Aftermath/af3+2 Question

how does aftermath on a twashtar + af3+2 augment samba work? ive got this dnc claiming he can land 1300 dmg per swing with am and samba procs and im feeling skeptical. dnc experts, math my brain please o:?

Set bonus can proc at the same time as aftermath. I've done 2k with a regular crit on thf (ODD + Triple damage proc). Dnc augment samba iirc is ODD while samba is up, so with aftermath you get ODD+ODD when both proc at the same time. This is a fairly rare occurrence though, because set bonus has terrible proc rate.

roughly 8% if you tp in the full set for dnc set to go off.

8% sounds like a lot. Maybe I should finish my Dnc AF3 >_>

5%, in my experience. And yeah, they can proc together with the Aftermath. 1k+ dagger crits are always amusing.

Does anyone know if our set bonus applies to others too? They get our Samba, and I've had some people report extra high damage when they shouldn't have any OADD.

if you use omnipotent: 50 dex, 10% haste, +10 enmity
it allows you to tp in full AF3 with nusku's sash, that and the 50 dex helps with rudra and evisceration.

i havent done any testing, but from my experience no.

hows this compared to say an AF3+2 war + ukko, do their sets/am work the same?

dont see why it wouldnt, you can use a magnus weapon to test if you like, since AM functions in the same way.

basically the gist of the argument: dnc claims she can out parse ukin war, and im bad at math/comprehending mechanics :p.

the math was skewed since 85, but when i last checked, in the DD tiers dnc was 3rdish place. idk if it can, doubtful to be honest, but it's definately up there.

Ukon war will outparse dancer all day. For dnc to come close to outparsing a war, they would need to be able to force-crit every Rudra's to do decent WS damage WHILE keeping aftermath up, but Dnc can only force-crit every 2 minutes.

There is absolutely no way a DNC will outparse a Ukon WAR unless they get to pick buffs and the WAR is horrid.

Something like Minuet/march (12.5% Haste) with Haste and the WAR never receiving Haste Samba or getting hit for retaliation would potentially let the Dancer win.

i had previously mentioned this before, but dnc can get like 2% shy of the delay cap without brd, sooooo dnc could just make use of double minuet if they wanted. but doesnt change the fact that indeed war would outparse dnc, purely because how strong their TP auto-attacks are.

25% from Haste and Samba, 25% from gear (50%)
58% dual wield by making a variety of extremely questionable gear decisions (Nusku's sash, Auric Dagger, AF3+2 body, AF3 neck, Suppa).

.42*.5 = .21

So you could get within 1% if you really felt like it and used Omnipotent Atma to cover the Haste loss from not using Twilight belt. You'd likely do much better damage with Gnarled Horn and real gear though.

GH RR omni has parsed better than GH RR AOA for me on dnc purely because of the gear allowances and a full set to proc double dmg, and on that note, of the gear you have mentioned the only questionable piece of equipment is auric, which you can change for a fire kila and still maintain less then .23 delay. look at it this way: omnipotent gives you 5% dual wield which at that dual wield height is roughly equal to the gain from haste, 1-2% double dmg, some minor evasion, subtle blow, and 50 dex which is giving better numbers on ws.

When I do the math, it loses by about 5%. It's hard to beat a straight 18% increase in DPS.

18%? i'll take your word for it i guess, i never got into how triple attack works in conjunction with double attack, didnt think of it as additive so i was only personally calculating it as maybe 8% or 9% increase in dmg. for ws dmg Rudra should only be used when you can stack it with striking flourish so looking at 4-5 hit max on rudra, and 1 hit extra on it will fail in comparrison to 50 dex on a 60% dex mod ws. for evis i really dont see it helping at all.

just idk lol.

Without Apoc:
33% DA, 3% TA = 1 + 2*.03 + .97*.33 = 1.38 Attacks per swing
33% DA, 18% TA = 1+ 2*.18 + .82*.33 = 1.63 Attacks per swing
1.63/1.38 = +18.2%

and how would that match up to your recent change in your outlook as how rudra was calculated with 50 more dex, also the equivelent of 5% more haste (you should be able to maintain the same Xhit with 5 more dual wield without changing gear, granted you would have certain circumstances that makes Xhits on dnc less ideal)


also forgive me andy for hijacking your thread.

its cool, its informative, i got my question answered, thats all that matters. makes me want to get an empy sometime too :p. ..ukon cat war... dont see any of those around.

solara!

that's probably due to alot of elitests playing a certain race that benefits the job the most, ie: elvaan sams, taru blms, mithran thieves etc etc

elitists are stupid, mithra is great for DD! if i dont see an ukon cat war, ill be the first if i have to on assura.

Races are a really good way to annoy elitists. If they act elitist and they aren't the optimal race point out that they will never be the best they can be.

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Asura/Solara You've been beaten to it!

Assuming you start with 270 DEX, another 50 DEX is a 13% increase in Rudra's damage and a 10% increase in Evisc damage. I generally run a 50/50 TP/WS split and use Evisc vastly more than Rudra's, so call it a 5% increase in damage.

Assuming it moves you from 48 to 53% Dual Wield and it doesn't hit the delay cap, .52/.47 = 10% increase in DPS and a little less than that as an increase in TP gain. You also gain 1-2% Double damage and lose 2% double attack, which is pretty much a wash. Also, assuming you're going from Dusk +1 and Twilight to AF3+2 and Nusku's, you lose a fraction of haste.

So Omnipotence is a bit less than a 15% increase in damage, making the changes you suggested.


Apocalypse is an 18% increase in DPS (and TP gain) almost independent of your buffs, and a much smaller increase in WS damage.

And if I toss the two cases into my excel sheet, Apocalypse trounces it by 10%.

Another DD atma probably be better.

if aftermath with twashtar can stack with af3+2, then can magnus dagger stack with af3+2?

it has a nice delay but the dmg is low

but i was kinda contemplating that last night while laying in bed lol

ohhhh wait magnus dagger has to be in the main hand to proc

dammit foiled again