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Final Fantasy VII
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 12:52:51
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Fenrir.Enternius said: Shiva.Flionheart said: No it's the part I say I think VII is mediocre and doesn't deserve all the praise it gets. I don't think I've ever said I HATED VII.
Cool paraphrasing though. That's just the thing though.
What makes it mediocre? Besides the graphics (To be easily overlooked, especially if they're planning a remake), there's really nothing to complain about.
You think the tens of millions of adoring fans (Lol Oblivion) could possibly all just be joking? It's not really a good game, we're all just kidding?
The story was mediocre and clichéd, the cast wasn't anything special and the ability system had serious flaws.
Doesn't make it a bad game, but certainly doesn't make it the "BEST GAME EVER"
People like you are blinded by nostalgia glasses, and you think if lots of people like something then it must automatically be good. And to further the arrogance, you think that anyone that doesn't share your view on a video game is wrong or lying.
meh I disagree with just about all of this and I don't even think it's the best game ever
I don't mind if you disagree with me on it, but implying that everyone must hold the view that VII is teh best game evar is pretty stupid imo.
Leviathan.Draylo said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Shiva.Flionheart said: I sharked Beatrix in on an old run of it, only problem was she lacked physical power because she was locked into the save the queen. She had potent SWD arts though, so I guess it's not that big an issue. Isn't it impossible to give her abilities too though?
I used Quina on one play through, he's a good universal character. Amarant is my favourite though, No mercy and Chakra are boss.
Actually she had the best physical power towards the end of the game. Her sword is unique in that it levels up with her or something like that, so she can deal a ton of dmg with just regular attacks and it also increases her stats a large amount every level up. Her Seiken abilites will suck though because they depend on the base dmg of the weapon. You can fix her/steiner's thunder slash and give her various abilties through gameshark/cwcheat also but it makes her very overpowered lol, also you can swap her weapon out with the same means.
On my next play through I was thinking of using Blank because he's so damn cool.
Yeah they have mods that let you move around peoples abilties sets and stuff. I've messed around with Blank (have to remove amarant or something liek that, or maybe Quina it was) and gave him Seiken (Beatrix skills) abilties and black magic lol.
Yeah Blank's levels went to Amarant, if I were doing that, I'd give him Flair probably just to make him essentially amarant lol.
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By Fenrir.Enternius 2011-02-11 12:53:07
Shiva.Flionheart said: People like you are blinded by nostalgia glasses, and you think if lots of people like something then it must automatically be good. And to further the arrogance, you think that anyone that doesn't share your view on a video game is wrong or lying. I think you'll find that I have a fair view of all Final Fantasy games.
Problem with writing me off as a typical fanboy for the sake of nostalgia, is that I didn't play any FF games until about 2002. I was finally convinced by a few friends to play 7, 8, and 9 (during that whole "omg FFX is so fun" craze). I didn't have a PS2 or FFX obviously, but my best friend did let me borrow all the FF games.
I played them in order, over the course of about two weeks. And I've played all three since, multiple times. I have never implied that 8 or 9 were subpar in any way, and I have never implied that FF7 was my favorite of them.
In fact, if I had to put them in order, I would say FF8 > FF7 > FF9. But JUST because it's second place does NOT make it a bad game. That's exactly what you're saying. You're going against a fanbase of possibly hundreds of millions, just because you think FF9 was better.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but when you say "This game is so lame, FF9 was better in every way", you sound no different than those 12 year old boys on PSN or Xbox Live saying "Oh mah god, kid, stop camping!".
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 12:56:06
Fenrir.Enternius said: Shiva.Flionheart said: People like you are blinded by nostalgia glasses, and you think if lots of people like something then it must automatically be good. And to further the arrogance, you think that anyone that doesn't share your view on a video game is wrong or lying. I think you'll find that I have a fair view of all Final Fantasy games.
Problem with writing me off as a typical fanboy for the sake of nostalgia, is that I didn't play any FF games until about 2002. I was finally convinced by a few friends to play 7, 8, and 9 (during that whole "omg FFX is so fun" craze). I didn't have a PS2 or FFX obviously, but my best friend did let me borrow all the FF games.
I played them in order, over the course of about two weeks. And I've played all three since, multiple times. I have never implied that 8 or 9 were subpar in any way, and I have never implied that FF7 was my favorite of them.
