Fitness And Nutrition General

Since we're posting stacks diet info. Here is mine.

CVS Men's Multivitamin
Fish Oil 1400mg
Vitamin C 1000mg
JACK3D (original formula)
Optimum Nutrition Whey Gold Standard
Creature Creatine
Scivation Xtend BCAA's

Breakfast:
Plain Oatmeal with a spoon of peanut butter(sugar free and organic).
Multivitamin

Preworkout:
No pre-workout meal b/c of my BCAAs
Jack3d. 15 mins before my workout
Vitamin C 1000mg

Intra-workout:
Xtend BCAAs

Post workout:
50g of whey protein + 5g of creatine
Vitamin C 1000mg

2hours later:
Subway: foot long Chicken breast/spinach/black olives/mustard/wheat bread/american cheese

1-2hrs later:
Whey shake with 25g of protein or whatever it takes to get me to my 150lbs of protein goal. I mix it in with raspberries, skim milk, ice.
Vitamin C 1000mg

before bed:
BCAA+fish oil + vitamin C

I don't have a lot of time to cook so I usually have to eat Subway or Lean Cuisine(gag). I wish my schedule would permit me to eat better but this seems to be working for me atm.

Peter Citera.

Laugh all you want, but I never forget about everyone else or push through like I do with Chicago.

Good stuff - Jack3d is pretty good pre-workout but I've started to try and avoid stimulant based pre-workout drinks. Not a fan of subway meat only because I'm nervous about the quality of meat when someone sells me 8 oz. of chicken for less then $5 bucks; all that bread too, not a fan. If you have to do something quickly for lunch, try Chipoltle; I'm not saying it's much better for you then subway, but at least you can eat beans as your carb instead of bread in the form of a burrito bowl; mixed up right these things are quite tasty.

Also for protein, might I suggest trying for pre workout something like MHP problic SR; this thing gives short term monster results if you're trying to bulk up. Follow your workout with MHP Dark matter - this ***is expensive but seriously, result city. Anyone looking to bulk up should consider these products. The prices are cheapest on bodybuilding.com. Anywhere else and you're paying way too much.

I use jack3d micro - it was about the only thing I could find with citruline in it. It is a little heavy on the caffeine though and can cause some nausea.

I used to use CLA regularly and it works great for fat loss but awhile ago there was a study that showed it to have a negative effect on either cholesterol and/or triglycerides (I forget exactly), so i nixed that.


As for subway, it can be a lot of carbs, but remember you can turn any sub into a salad pretty much, or just order a 6 inch with double meat.

Man I cant wait to start bulking up next week. Gonna live on potatoes,orange juice (my preferred brand is low in sugar,low in carbs but high in calories) and random other crap,and cant *** wait to knock back my energy drinks :Q

I like 1/2 gomad but I have to buy lactose-free to avoid unwanted turbulence.

Whats that?

Starting this today for you know whats and giggles.

Arnold Schwazenegger Workout

Complex carbs are complex carbs, doesn't matter if they come from black beans or whole wheat bread. I find that if I eat too few carbs I have problems meeting my lift goals the following week and becoming fatigued post-workout. But again, everyone's metabolism is different.

Looking at the ingredients of MHP Dark Matter it looks similar to Gaspari Size-On and iForce Compete minus the Vitamin B mixture. They are basically, mild stimulants, BCAAs, whey isolate and Vitamin B mixture(MHP doesn't have this).

I personally like to do a workout on an empty b/c for me I see leaner gains. I know guys who do the whole SizeOn/Iforce + USPLabs BCAAs/ScivationXtend but that's already too much $$$ on supplements for my tastes.

That's very good, but very advanced. You would need a near perfect diet and some other "supplements" to be able to pull that off.

Well he's already admitted to using steroids so makes sense :P

Most people probably never heard of Chimesy Williams. He was one of the strongest people to ever live. I found his workout and I thought I'd post it for the lulz because it is ridiculous.

The Scranton Superman's Workout

"GOMAD" is Gallon Of Milk A Day. Arguably the easiest and most time-honored way for dudes playing with barbells to get big, but it's a pretty surefire way to put on a lot of unnecessary fat really fast so I prefer 1/2 to maintain a solid caloric surplus without overdoing it too much.

As a dude who lived most of my adult life in twig mode, eating is not something that comes easy to me so eating has often been harder for me than just doing my lifts. Milk helps me add calories without fussing with recipes or food prep or cleaning-- just pour it in a glass and drink. I'd also rather drink milk than any sort of weight gainer shakes which are usually just loaded with sugar in one form or another.

Dark matter is post workout, not pre-workout. It has the carb-to-protein ratio that works incredibly well for fast absorbing protein/amino acids and creatine. Look again.

