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By Fenrir.Thandar 2012-11-04 16:16:51
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What's Belatz for? I'm in the middle of WoTG, I have Bel for my BLU, was just looking for a earring to hold me over til Moonshade
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-11-04 16:19:15
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TP earring inside legion, not ws.
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By Fenrir.Thandar 2012-11-04 16:31:06
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Ohyeah, lol. Makes sense.
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By ionthus 2012-11-14 03:52:07
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-good number of crit#% for ukkos on ws set?
-good number of str ?

Just in general

one more thing

-if the crit% number on the set not so great why bother with Ravager's Calligae +2? wouldnt be better just to switch it with a feet that has str + acc on some Situation?

-it had been said Ogier's Breeches 'Increases weapon skill damage' is 3%.ok it is good agree but what about this

"Adds "Enhances 'Warrior's Charge' effect" via Magian Trial 4957
Enhances Warrior's Charge effect by adding 1% Critical Hit Rate per merit level "

with that option if WC is up wouldn't be better to swap to War. Cuisses +2 and use Ravager's Calligae +2 with it!? and if Warrior's Charge down switch back to Ogier's Breeches with some other feet for example Hecatomb Leggings +1 with aug..? ( is there is a discussion about that can you post me the link i couldnt find any)
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2012-11-14 04:02:31
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ogier is 3% on first hit only, if you didn't take that into account.
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By Sylph.Binckry 2012-11-14 08:21:13
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ionthus said: »
-if the crit% number on the set not so great why bother with Ravager's Calligae +2? wouldnt be better just to switch it with a feet that has str + acc on some Situation?

-it had been said Ogier's Breeches 'Increases weapon skill damage' is 3%.ok it is good agree but what about this

"Adds "Enhances 'Warrior's Charge' effect" via Magian Trial 4957
Enhances Warrior's Charge effect by adding 1% Critical Hit Rate per merit level "

with that option if WC is up wouldn't be better to swap to War. Cuisses +2 and use Ravager's Calligae +2 with it!? and if Warrior's Charge down switch back to Ogier's Breeches with some other feet for example Hecatomb Leggings +1 with aug..? ( is there is a discussion about that can you post me the link i couldnt find any)
Ravager's Calligae is straight up Crit dmg+10% iirc, so uh, yeah. Relic legs+2 is pretty much a good piece for Ukko's if you don't need acc, use Ogier's legs if you need acc. It's pretty much what's been discussed in this thread for the past few pages. C:
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By Sylph.Rafaras 2012-11-14 19:16:25
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I always wanted to ask, is ST+6, DA+2, and subtle blow+4 good on a armada? or should I be aiming for DA+3?
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-11-14 19:19:44
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DA+3 and I think stp+2 are like the minimum stats you should have to be satisfied with any augment.

Edit, you need 3 stp to make it count
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By Ashandarei 2012-11-14 19:44:36
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Sylph.Decimus said: »
DA+3 and I think stp+2 are like the minimum stats you should have to be satisfied with any augment.

Pretty sure it's 4 or 5 if you want to use a Mars ring instead of Tyrants
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-11-14 19:50:10
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Nope, it's 28 stp to 6 hit. Just need 2 on the body for this set to work and that's accounting for tp after ws round. I wouldn't be comfortable with only 2 stp, but it can work.


Edit, you need 3 stp to make it count
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By Ashandarei 2012-11-14 20:02:12
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Sylph.Decimus said: »
Nope, it's 28 stp to 6 hit. Just need 2 on the body for this set to work and that's accounting for tp after ws round. I wouldn't be comfortable with only 2 stp, but it can work.

It can work if you enjoy hitting 99 stp... I've got 3stp/3DA on mine and if I take my tyrant's off, I hit 99 every round.

Should clarify, if I miss Ukko's 2nd hit, then I get 99.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-11-14 20:11:55
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Then you're missing your 2nd hit on Ukko's every time.
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By Sylph.Binckry 2012-11-14 20:25:09
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Silly people, the DA and stp don't matter, Subtle blow is where it's at. c:
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-11-14 20:29:51
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I personally like my mp +19. Really makes all the difference.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-11-14 20:29:55
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Sylph.Decimus said: »
Then you're missing your 2nd hit on Ukko's every time.
13*1.28 = 16.6

16.6*5 = 83

Need 23 in WS to get 100.

13*1.23 = 15.9
1*1.23 = 1.2

15.9+1.2 = 17.7

Brutal, Rajas, /SAM = 21. So unless he's WSing in 2 Store TP armada, then no, your set isn't a 6 hit without tyrant's.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-11-14 20:36:48
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When I calculated for 2 stp on Armada I didn't round down my decimals. My bad.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-11-14 20:38:10
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You don't round, you truncate.
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By Sylph.Binckry 2012-11-14 20:51:03
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Sylph.Decimus said: »
I personally like my mp +19. Really makes all the difference.
The HP+17 in mine make up my world. C:
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By Sylph.Rafaras 2012-11-15 01:46:28
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Well the status on my Armada is what I wrote above. Should I keep it or aim for DA+3?