In fact, if I had to put them in order, I would say FF8 > FF7 > FF9. But JUST because it's second place does NOT make it a bad game. That's exactly what you're saying. You're going against a fanbase of possibly hundreds of millions, just because you think FF9 was better.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but when you say "This game is so lame, FF9 was better in every way", you sound no different than those 12 year old boys on PSN or Xbox Live saying "Oh mah god, kid, stop camping!".
Mediocre =/= Bad
And yes, that is how opinions work, I think FFIX is better, therefore to me it was better.
Deal with it?
edit: Oh and in fact I didn't say anything negative about VII here, you just jumped in to defend a game lol.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-02-11 12:58:27
I liked FF9 because Zidane is a monkey boy.
So my Journey To the West and Dragon Ball fanboi-isms trumped any FF fanboi-isms.
edit: @ flion.
of course he's going to do that.
this is a final fatnasy 7 thread so obv. he's gonna think you are referring to the game for that it's Ent.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-02-11 12:59:52
Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Fenrir.Enternius said: Shiva.Flionheart said: No it's the part I say I think VII is mediocre and doesn't deserve all the praise it gets. I don't think I've ever said I HATED VII.
Cool paraphrasing though. That's just the thing though.
What makes it mediocre? Besides the graphics (To be easily overlooked, especially if they're planning a remake), there's really nothing to complain about.
You think the tens of millions of adoring fans (Lol Oblivion) could possibly all just be joking? It's not really a good game, we're all just kidding?
The story was mediocre and clichéd, the cast wasn't anything special and the ability system had serious flaws.
Doesn't make it a bad game, but certainly doesn't make it the "BEST GAME EVER"
People like you are blinded by nostalgia glasses, and you think if lots of people like something then it must automatically be good. And to further the arrogance, you think that anyone that doesn't share your view on a video game is wrong or lying.
meh I disagree with just about all of this and I don't even think it's the best game ever
I don't mind if you disagree with me on it, but implying that everyone must hold the view that VII is teh best game evar is pretty stupid imo. never intended to imply that
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 12:59:58
Ramuh.Vinvv said: I liked FF9 because Zidane is a monkey boy.
So my Journey To the West and Dragon Ball fanboi-isms trumped any FF fanboi-isms.
I thought Zidane had one of the best FF stories. Cloud too for that matter, Cloud's story was one of the only things I really enjoyed about VII.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 13:00:51
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Fenrir.Enternius said: Shiva.Flionheart said: No it's the part I say I think VII is mediocre and doesn't deserve all the praise it gets. I don't think I've ever said I HATED VII.
Cool paraphrasing though. That's just the thing though.
What makes it mediocre? Besides the graphics (To be easily overlooked, especially if they're planning a remake), there's really nothing to complain about.
You think the tens of millions of adoring fans (Lol Oblivion) could possibly all just be joking? It's not really a good game, we're all just kidding?
The story was mediocre and clichéd, the cast wasn't anything special and the ability system had serious flaws.
Doesn't make it a bad game, but certainly doesn't make it the "BEST GAME EVER"
People like you are blinded by nostalgia glasses, and you think if lots of people like something then it must automatically be good. And to further the arrogance, you think that anyone that doesn't share your view on a video game is wrong or lying.
meh I disagree with just about all of this and I don't even think it's the best game ever
I don't mind if you disagree with me on it, but implying that everyone must hold the view that VII is teh best game evar is pretty stupid imo. never intended to imply that
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you implied it. More that Ent implied it.
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2011-02-11 13:01:52
Shiva.Flionheart said: Cloud's story was one of the only things I really enjoyed about VII. THE ONLY THING YOU ENJOYED ABOUT VII? OMFG HOW CAN YOU TALK SUCH TRASH ABOUT VII???
/ragingfanboyoff
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 13:02:01
Ramuh.Vinvv said: I liked FF9 because Zidane is a monkey boy.
So my Journey To the West and Dragon Ball fanboi-isms trumped any FF fanboi-isms.
edit: @ flion.
of course he's going to do that.
this is a final fatnasy 7 thread so obv. he's gonna think you are referring to the game for that it's Ent.
I just don't see how he got
"OMG I *** HATE FFVII AND IT'S SO ***"
out of
"I'd prefer an FFIX sequel."
He's just a LITTLE too ready to defend VII.
