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Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bismarck.Nevill said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Sylph.Zenairis said: I can't believe some of these people they still can't let that grudge go... there's many good people over in Japan and Japan is one of our close allies now. Is this one thread on Facebook or a bunch? Bismarck.Nevill said: Ragnarok.Afania said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Sylph.Zenairis said: I can't believe some of these people they still can't let that grudge go... there's many good people over in Japan and Japan is one of our close allies now. Is this one thread on Facebook or a bunch? You mean like people who are still bothered by the civil war and the confederate flag? And how no one would be offended by a mitsuibishi parked in a parking lot at Pearl Harbor. BTW I in no way thought of Pearl Harbor when I saw this. Hope there is a speedy recovery and speedy rebuilding. Quote: 2252: Reuters: Operators are preparing to release radioactive steam from the number three reactor at Fukushima No. 1 plant, after the cooling system failed there I'm at my mom's, so on my cell andd not on a computer. CNN juust said Fukashima has had a catastrophic event and is heading for meltdown. Links please?
Just woke up. Am I reading right that they got the no. 1 reactor under control, but that this new stuff is at reactor no. 3? It sounds like the same problems facing no. 1 last night are facing no. 3 now.
Cerberus.Liandaru said: I'm at my mom's, so on my cell andd not on a computer. CNN juust said Fukashima has had a catastrophic event and is heading for meltdown. Links please? link I can't really do a very thorough search atm, I'm busy cooking. Was looking around news sites to see if anyone thought that the tons of sardines we're still cleaning up here was maybe related. Like the fish knew what was coming and got spooked and lost in the harbor. o_o;
Ewww direct sea water injection and chemical shutdown... guess they really are worried. Well that reactor is useless now lol
Will the sea water they pumped into the plant be radioactively contaminated? If so, what will they do with that sea water? Put back to the ocean? Will this cause problem in the future for the fishing? Japan diet depends largely on fishing, I believe.
And it won't stay in pacific ocean only, I think. Wow... We are all gonna have big consequences. .. Asura.Catastrophe said: Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Cerberus.Liandaru said: I'm at my mom's, so on my cell andd not on a computer. CNN juust said Fukashima has had a catastrophic event and is heading for meltdown. Links please? link I can't really do a very thorough search atm, I'm busy cooking. Chernobyl style nuclear event isn't possible on a BWR, but okay. So like is this another system this is happening to? I thought they had fed and bled seawater into it. Could you elaborate on that a bit? Physically, what happened at Chernobyl? My vague understanding is that the fuel melted even after the reactor shut down, fused together and went critical again. What's different about a BWR and what they're doing that would prevent this? Cerberus.Liandaru said: I'm at my mom's, so on my cell andd not on a computer. CNN juust said Fukashima has had a catastrophic event and is heading for meltdown. Links please? I just heard on CNN that it's likely that the reactor is in the process of having a meltdown. Is Japan downplaying the problems they're having with the reactor or is world-wide news exaggerating? Serj said: Is Japan downplaying the problems they're having with the reactor or is world-wide news exaggerating? I think that's a question we're going to be asking ourselves for the next few days/weeks lol Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said: Could you elaborate on that a bit? Physically, what happened at Chernobyl? My vague understanding is that the fuel melted even after the reactor shut down, fused together and went critical again. What's different about a BWR and what they're doing that would prevent this? Part of it had to deal with the way it operated to cause such an extreme and quick power surge. Like when things got out of hand and they tried to shut down it ended up making things worse. Poor design and even poor handling of things (but really it was the night shift that shouldn't even have been doing the testing). And well this reactor is shutdown good so heat generation is minimal so not gunna super heat it causing rediculously big explosions. Plus they used graphite moderators which ended up catching fire after being exposed from several large steam explosions sending radioactive smoke up for decent distances Serj said: Is Japan downplaying the problems they're having with the reactor or is world-wide news exaggerating? Ty catastrophe for answer. U seem to know a lot about these stuffs. Awesome ^.^