PS: I honestly like how my Armada is but would it be a game breaker to have DA+3?
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2012-11-15 02:26:42
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Aim for DA+3.
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By Cerberus.Mindi 2012-11-15 03:09:27
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You should aim for DA3 and atleast 3 STP on it. well depening probably on your other gear choices. 29 Store TP is good to 6 hit, with 30 you even 6hit when 2nd hit from Ukon misses :x

5 Phory head, 5 Rajas, 1 Brutal, 15 /sam 3 Armada = 29 Store TP

13 x 1.29 = 16.7 x 5 = 83,5

100 - 83,5 = 16,5 (Need 16.5 TP from WS to 6 hit)

13*1.21 = 15.7
1*1.21 = 1.2

15,7+1,2=16,9 TP ==> 6 hit with 2nd hit land

3DA 4 StoreTP is even better (For Ukon WAR it is, if you also use it for Ragnarok you might need more.. dunno lol)

13 x 1.30 = 16.9 x 5 = 84,5

100 - 84,5 = 15,5 (Need 15.5 TP from WS to 6 hit)

13*1.21 = 15.7 > 15.5

so once you get 30 StoreTP in your TP set and 6 StoreTP in your WS you only need the 1st hit from Ukon to land to 6hit
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By DeathOfSiren 2012-11-15 13:50:52
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Odin.Registry said: »
Way overshooting a 6-hit. Unless you're being weird and not subbing SAM:

Gimpness said: »
16 STP = Only need Brutal in Ukko's set. Allows you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.

15 STP = Need Rajas and Brutal in Ukko's set. Also allows you to miss second hit of Ukko's (and still keep your 6-hit).

14 STP = Need Brutal in Ukko's set. Does not allow you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.

13 STP = Need Brutal and Rajas in Ukko's set. Does not allow you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.

You have 33 STP in that set.

If you don't have ada/armadaberk and have no access to Phorcys... at the *very least* use this:


If you have Phasmida you can replace Goading with it and Blitz with Tyrant's

Wouldn't need a Tyrant's with Phasmida. Lorica + Rajas + Brutal = 14 STP. Would be better off using a Mars's Ring instead.
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By Yandaime 2012-11-16 12:43:26
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Quick Question Everyone: Do I Keep My Vulcan's Pearl?

I just got the TP Bonus Moonshade Finally, and after looking over most of the WSs I use, I realize the only time's I would need to switch out from Moonshade to Vulcan's are 300TP situations. 300's happen a lot in Voidwatch but hardly anywhere else and even then, 4 STR doesn't make too large a difference (literally 25-35 Damage on Reso) Add to that, on my server, Vulcan Pearl is selling for 7-9m so yea.. I'm tempted as hell...

Really, I'm gonna do this, I just wanna check with you guys who've probably crossed thoughts on this very same topic and make sure I'm not making a mistake :P

Thank you for your time
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-11-16 12:49:49
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It just depends on personal economy. It's all a game of marginal increases, but they do add up. If you can afford to pay 6-8 mil for 1 str then go for it, but if you don't have amazing sources of income and that 6-8 mil can do more for you elsewhere it's hard to argue not selling. I say 6-8 because I assume you'd have a flame pearl otherwise.

Or just get Kokou's Earring and don't worry about it at all.
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By Yandaime 2012-11-16 12:56:07
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yea, need to do more Meebles to fix that problem altogether. And no I was already using Vulcan, but have Moonshade now is why I was asking if It would just be more logical to sell it :P Like a "How much would I be kicking my own *** for not having that 4 STR at 300TP?" kinda thing lol
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-11-16 12:58:07
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I just sold mine in anticipation of Kokou's impact on the price. My Mandau is weeping though.
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By Odin.Registry 2012-11-16 13:23:50
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DeathOfSiren said: »
Wouldn't need a Tyrant's with Phasmida. Lorica + Rajas + Brutal = 14 STP. Would be better off using a Mars's Ring instead.

If you do that and miss the second hit of Ukko's you're coming up with 99 TP unless you get hit or have some kinda regain. Ukko's being a 2-hit weaponskill you can't really disregard missing one hit since you don't have 4-5 chances to double attack.

Anyway, I think it's somewhat funny that a lot the last 2-3 pages have been revolving around Store TP ***. :x



Easy answer quoted again (you even quoted this in your post):
Gimpness said: »
16 STP = Only need Brutal in Ukko's set. Allows you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.

15 STP = Need Rajas and Brutal in Ukko's set. Also allows you to miss second hit of Ukko's (and still keep your 6-hit).

14 STP = Need Brutal in Ukko's set. Does not allow you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.

13 STP = Need Brutal and Rajas in Ukko's set. Does not allow you to miss second hit of Ukko's and (still) keep your 6-hit.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-11-16 13:48:02
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The odds of you not landing a second hit on Ukko's at capped acc, even with 0 DA, is like 4.75%. I wouldn't worry about not landing one.
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By Odin.Registry 2012-11-16 13:57:03
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It's kind of a stupid argument since we have 6-10 regain in almost anything right now, so I don't really want to get into it... but even seeing 99 TP ~5% of the time bugs the hell outta me.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-11-16 13:59:49
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Well, considering standard Ukko's are at least 25% DA, the odds of that happening are really low.

With 25% DA, you have a 56.25% chance at no DA happening at all, then 4.75% chance at fist hit landing and second missing. 56.25*.475 = 2.67% chance you won't land a second hit at all.
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