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By Asura.Yunalaysca 2011-02-11 13:04:08
that is terribly accurate lol
just something of note, im not a FF7 fanboy, just a FF1-14 (minus 12) fanboy
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 13:05:45
Asura.Yunalaysca said: that is terribly accurate lol
just something of note, im not a FF7 fanboy, just a FF1-14 (minus 12) fanboy
I'm an FF series in general fanboy too, can't help myself.
I actually started playing XIII again and I'm having a blast with it.
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By Fenrir.Enternius 2011-02-11 13:05:57
Shiva.Flionheart said: Mediocre =/= Bad
And yes, that is how opinions work, I think FFIX is better, therefore to me it was better.
Deal with it?
Mediocre = average or less than average. That's something you say about the new John Mayer album, not about a game that's almost exclusively heralded as the best game of all time.
You're not speaking like it was an opinion. You're speaking like "it's cliche'd and the characters were meh and the ability system was so unbalanced" when it's just blatant lack of knowledge on the subject if you say it's cliche'd. The characters (When compared to FF8's characters who all felt weak and uneducated or FF9's generic WHM, SMN, DRG archetypes), were at the very least fun to play, even if you ignore their personalities. And (This part is not opinion, it's fact) apart from FFXI, the Materia system was the most balanced system in a Final Fantasy game in the past 15 years.
Shiva.Flionheart said: edit: Oh and in fact I didn't say anything negative about VII here, you just jumped in to defend a game lol. I wasn't defending anything. I just know that when you're posting in an FF7 thread, it's just to gloat about how you think you're so superior because you can insult topics generally regarded as favorable, with no real basis in reality.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-02-11 13:07:11
<- FINAL FANTASY VII FANBOY AND PROUD OF IT! D:<
With that said I'm not going to pretend it's the greatest thing ever. I know it has flaws, I know a lot of games are better. I still like it more... just... because. IE WoW's a better game, but I still enjoy FFXI more.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2011-02-11 13:07:21
Nooo no no no please for the love of god SE do NOT use voice acting for a FF7 remake, do not tamper with a cult classic...
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2011-02-11 13:08:37
Leviathan.Niniann said: IE WoW's a better game, but I still enjoy FFXI more. Heresy!
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By Asura.Yunalaysca 2011-02-11 13:08:37
Shiva.Flionheart said: Asura.Yunalaysca said: that is terribly accurate lol
just something of note, im not a FF7 fanboy, just a FF1-14 (minus 12) fanboy
I'm an FF series in general fanboy too, can't help myself.
I actually started playing XIII again and I'm having a blast with it. amusingly enough i just did to, figured i'd give it more optimism than i gave it the first run (halfway through i got real depressed with SE)
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2011-02-11 13:08:45
Btw you guys know there is a version of FF7 available for PC with a complete overhaul to sound, graphics and animation.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 13:08:48
Fenrir.Enternius said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Mediocre =/= Bad
And yes, that is how opinions work, I think FFIX is better, therefore to me it was better.
Deal with it?
Mediocre = average or less than average. That's something you say about the new John Mayer album, not about a game that's almost exclusively heralded as the best game of all time.
You're not speaking like it was an opinion. You're speaking like "it's cliche'd and the characters were meh and the ability system was so unbalanced" when it's just blatant lack of knowledge on the subject if you say it's cliche'd. The characters (When compared to FF8's characters who all felt weak and uneducated or FF9's generic WHM, SMN, DRG archetypes), were at the very least fun to play, even if you ignore their personalities. And (This part is not opinion, it's fact) apart from FFXI, the Materia system was the most balanced system in a Final Fantasy game in the past 15 years.
Shiva.Flionheart said: edit: Oh and in fact I didn't say anything negative about VII here, you just jumped in to defend a game lol. I wasn't defending anything. I just know that when you're posting in an FF7 thread, it's just to gloat about how you think you're so superior because you can insult topics generally regarded as favorable, with no real basis in reality.
Sure it was Enternius.
You're a fanboy and you can't handle someone having a differing opinion on a game than you. At least admit it you tool.
Ramuh.Vinvv
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-02-11 13:09:07
Fenrir.Enternius said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Mediocre =/= Bad
And yes, that is how opinions work, I think FFIX is better, therefore to me it was better.
Deal with it?
Mediocre = average or less than average. That's something you say about the new John Mayer album, not about a game that's almost exclusively heralded as the best game of all time.