Asura.Catastrophe said: BWRs can't physically do that because they function on a Negative Temperature Coefficient of Reactivity because reactor power is based on steam demand, not at Rod pullout. The hotter water is, the more expanded molecules become, harder for fission to occur. There is no graphite being used at all, which accelerates neutron flux. wat Christ, you know a lot about this stuff. You a physicist, engineer, something? Asura.Catastrophe said: Chernobyl is a case of terrible reactor design. Basically they were testing equipment to allow proper electrical handoff from their generators and while doing a startup. Their fuel rods are graphite tipped, which contributes to what they call a "Positive Temperature Coefficient of Reactivity" creates a power spike while it goes to SCRAM and displaces coolant on top of an already ever increasing positive void system that ends up causing an explosion. So the SCRAM didn't even successfully complete at Chernobyl, like it did here? I don't know what a positive void system is, but it sounds like you're saying that the fact that they used graphite-tipped fuel rods allowed it to overheat more easily, bubble away coolant, and go kablooey. (Man, didn't Dasva say SL1 used graphite? Graphite sucks.) I imagine Chernobyl didn't have access to an unlimited amount of seawater, too. Asura.Catastrophe said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Asura.Catastrophe said: BWRs can't physically do that because they function on a Negative Temperature Coefficient of Reactivity because reactor power is based on steam demand, not at Rod pullout. The hotter water is, the more expanded molecules become, harder for fission to occur. There is no graphite being used at all, which accelerates neutron flux. wat Christ, you know a lot about this stuff. You a physicist, engineer, something? ~_~ sorry. lol D: Oh no, I'm just curious lol. I got to an engineering school and only people who really study this ***can give an answer anywhere near as good as you do. Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Asura.Catastrophe said: BWRs can't physically do that because they function on a Negative Temperature Coefficient of Reactivity because reactor power is based on steam demand, not at Rod pullout. The hotter water is, the more expanded molecules become, harder for fission to occur. There is no graphite being used at all, which accelerates neutron flux. wat Christ, you know a lot about this stuff. You a physicist, engineer, something? This might help? Asura.Catastrophe said: BWRs can't physically do that because they function on a Negative Temperature Coefficient of Reactivity because reactor power is based on steam demand, not at Rod pullout. The hotter water is, the more expanded molecules become, harder for fission to occur. There is no graphite being used at all, which accelerates neutron flux. /cheer Relax, people, Chernobyl comparisons are nonsense. The physics is completely different here. Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Asura.Catastrophe said: BWRs can't physically do that because they function on a Negative Temperature Coefficient of Reactivity because reactor power is based on steam demand, not at Rod pullout. The hotter water is, the more expanded molecules become, harder for fission to occur. There is no graphite being used at all, which accelerates neutron flux. wat he says we need one point twenty-one gigawatts to power up the flux capacitator ! Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said: Asura.Catastrophe said: BWRs can't physically do that because they function on a Negative Temperature Coefficient of Reactivity because reactor power is based on steam demand, not at Rod pullout. The hotter water is, the more expanded molecules become, harder for fission to occur. There is no graphite being used at all, which accelerates neutron flux. /cheer Relax, people, Chernobyl comparisons are nonsense. The physics is completely different here. Correct me if I'm wrong.. It seems they've already bricked one reactor, I really doubt if it was just safe to let it do whatever that they would still be trying so hard to get it under control. Also the problem with using graphite moderators also is losing coolant like say from water boiling or just expanding from heating up so less in same space or displacing some of it from scramming or a leak will mean more will get to the graphite to moderate increasing reactor power boiling more water round and round resulting in uncontrollable increase in power. However it works so well you can use less fuel and less enriched fuel easier.
On the other hand water moderators work the oposite since as density goes down moderation will go down reducing power so it balances out. Also apparently graphite burns decent |
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