaming/trolling), but the "questionable portion" is isolated from casual site traffic.
That sort of 'segregation' by site architecture, coupled with other Scragg-created global features like profanity filters as good-faith measures, might be enough to make Google satisfied again...given that trying to "prove" that heavier levels of moderation are in effect and are making a difference is somewhat subjective and hard to do.
TLDR (cause I roll like dat): Perhaps separating the forum portion from the main site, since that is the source of the issue, with additional navigational steps might be enough to convince Google to stay on, since changes of that nature are more easily demonstrated than "users are now behaving better...honest."
To put this in perspective, I remember Jaerik once stating in a post somewhere (of course I can't find it now) that forum users account for roughly 1%-4% of site traffic, in terms of unique hits I think the metric was?
The fact that a decided minority of posters within that set of users(regular/casual/lurker/whatever) can endanger the revenue stream for the entire site (forum users and that majority that use the ffxiah.com AH DB of items and transactions) is a bit alarming, for sure. So I do understand Jaerik and Scragg's need to necessarily protect the site's future over individual "forum user liberty."
That being said, because the forum is that much a minority of traffic, perhaps there can just be an "access wall" type segregation from the normal site that would appease Google's marketing/policy people. Setting it so that there is some user-validation to enter the forums (with some mandatory disclaimer or warning or such with a YES/NO navigation thing) would technically isolate it from the regular traffic, even if the links to the forum on the main page are maintained (or removed.)
Thus the forum still gets as much use as it did because forum users wouldn't mind going extra steps to access it, and would have the same amount of ad-revenue hits from usage, and users could still be free to participate "candidly" (some would call it flaming/trolling), but the "questionable portion" is isolated from casual site traffic.
That sort of 'segregation' by site architecture, coupled with other Scragg-created global features like profanity filters as good-faith measures, might be enough to make Google satisfied again...given that trying to "prove" that heavier levels of moderation are in effect and are making a difference is somewhat subjective and hard to do.
TLDR (cause I roll like dat): Perhaps separating the forum portion from the main site, since that is the source of the issue, with additional navigational steps might be enough to convince Google to stay on, since changes of that nature are more easily demonstrated than "users are now behaving better...honest."
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Forum traffic has increased quite a bit relative to other site traffic as FFXI has tapered off and XIV mostly bombed. It's definitely an important part of the community to preserve as a core feature.
I am still genuinely curious as to what could be so distasteful that GoogleAds got butthurt. They're not exactly a shining beacon discernment, allowing malware/virus laced ads to be propagated through their ad distribution service with nary a tip of the multi-billion dollar hat.
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
I am still genuinely curious as to what could be so distasteful that GoogleAds got butthurt. They're not exactly a shining beacon discernment, allowing malware/virus laced ads to be propagated through their ad distribution service with nary a tip of the multi-billion dollar hat.
Don't forget that they advertise Evony too.
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He said earlier that the traffic from the off topic portion alone is essential to keeping the site running.
I think you're confusing statistics. maybe 4% of users actually post, that still seems kind of low but even if that's true, that's different from 4% of the users using the forums. a large part of the forum user don't actually post.
Also keep in mind that AH users probably spend very little time using AH, they're in, browse a few pages and done. It means they generate less traffic individually but also they also encounter less adds.
I think you're confusing statistics. maybe 4% of users actually post, that still seems kind of low but even if that's true, that's different from 4% of the users using the forums. a large part of the forum user don't actually post.
Also keep in mind that AH users probably spend very little time using AH, they're in, browse a few pages and done. It means they generate less traffic individually but also they also encounter less adds.
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