Why Do You Get So Mad About Bots?

really you cant use morals, and "cheating is bad" as your argument.
morals are basically opinions, and everyone's are different.
some people are fine with not playing legit and think it's ok
more power to em
if it's not directly affecting you, who cares

Sorry Tikal but you're wrong. "Which basically equates finding trends on the AH as cheating" was never even implied. It equates using a website to find trends on the AH that players who play on consoles and don't have access to is giving you an unfair advantage, and having that unfair advantage is you cheating.

Same as me having a cure bot gives me an unfair advantage that you see as cheating.

It has nothing to do with spotting trends. It has everything to do with the tool used to spot those trends that isn't accessible by everyone.

Stop cheating ***.

I only read the OP and felt compelled to change something.Shouldnt it be

"how other people DONT play the game" since its an automated program doing it

I'm still wondering who "you guys" are and whether or not they are real or figments of some sort of paranoid delusion. I am going to put my money on guys that died while flion was taking a massive crap.

I get mad about claim bots. PL bots meh, fine by me.

O.o; So you've made the game easier for yourself. Congratulations. The game was already simple enough as it was.

Why do you bot though? Is it because you can't get a group with a healer to do things with you? Is it because you failed to claim against somebody else who HAD to be a botter and you wanted to level the playing field? Is it because you think everyone else should be botting and you're just leading by example?

There's no real reason to run bots in this game. Its not that hard. Far from getting mad about it, I just sort of wonder why in the world you bother? I use windower, sure. Windower doesn't play my game for me. It gives me counters so I know when my abilities are off cooldown. Comparing that to botting is like comparing a stick shift with a HUD showing what gear you're on to an automatic. It doesn't change your gears for you.

I honestly wonder why people who bot think they're entitled to do so? Do you think you should be able to level while you're not there? Do you think you should be able to farm and get gear when you're not there? Have you ever bragged about the accomplishments you got while botting? Did you never stop to think its not much of an accomplishment if something else does it for you?

Still, as long as it only affects you and your game, great. If you use bots that claim for you, its another matter. Then you're actively putting out other people. There's no justification for it, even if somebody 3 years ago did it to you. People who claim its alright just think they're entitled because they're special.

So, no, not mad. Just scornful. If you think I'm elitist, so be it. I'm not that great at the game but at least I play it. I don't have that many accomplishments, but I've at least been there for them and enjoyed it while I was doing it.

I dont like bots but then thats because any encounters I've had with them have been bad. But I've never had many encounters either. I was never in a real endgame shell, so never dealt with claimbots and such, though I do recall seeing one used on KB when I stood around to watch the show, and laughed that it died immediatly after claiming, allowing the non bot ls to claim.

Back on topic, craft/fish bots okay I guess that doesnt bother me, anytime I've seen someone using a cure bot its been in an aby pt, and its sucked. They've used only cure III or IV, never raised buffed etc

I more think the people who bot (with the except of what I said doesnt bother me) are pathetic, or confusing, rather than me hating the bot itself. People who 'use bots every day' I really dont understand why they pay a monthly fee for a game, and possibly pay for the bot, if they arent really going to play. And yes yes I know, use them for the parts you dont enjoy like xping or such so you can get to the parts you do enjoy. Though more likely than not its a bot playing, not the human, so again, why pay for the game and the bot if you are only going to play small amounts of the game? Why not go play some free game where everyone is a noob and you would probably have an unfair advantage over them even without botting at all

You are my favorite kind of anti bot person. High horse against bots but can't bring yourself to understand that using windower is cheating too. Good stuff.

:x Shooting someone vs. inciting genocide
"THEY'RE BOTH ILLEGAL SO POO ON YOU."
Defense failed.

Why would I need another person, who leaves room for error/they could be an idiot or a total ***, when I can level my mule's WHM or RDM and run a bot so they're *always* there when I'm there, AND removes a lot of room for error? (Not to mention I don't have to worry about *** ragequiting over a drop)

Nothing to do with defense at all..just pointing something out.

Comparing humans to machines is sad. Machines can do all the mundane things so very well, after all. I hope that people don't believe that their 'skills' in a game can't be duplicated by a program that's been made well enough. A guy in WoW ran raids with nothing but bots in 40 man instances. Some people fail to even complete the same instances.

