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 Fenrir.Niflheim
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2025-03-27 09:58:48
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This type of regulation just creates a moat around the big social media platforms. Similar to bank regulations which push smaller banks out of business as they can't keep up with the increasing regulation burden, these regulations prevent new competition due to the regulatory burden that has an associated cost that a small start up will be unable to sustain.

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By Pantafernando 2025-03-27 10:00:51
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I would love spending a couple of years in UK.

I dont need freedom of speech, only freedom of bark?

If they decide to censor even the barking, then we need to bite it back
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By Afania 2025-03-27 10:32:31
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
The transition toward authoritarianism on the left is really rough to watch.


I don't think simply restrict certain speech or action is inherently authoritarianism. Authoritarianism to me means the law making process is determined by one or a few individuals. If one or a few individuals decided that certain things can't be said or done, then it is authoritarianism. Because their decision isn't approved by people.

However, if the society mostly agree that certain things can't be said or done, and voted for lawmakers to make such laws, then it is not authoritarianism. Because the restriction is the result of democratic process, and it is agreed by most people.

The core problem here is, if people in a society don't have a consensus on what is tolerable action or speech and what is not, then this society is inherently more divided. A unified society generally would have an agreement on what speech and action is acceptable, and where the red line should be.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2025-03-27 10:45:16
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Afania said: »
if the society mostly agree that certain things can't be said or done, and voted for lawmakers to make such laws, then it is not authoritarianism
I dont have a say in the UK laws, but their law threatens to change my experience on websites.

I would probably care less if the consequence for not compiling was some type of national IP ban there by disabling the website's ability to "harm" UK citizens. rather than some crazy fine that they expect them to pay.

I would like to see the sites just ban access from the UK region as a result, to avoid dealing with the threat of the fines by meeting the demands.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2025-03-27 10:53:41
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Drayco said: »
Best way to solve this problem, remove the anonymity. If you're going to say racist and hateful stuff, everybody is going to know exactly who you are when you say it.

Facebook largely does this and people still spew that nonsense. In fact, I see considerably more toxicity, racism, etc on FB where people are posting under their own names than I do on forums like this one and others I follow/post in. This is probably a moderation problem, but it dispels the idea I grew up with that people on the internet are toxic because they are anonymous - turns out groups of people are just toxic in general.

I agree in theory, you'd think the risk of posting that ***under your real name would deter people - but it doesn't, it's all over the place, under real names (mostly).

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Go spend any amount of time in VR Chat if you wanna see just how bad kids have gotten.

I've been playing 33 Immortals lately and the best part about it - there is no chat feature. It's a multiplayer game where everyone has to kindof figure out what others are doing without actually talking, kindof like some of the MP features in Dark Souls games, and it's really nice because you don't have to deal with toxic *** - adults or children.

I am extremely hesitant to play most online games purely because of the toxicity. It may seem soft, but I have enough negativity going on - I don't need to inject more in my free time/hobbies than I already do to myself. This is especially bad in the FPS community, but you see it in other games too.
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By Viciouss 2025-03-27 10:55:41
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Fenrir.Niflheim said: »
I dont have a say in the UK laws, but their law threatens to change my experience on websites.

Feels like fearmongering. The US had a Kids Online Safety bill sail through the Senate last year, 91-3. Even the current authoritarian in the WH supported it. This UK bill is almost an exact replica. It's not censoring "things they don't like," (this is where the part about lying comes in) but rather making sure things like porn and terrorist links aren't allowed on a website accessible by minors. How is that gonna change your experience?
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By Josiahafk 2025-03-27 11:05:45
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RadialArcana said: »
The UK has created a new "online safety bill" that is intended to censor the internet of things they don't like. They are threatening a fine of 18million for any website, forum or online service that does not comply with its ridiculous censorship policies (they are probably going to try this on with any video game that offers service to the UK too).

Some hobby forums and online games based in the UK have already closed, out of fear of the fines and being unable to moderate/censor to the degree they demand.

They have no power over companies based in the US (even though they are pretending they do, and are sending threatening emails from Ofcom to companies based in / hosted in the US), especially not with Republicans in control. I doubt xiah will get the email/letter but it's entirely possible.
FFXIAH is designed to have all swears and offensive text bleeped out when an anonymous scrapper comes along from a company, so they should not find any issues with us, no worries Arcane
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2025-03-27 11:24:13
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Viciouss said: »

Feels like fearmongering. The US had a Kids Online Safety bill sail through the Senate last year, 91-3. Even the current authoritarian in the WH supported it. This UK bill is almost an exact replica. It's not censoring "things they don't like," (this is where the part about lying comes in) but rather making sure things like porn and terrorist links aren't allowed on a website accessible by minors. How is that gonna change your experience?