Also, while whole wheat bread is better then say, white wonder bread, I prefer non-processed, whole foods over processed foods like bread when it comes to addressing healthy eating; that's the only reason I suggested it. The bread at Subway I'm sure has been processed 1000 times; check the ingrediants of their 9-grain wheat bread:

9-GRAIN WHEAT: Enriched wheat flour (wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron, thiamine
mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, yeast, whole wheat flour, sugar, contains 2% or less of the
following: wheat gluten, oat fiber, soybean oil, wheat bran, salt, wheat, rye, yellow corn, oats, triticale,
brown rice, barley, flaxseed, millet, sorghum, yeast nutrients (calcium carbonate, calcium sulfate,
ammonium sulfate), vitamin D2, dough conditioners (DATEM, sodium stearoyl lactylate, potassium
iodate, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide), caramel color, refinery syrup, honey, yeast extract, natural
flavor, enzymes. Contains wheat.

WTF??????????????

Chipoltle Black beans ingrediants:

Black beans

Unless you have a specific reason to avoid any of those things, it's not going to hurt you

Processing is a buzzword, and encompasses an unlimited number of meanings- most of which are completely harmless

Avoid Subway because it's horrible, and because Chipoltle is the only reason I can never fully dismiss the idea of a sympathetic higher power

Look at the ingredients of SizeOn they are near identical. SizeOn also has creatine. Gaspari Nutrition: SizeOn Maximum Performance The manufacturers are just labeling them differently...
But anyways lol. I'll keep reading into it. My friend takes SizeOn type products I'm right now reading the bb forums about the differences. EDIT: It looks like People take both actually Dark Matter or SizeOn Max performance for a bulk?

So long as HFCS isn't listed as thats all that matters to me. Also check out the sodium content of the black beans at Chipotle they are adding extra salt.

Again if you're putting out the workout. You should be able to handle the extra carbs.

The chemistry involved in HFCS lends to the fact that there's never been a proven causal relationship between it and any specific issue

Regardless, most buzzfoods containing simple carbohydrates end up with a chemical composition identical to HFCS by the time they enter your body

Limit HFCS and "safer" caloric sweeteners because of the diarbeetous, not because one's inexplicably eviler

This Alan Aragon post summarizes my feelings about HFCS. It's a rebuttal to Lustig's alarmist "HFCS is toxic" lecture and if you read the comments, Lustig actually posts but gets shut down.

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

I should have been more clear. Most whole-wheat breads don't actually have sucrose or significant amounts of it in it. HFCS is common in a lot of breads. So thats why when I eat bread I make sure to look for HFCS, in addition to sucrose.

But yes I avoid additional sugar/HFCS at all costs unless it's my cheat day :) Then all bets are off!!!

Ahh - thought since you were talking B vitamins that it was a pre-workout formula.

250mg sodium in black beans - it's a lot, but wont kill you. They also have 23 carbs, 11 grams of fiber and 7 grams of protein and 1 gram of fat per 4 ounces.

A six inch 9 grain loaf of bread from subway has 310mg sodium, 40 grams carbs and 4 grams fiber, and 8 grams of protein, 2 grams of fat.

It's all what you like I guess, I'll still take the beans and stink up the car. But complex carbs aren't always just complex carbs. Beans are a superfood loaded with antioxidents as well. they are just better for you all around.

Subway meat and breads are all processed, come from a factory. the only thing there that you could eat that isn't processed are the vegetables which basically count for no calories at all (cept tomatoes).

No foul. HFCS-demonizing will inevitably rear it's irrational head at some point in a nutrition thread. That was more of a general, preemptive comment than a response to you.

Suriously- sugar is delicious, and not inherently evil, just don't get cray. Diarbeetous really sucks.

I don't want to get into a whole HFCS insulin effect debate since that's bordering biochemistry rather than general nutrition.

I think if someone is genuinely trying to battle weight loss, one should acknowledge there might be an effect on fullness. Weight loss is a struggle for some people and every little bit helps.

With that in mind, many products that have HFCS aren't really good for you anyways lol e.g. Soft drinks. So if avoiding the pseudo-evil which is HFCS prevents someone from drinking soda daily! Then mission accomplished. More importantly if if avoiding HFCS gets the consumer to actively pay attention to nutrition labels and just be an overall more educated consumer, even better.

Edit:
In agreement for the most part, Bacon. Keep as many sweets out of your diet in general.

Spoiler'd due to dancing on the edges of derailment. (no need to respond- I just didn't want delete it sketchily)

Lol I love biochemistry discussions!

bro do you even lift insulin receptor?

True, however, "enriched flour" is pretty much a universally good ingredient to stay away from.

I emailed you some questions about Dark Matter. Are you mixing it with whey? I can't find much info on how to take it.

Thanks Bailiegrace and Slugman. I'll try water exercise. Weighted jacket sounds interesting as an idea, maybe next time I'm feeling particularly well.

Next question! :) Out of the following, what would be the best (or least bad) comfort snack: 3-4 handfuls of peanut-raisin mix, ~3 deciliters of yogurt (fat free but a LOT of sugar) or around 8 pieces (50 grams or so) of chocolate? I thought peanut-raisin mix, but then I read the label how many calories the peanuts actually have. >.> How much I eat them is starting to approach a 100-150 grams of chocolate in calories. But nuts are supposed to be good for you, right?

Did someone say Chipotle?