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http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Magic_Affinity
its in there

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negative mate.. the ToM staves are calculated additively to atma, whereas the +15% boost from Aquilo's for example is calculated AFTER atma.. makes them VERY close when its just +3 affinity..

Close or not, the +3 will be better. Not to mention they're upgradable whereas the elemental ones aren't.

Aquilo's Staff can get a MAB+3 augment. >.> That's kind of upgradeable.

Note when using atmas within Abyssea: Staves upgraded through the Trial of the Magians quests are calculated differently to the level 51 staves. Magic affinity on magian staves is added and not multiplied to any elemental damage+ atmas. For example using Varuna's Staff +2 and Atma of the Beyond will result in a total of +60% to all ice spells (+30% from Atma and +30% from staff). Using Aquilo's Staff and Atma of the Beyond will result in a total of +49.5% to ice spells (100%+30% from Atma)x15% from staff.

Curiously, this calculation difference causes the level 51 elemental staves to gain strength while using atma which increase magic affinity. As shown in the previous example, using Varuna's Staff +2 with Atma of the Beyond yields a total affinity bonus of 1.6 (60%); however, wielding the level 51 HQ elemental staves actually grant an extra 4.5% bonus to affinity due to the multiplication (130% x 15% = 149.5% instead of 130% + 15% = 145%) Ultimately, the level 51 elemental staves experience greater growth with higher degrees of base (without either staff) magic affinity; however, the base magic affinity required for a level 51 elemental stave to even equal a Magian stave is at least 200% base affinity (200% x 1.15 = 230% HQ stave vs 200% + 30% = 230% Magian stave).


THIS is all I'm saying..... this is taken straight from the wiki

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I know what you are talking about, and I'm stating that with just 30% damage from atama affinity, a +3 affinity staff will still beat an elemental stave for damage. The only one with potential to beat magian would be ice due to the INT on it.

Josh doesn't seem to get what I'm saying Aust. And given the example I took off the wiki, they are comparitively close.. if you use the lightning atmas as an example, the Jupiter's staff should actually edge it out.. that 5 int isn't gonna make or break anything

And yes josh, this still applies...they haven't changed the entire dmg calculation on ToM just because they hit 95. They were always like this, and still are.

No it won't, but I'm saying that's the only one that would potentially beat the +3 for pure damage with just 30% damage in affinity. Even if it's only 30 points of damage, the +3 is better with only +2 affinity damage from atmas.

Who's Josh?

wat wait how?

and for the record, the above calculation was varuna+2, (30%) over Hq staff, so you would have to decrease the value for teiwaz, since +3 affinity is 20%... so let's go ahead and -10 from the above example...(since we can do that, since ToM staves are simply additive)

so ToM +3 affinity is 50% then since the above example used beyond + staff (30 from beyond and 20 from staff), so that yields +50%, whereas the HQ staff as stated above, is 49.5%.. are you really gonna say ToM staff is THAT much better? its .5% inside with beyond..

Lets go ahead and use Thunder Auster, which has 2 accepted dmg+ atma, ToM staff would be 20 + 30 + 30 = 80. So +180% dmg (100 from normal spell dmg + the bonuses...sorry if i'm breaking this down too much, but its just easier to understand that way...

Now Jupiter's staff on the other hand, will get +30 from blinding horn, + 30 from lion just like the ToM staff, then add in the 15% bonus from Jupiter's we get 30 + 30 = 60 so 15% added to 160 (100 from spell dmg) we get 160 + 15% (24) = 184% total bonus... so Jupiter's actually beats ToM Teiwaz with +3 when using both lion and blinding horn atmas.. its not much but it does win...

Waitaminit? WTF? Where?

Jos...sorry i always read it as Josh :P

I know how the ***works dude. I was just saying, with your previous example, that the +3 is better.

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bolded cuz i was strictly talking about Jupiter's in that post, when you said no it wont...and it does.. not trying to be a douche..just pointing out that the HQ staves really aren't ALL that much worse, comparitively, inside aby, and outside, the +3 affinity to +2 affinity, is only 5% diff..which Art, may not want to do... ok i'm out..i'll back read when i get back

quick edit before i go.. i know you said +30% dmg in affinity (which you were correct), where as when I was talking about Jupiter's, I meant with both atma..there is no reason not to use both....thats why thunder dmg is calc'd in favor of the Jupiter's.. if you have both thunder atma (same with fire) there is no reason to not use them in the atma build..hence the situation changes...not an attack on you Auster, perhaps a misunderstanding between the 2 of us... idk why you'd only use 1 lightning atma...makes no sense

Oh, I'm sorry. I kinda figured when I was talking about 5 INT that it was obvious I was talking about the damn ice staff and ice magic.

Hmmm?

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