Ukko's Fury Setup

Does anyone actually buy marrows though? You'd have to find a buyer to get the gil to compare bravura and ukon.

That's some impressive reading comprehension.

I was simply saying that you can't read properly. Selsha said that the marrows shouldn't be included in the total cost because they are easy to obtain. I disagreed because those items still have value.

I'm done. This conversation makes my want to shoot myself.

Phasmida belt has 6 accuracy, Phos doesn't. 2 accuracy variance between Phasmida/Blitz and Phos/Mars. The primary difference is attack... but even then it's minute. Also, simply by trading out Zelus for Phorcy, I'm gaining 10 accuracy/10 attack, making it a cumulative gain of 16 accuracy. Mars would give me +2 acc, +8 attack, but cost me around 8m at current prices, unless I decided to use bullwhip and take a 75 HP hit, with lots of elemental resist loss, which will make lower enfeebles resist less.

And yes, I know how my accuracy rating varies between Ig and weaker VW mobs.

The thing is in VW you don't need Blitz Ring at all. You probably don't even need anything over a Swift Belt. If you've beaten Provenance Watcher then you should have 3 Atmacite slots, so you can live to lose either 3% (Latitude) or 5% (Valiant) haste in gear while still maintaining 45 TP return from Misers+Discipline and 5-6 Regain from Monarchs+Coercion.

That being said in VW you only need 6 STP in gear as /SAM to 6hit (Brutal+Rajas), even if you DA every single time. The only way to make your 6hit into a 7hit is to not use Monarchs or not use Coercion, or have every single hit proc DA, and then get at least 1 Retaliation proc. This is including the 45 TP return from Misers+Discipline.

So at a certain point in VW, nothing really matters but QA>TA>DA>Acc>Att in gear, because you'll be very hard pressed to screw up your xhit and haste cap that severely. WAR doesn't get many slots where it can drop haste in TP.


Either way, you're spending gil on something that could have been one of the all around best weapons in FFXI, instead of one of the high end mediocre weapons in FFXI.

You're on a massive tangent.

I'm on a massive single point on a curve?

I'm not sure what you mean.

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If we're talking about VW, Haste, STP, and depending on the tier, Accuracy is devalued greatly. So you would gear for DA/TA/Attack or DA/TA/Accuracy.

If we're talking about Legion, you need Haste, Xhits, and Accuracy. So you would gear for STP/Accuracy/Capped Haste

If we're talking about Nyzul, you need Haste DA TA QA and Attack more than anything else. So you would gear for Haste and DA/Attack again.

Ideally you want optimal sets for every occasion.

Yes, but even if they didn't you could just have everyone involved go farm currency instead. The price of marrows is primarily driven by currency prices anyway.

All stemming from a discussion of haste belt/ring choice. I only rebutted that the accuracy you inferred made one combo better than the other was more minimal than you originally pointed out, since the accuracy of Phasmida wasn't accounted for. The rest is tangential, and I'm not sure why it's directed at me.

Oh, I'm saying you don't even need to use blitz with 3 atmacites so you can actually have 14 accuracy in belt/ring slots instead of 6/8, and it'll never hurt your xhit or haste cap in voidwatch.

Maybe, but I'd rather have different atmacites, personally. 26% Haste isn't hard to do imo, and there are some serious atmacites out there. Since I'm almost always tanking when I create my runs, I'd prefer -10% DT, with AoE Reraise, not that I need it with twilight, but others could, and I'm always in the fray. Haven't decided yet since I don't have the third slot yet. Some people might laugh at those choices, but runs have failed on for the sole reason that I died before. Yes, yes, PDT/MDT sets, I have them, but hits get through one way or another.

The thing about Latitude and Valiant is it's not even there for the haste. They are both the most superior WS damage atmacites there are, and the other TP focused atmacites aren't enough of a bonus to really help at all. The Haste on Valiant and Latitude is coincidental.

Edit: Assuming you're using Coercion/Discipline in the first place and using Latitude and Valiant as a third.

The 7.5% crit rate on Ukko's from Latitude is tempting, but I just can't justify it. You're right though, I am overkilled with Haste from Valiant. Never realized it.

This is my problem. Still need almost700 plates and poor as hell!!

I have been playing with my Voidwatch TP sets since I upgraded Valiant and I feel dropping Zelus tiara for Rav. mask +2 and picking up haste in other slots makes a stronger set overall.

Coercion, Latitude, Valiant

(Phorcys in hand slot works too if that's better)

or,



Only requires Valiant but suffers roughly a 30 acc drop compared to the previous set. Set 1 also caps haste with just Valiant if you swap out hands for Brego gloves.

That is a sexy set up!'

Quoted for relevance to my question. I was gona ask this a while back but feared it was too nooby. According to ffxicalc (since I can't do my own math lol) You only need +14 stp (brutal + rajas + ravager body) for a perfect 6 hit. Does this open up 2nd ring for mars's and use kaggen belt without adding more stp? Or am I doing it wrong.

Is it a perfect X-hit, or imperfect? Do you have enough TP return from WS, since that STP won't be in it? If you miss the 2nd hit on Ukko's, will it leave you missing 1 TP? I think that's what defines the situation.

Also, his is factoring in the regain.

By perfect x-hit I mean start at zero without factoring in WS or regain of any sort.

Edit: If you have regain of 3(drink)+2(atma)+4(roll)+1(lol regain earring)then why bother using stp at all?

The second one because losing Discipline is stupid.

Edit: at least drop coercion for discipline if you're going to go around being silly. There's no possible way that 3/tick regain will EVER become 28 TP (Discipline+Misers is 45 TP return, Ukko's Fury is 16-17 TP return) while tping to 100.

16.7 x 6 = 100.2 TP.

If you take STP off when you WS... let's say all of it to demonstrate the point, Ukko's will return 16.01% TP, if both hits land and no DA. Now you have 16.01 TP, which, after 5 hits will leave you at 99% TP. That's why you can't always have the minimum amount of STP, and HAVE to measure the STP in your WS phase as well.

You wouldn't! But the thing is that so many slots that are already optimal (or close enough) also have STP on them. (Brutal, Armada, Rajas, Tyrant's, etc.)

With 5/tick regain you need at least 8 STP (Rajas+Brutal+White Tathlum) to 6hit from 0 TP. With 6/tick regain (level 15 Coercion or level 10 + lolearring) you only need 6 from Rajas+Brutal for a 6hit from 0 TP.

Ofcourse you SHOULD be getting 45 TP return every WS, which accounts for only 1 tick of regain most of the time. Even still, for a 6hit(3hit after tp return) you only need at least 12 STP in gear.

Edit: Also, stop using Tacticians, and stop using regain on earring.