Still, when you're in a game where accomplishments are regarded in levels and items; if you want to be compared to other people's accomplishments you really shouldn't use bots. Its like having to put an asterisk next to a Major League baseball record. Yes, I'm comparing it to steroids. Woo! I got a defending ring!* Almace!* all jobs 90!* I have the major league homerun record!* They call them performance enhancers for a reason.

I guess the logical defense/attack/argument against this is to call the people who think that elitists. So what? I think they have a logical argument there. Why should people who play the game the way it was intended be compared to people who didn't? Hell, I don't mind people using bots, if thats how they want to play. I just think that everyone should be allowed to use what they admit to. Windower? You get a green asterisk. flee hacks? Blue. Claimbot? An irremovable gif of a hairy *** on your head complete with asterisk shaped pimples. Lets call it the asshat, no?

Welcome to the age of the asterisk.

Green Asterisk!

I'm not sure what you're trying to do here o.0.. Are you just further commenting on what I said, or are you trying say it's incorrect, or what?

I need one of those bots that gives me monies out of no where...
I feel broked after buying a roundel for a good price >:

Meh, high horse or not. My point is windower doesn't play the game for you. So its cheating. To compare the levels of cheating is ridiculous. Should I call you the "Everyone Does it" approach? I actually didn't use windower for 2 of the years that I played. I thought it was cheating back then, just like I do now. To claim that I don't think its 'cheating' now is to put words in my mouth. Once they released the SE windower I stopped having any regrets about it, though. Now the only thing that I have different than any other PC user has standard is timers. I already had those from recast macros.

To compare bots to windower is bloody well laughable. To rely on that argument is just shameless.

shut your ***

Because that was the original point of MMORPGs, to play with other people.

people like playing whm?

Cheating is cheating tho right? Sure there are variation of "cheating" or breaking laws but you still do it..so are you really better off than they are?

I honestly don't care if you bot or if Flion bots..it doesn't matter to me. I don't bot because I can't has nothing to do with morals or "it's wrong"..I just can't I don't have the means too so I literally can't bot.

If I had a PC that would run this game then yes I would use windower and most likely bot.

You said that people who bot aren't playing the game the way it was suppose to be played. Very true but windower users aren't either :P

I'm saying that people are probably thinking less about bots being able to do what they do and how it deflates their e-peen. I think they're probably more in line with thinking how people with bots ruin the community by putting in false accomplishments.

Of course, there could be people who get their e-peens hurt by being outdone by bots. So, in essence I'm not disagreeing with you saying that people get mad because their e-peens are in circumcision territory and in need of Viagra. Rather, I think that more people have problems with it for other reasons like the one I gave.

Having to buy ore from the NPC one *** piece at a time, at one second intervals makes me need a bot LOL

My girlfriend does. Not all the time, but she does.

lol. I think I agree with you.

I like playing my whm when I am not surrounded by complete morons. And seeing how whm is a very key part of abyssea I find myself on whm alot.

Agreed! But at least windower users are still 'playing' the game. My original greatest desire for windower was to look things up WITHOUT having to shut down ffxi. The sort of thing any console user with a laptop could do. I used to print maps of areas I didnt have the maps to because I couldn't look ***up. Ah, what a waste of paper that was.

Simply this.

Woot we agreed on something! Ooo how I wish I could use windower and SC.

The answer is quite simple. I bot because my time is limited on this earth. I have a want and a need. I want to level my job to 90. I need to spend time with my wife. The bot satisfies my want, while I handle the need.

Next question.

There's a problem with that though. The random claim timer means that 1v1, someone who doesn't bot will have the same chances of claiming against someone who does.

The only time that changes is when you have multiple people, with all their claim delays staggered.


As far as making gil faster. Admittedly that's a more valid arguement, but not by much. Can't make gil "faster" as such, more they can make gil while not being there (freeing up other stuff in-game). So they don't make gil "faster", they just don't have to focus on it for whatever reason.

There really isn't a problem with it. Humans have to eat, sleep, and take care of responsibilities where as bots don't have to do any of that.

If you're using a third party program to improve your chances at packeting a spawn monster, you're cheating.

If you're using a third party program to obtain gil/items while you're at work or *** your girlfriend, you're cheating.

It's alright though, SE usually does the right thing when they catch people doing misc stuff like this. It all can't be done in a days work! ^_^