Ok Crafting Directions Confusion

Not to say i'm confused, i'm very much a follower of what I assumed is the standard belief with crafting results (eg with a fire crystal face NW for NQ and W for HQ).

However today I was speaking with someone who believed the following chart: Here.

Now this occured because we were talking on vent and someone asked which way he was meant to face for HQs so the arguing started so I'd like to open it to you guys to set the record straight because basically neither side would budge in their belief of how it worked.

The current belief is people who believe in this stuff are silly. The only thing that has been proven to increase your crafting results is skill. Everything else is placebo.

I made an entirely new compass, I was getting the desired results with it more often, numbers for numbers. It wasn't a lot of synths, like 300 for each just to see if there was anything to it at all, was going to do a much higher test.

I don't have it anymore, all I remember is the elements were completely switched around, I just don't know which way.. I think Wind is East according to the standard model, well on mine, Earth or Ice was East, but like I said I don't remember which way they were switched, but pretty sure the standard model's element would be replaced by the one that is weak to it (in this case, Earth would replace Wind).

Either way, once I switched around the compass and started getting better results with my own, I stopped believing in that ***so much..

There's still a lot of debate over it. I personally have had much better luck using the first example myself. It could also be coincidence.

The thing is, I can't say for sure about direction but I do believe in moon phase and day, someone did a fair amount of research on it (I think it was a sample size of 300), basically experimented with his research and tried it out myself and it seemed to work.

Low moon phase and darksday/weak day seems to get me more skill ups and HQ.

Oh I definitely agree that moon and day seem to have an affect as well.

With how hard/expensive it is to get from 70 to 100 on some crafts, I'm not surprised people have been desperately trying to find anything that will let them get the targeted result more often..

Kinda *** up that 80/90-100 can easily end up costing you what it took to get from 0-80/90.

I'm still procrastinating about pushing clothcraft to 100...but with the new lvl cap I might not have a choice.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/57123-Before-you-ask-a-stupid-crafting-question-read-this!


Ever since I read this thread I stopped believing in anything with direction days or moon phase, I HQ just as much, skill up just as much and break just as much as before, you can believe in anything you want but there is no solid proof at all that any of the above effect the results of crafting. good luck~

This^

I've got over 1200 crafting levels under my belt and many synths besides. Crafting directions, in my crafter's opinion, is worthless. Day of the week matters, moonphase matters, crafting compass is nil. Now, I still USE one because I hold to silly superstitions and it makes me a hypocrite... BUT... rationality over psuedo-science, spin and pick a direction, it'll have the same effect as a planned one.

Yet there is still no hard evidence to back this up.

I really don't understand why people fight so hard against direction.. I mean, what is it really hurting you if anyone believes it? So what if they're (in your opinion, as I've seen this expressed by many non-believers) perpetuating stupidity, what does it really matter to you?

It takes all of 2 seconds to orientate oneself in a given direction before crafting, if there's nothing to it, then their direction won't make a difference on break/success, which in turn won't affect the global price of an item, so how is it really hurting you?

Let people believe what they want to believe.. I mean, I've never actually seen or heard of anyone telling someone at the craps table that "having someone blow on the dice is a complete fantasy, it does nothing".. Have you? If you look hard enough, everyone probably has some superstition they follow, including those who berate others for theirs on crafting.

I speak from both sides of course, I USED to believe all of that actually had some base of truth, but after testing and fiddling with things, I found I actually had better luck (statistically, and notice I call it luck) using a completely different system. So I used it.. It's not hurting anything to use the system, at worst, I'm wasting all of what? 2 seconds out of an hour's worth of synthing orientating myself, if it doesn't help oh well, but isn't the off chance there's actually something to it, worth the couple of seconds to face that way? What did you actually lose in those 2 seconds? Nothing.. So if you lost nothing, but gain nothing, what's the difference?

i bet this is based on this npc and his chart:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Villion

same slip, i pretty much go with what works for me...really only thing i hate is when im crafting a level 20ish or lower synth i break and lose all mats when im at 98 skill shouldnt it be like automatic success...

Direction is a lie imo.

To be honest, if I want to craft something, I'm going to craft it there and now and not waste my time finding the perfect day and what not. There's not enough time in the day to schedule myself along crafting dates.

I remember there being an interview between SE and someone...

SquareEnix responded saying they wouldn't deny that it isn't certain but you can face that way if you want.

I tried to find the link but it was lost somewhere~ maybe 3-4 years back?

People can believe what ever they want however until someone can provide evidence of extensive testing and result to prove anything, there is just no way that you can say that any certain direction, day or moonphase will affect a craft in any way, I'm fairly sure that the reason the thread was started, is someone wanted information and we're giving them said info, no one is hating on other people's beliefs.

The only actual "proof" and not hearsay for time/day/etc having an effect on crafting is fishing, which is not only verified by several NPCs but was written in the lolBrady Guide itself.

Specifically:

Some fish are easier to catch during certain times of day (later we have found that eel type fish prefer nighttime/duskdawn, while shallow water fish prefer the middle of the day)

Rain/lightning/wind improve bite rates (there's an NPC somewhere that straight up says this too, can't remember where they are, I think they're a galka in one of the port towns?) Also confirmed in Brady Guide.

Full/New moon improve bite rates significantly. Also confirmed in brady guide.

And finally; fish are more willing to bite live bait over consumables over lures. The downside to lures then is lower bite rates, as any fisher will agree with.

As for crafting? Well all of that above combined with the fact it takes me half a second to face the right direction, if SE really put that much time and effort into making fishing so complicated, why not crafting too?

It doesn't seem like much of a stretch, so I take the time and do it.

I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS.

or since there is no way to prove it other than anecdotal evidence, you could actually be facing the wrong way!!! so you're fubar'd no matter what you do. close your eyes spin around and pray. i actually use the directions in game for crafting, but i hate when people try to defend it on forums.

Why are you bumping old threads?

i dunno, but it's awful and i hope he gets a ban slap.

answered threads at that

Ugh.

The direction one faces has no effect on the results of synthesis.

I don't know how such a ridiculous idea ever got started ... but what's worse is how such a ridiculous idea perseveres. ...


Reminds me of Creationism.

y u trollin?

Seems legit to me. I was messing around with Behemoth Rings earlier, and I saw that I was doing these on Iceday...Got 3 HQ Rings. Furnishing has something to do with it as well.

nice necro