WAH U SAID 9 IS BETTER!!!! GRRARRR IT IS NOT!, I AM GOING TO NOW SAY THINGS ABOUT 9 THAT I WANT TO INSULT AND FURTHER PROMOTE 7!!!!
Shiva.Flionheart said: edit: Oh and in fact I didn't say anything negative about VII here, you just jumped in to defend a game lol. I wasn't defending anything. I just know that when you're posting in an FF7 thread, it's just to gloat about how you think you're so superior because you can insult topics generally regarded as favorable, with no real basis in reality. Now you are militantly defending it lol.
and there aren't as many John Mayer fanboys around here to /ragefit about you saying that about his new album lol.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 13:09:21
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Btw you guys know there is a version of FF7 available for PC with a complete overhaul to sound, graphics and animation.
Yeah, it was pretty neat.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-02-11 13:09:21
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Nooo no no no please for the love of god SE do NOT use voice acting for a FF7 remake, do not tamper with a cult classic...
Yeah, I really hope they don't. STAR OCEAN 2 SUP. Maybe have voices for some of the major CSes, but most certainly not for the majority of the game. I'll shank a *** if I have to listen to Yuffie more than 5sec.
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By Asura.Yunalaysca 2011-02-11 13:09:32
Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: Leviathan.Niniann said: IE WoW's a better game, but I still enjoy FFXI more. Heresy! i demand a hanging!
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-02-11 13:10:22
You know they are going to lol. I wouldn't mind it really, they normally only use it for CS's anyway, not all of it completely.
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2011-02-11 13:10:30
Asura.Yunalaysca said: Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: Leviathan.Niniann said: IE WoW's a better game, but I still enjoy FFXI more. Heresy! i demand a hanging! Hanging? This deserves being hanged, drawn and quartered!
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-02-11 13:11:20
Shiva.Flionheart said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Btw you guys know there is a version of FF7 available for PC with a complete overhaul to sound, graphics and animation.
Yeah, it was pretty neat. iirc the sound quality from midis is ***, and the graphics don't look that much different.
I had a friend telling me about it awhile back, but I do indeed have the pc version :D
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-02-11 13:11:48
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Btw you guys know there is a version of FF7 available for PC with a complete overhaul to sound, graphics and animation.
I've heard of it, but I thought it was just a patch for the original PC version (which I don't have, I guess I could torrent it?). And I've heard it's shitty on newer computers is this true/false? D:
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By Asura.Yunalaysca 2011-02-11 13:11:49
Leviathan.Niniann said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Nooo no no no please for the love of god SE do NOT use voice acting for a FF7 remake, do not tamper with a cult classic...
Yeah, I really hope they don't. STAR OCEAN 2 SUP. Maybe have voices for some of the major CSes, but most certainly not for the majority of the game. I'll shank a *** if I have to listen to Yuffie more than 5sec. i felt like that after meeting her in CC
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 13:12:40
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Btw you guys know there is a version of FF7 available for PC with a complete overhaul to sound, graphics and animation.
Yeah, it was pretty neat. iirc the sound quality from midis is ***, and the graphics don't look that much different.
I had a friend telling me about it awhile back, but I do indeed have the pc version :D
The remade version had the Black mages covering all the tracks and it was pretty cool.
My friend made a few changes to it though, and used orchestrated versions of all the songs instead at really high quality.
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-02-11 13:13:07
Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: Asura.Yunalaysca said: Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: Leviathan.Niniann said: IE WoW's a better game, but I still enjoy FFXI more. Heresy! i demand a hanging! Hanging? This deserves being hanged, drawn and quartered!
Q________Q
BUT WoW HAS FLYING MOUNTS? CAN YOU RIDE DRAGONS IN FFXI? I THINK NAWT!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-11 13:13:10
Leviathan.Niniann said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Btw you guys know there is a version of FF7 available for PC with a complete overhaul to sound, graphics and animation.
I've heard of it, but I thought it was just a patch for the original PC version (which I don't have, I guess I could torrent it?). And I've heard it's shitty on newer computers is this true/false? D:
It runs fine on Windows 7, there's a patch for it specifically.
yeah yeah i know: beat a dead horse.
but i came across something just a moment ago, something about Tetsuya Nomura revealing a top secret highly demanded title to be brought to light in 2011, i believe it was in a press conference in december. alot of people were speculating it was the final fantasy VII remake that millions of people were begging for, or for KH3. I personally dont know if it would be for KH3 since we kind of knew about it already thus fore go the "top secret". thoughts?
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