I can't go to Sesame Street and be like
A is for Atomic
B is for Bomb
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By Drayco 2025-03-27 11:48:15
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Asura.Iamaman said: »

The worst offenders I've seen on FB all use fake accounts. Unless their parents really did name them Ilene Eulick.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-03-27 11:53:52
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Drayco said: »
Unless their parents really did name them Ilene Eulick.
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By Asura.Vyre 2025-03-27 13:42:58
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That's quitter's talk, Richybear! You go on Sesame Street and up pump the jam!
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By Dodik 2025-03-27 14:31:05
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Pantafernando said: »
I dont need freedom of speech, only freedom of bark?

Dogs are required to be muzzled in public places, Panta.

And the "online safety bill" has nothing to do with "protecting children".

You are already required to put your name on a list if you want unfiltered internet in the uk. The filter is not just for porn, though that was the claim.

The ISPs have put everything they don't like into the "porn filter" including proxies, VPNs, live sports websites, P2P sites, anime sites, basically anything that does not pay the ISP money for bandwidth.

And it's a network level block not a DNS that can be bypassed trivially.

The net situation in the UK is worse than china even. At least in China you can access anything in China without blocks.

In any case, the law is about as relevant to any company or site outside the UK as their existing porn filter is.

Which is to say not at all. UK laws do not apply outside the uk. They have no claim to any compensation or anything requiring a site to make any changes from this.

Yes, they could force ISPs to block access to any site that does not comply. Good luck with not having internet.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-03-27 15:06:11
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Sounds dystopian
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By Asura.Vyre 2025-03-27 15:22:16
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Idk, there's a certain charm to teaching the youth about atomic bombs simultaneously with the alphabet.
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By Josiahafk 2025-03-27 15:43:31
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Asura.Vyre said: »
Idk, there's a certain charm to teaching the youth about atomic bombs simultaneously with the alphabet.
W is for waterboard
I is for infidel

"today I learned about the alfbet, and the guneeva convention"
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-03-27 15:48:28
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Sounds like political discourse
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By Bismarck.Josiahflaming 2025-03-27 16:15:03
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Stumbled upon a new type of uncanny valley today,

you have all been warned.
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By Afania 2025-03-27 16:34:14
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Dodik said: »
The net situation in the UK is worse than china even. At least in China you can access anything in China without blocks


No not really, in China you have to provide real name just to use internet, not just the filtered content.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_real-name_system_in_China

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The Internet real-name system in China is a real-name system in which Internet service providers and Internet content providers (especially user-generated content sites) in the People's Republic of China are required to collect users' real names, ID numbers, and other information when providing services.

On top of that, any content in the firewall are heavily censored. What's being censored or not depends on the mood of the higher ups. Like sometimes you may find talking about egg prices being too sensitive because it could sound like criticizing government, then you may find your posts about egg prices disappear.

That being said, vpn is popular, so you can technically have freedom if you use vpn to visit foreign sites. Except the law* says only government approved vpn is legal. In other words, even if you use vpn, you are still sending data to the government.

Oh and btw, no porn within the Chinese firewall because porn is bad according to the government. Except the one that hasn't get caught and shut down.

tl;Dr: if you think any of the western democratic country is anywhere close to China when it comes to freedom, then you need some real experience living there lol.

*Wiki says this law is from the interim regulations of PRC on Administration of international networking of computer information networks order 195 of the state council.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2025-03-27 16:35:56
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Its bad.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-03-27 16:44:08
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Bismarck.Josiahflaming said: »
Stumbled upon a new type of uncanny valley today,

you have all been warned.
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By Afania 2025-03-27 16:47:43
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One thing that's inherently tied to Internet real-name system in China is that because you can't use internet anonymously, so rl harassment from your internet post is a common weapon being used by internet haters. There are all kinds of tools or insider leaks to search for the user's real name and id.

So you still think China has good internet environment? Lol.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-03-27 16:48:36
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Well its a good thing we play a Japanese game here and not a Chinese game.
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By Asura.Vyre 2025-03-27 17:07:18
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Nynja simping for cardboard cutout hologram lady? :O!
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By Bismarck.Josiahflaming 2025-03-27 18:42:58
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Afania said: »
One thing that's inherently tied to Internet real-name system in China is that because you can't use internet anonymously, so rl harassment from your internet post is a common weapon being used by internet haters. There are all kinds of tools or insider leaks to search for the user's real name and id.

So you still think China has good internet environment? Lol.
There is potential for a way to keep information private as a form of this

Have everyone get provincal,prefecture/state ID at a pre-determined age like 18 (similar to real ID or a driver's license, allow it to function for those once you unlock them), registering with the state their age, online name chosen, address etc. The state then sends the certified name to the database with nothing more. Just that the name exists in database is proof that you've been certified as a real human of age.

That way only people with these registered names can use websites by creating an account with that forced username, and the website has no idea who you are or your personal info, they only know "this person has an ID that is in the database, so they have been certified so they are safe to enter the website" etc

That way kids will not be able to access any of the age restricted websites because they haven't registered a username yet, and anyone with a username chosen means "you dont need to know anything about me except I have been certified in person as old enough to use your service" so the individual stays anonymous in the website's eyes. And the website cannot ask any personal information about you, to exploit or sell etc (which means it would also require a lot of cookie retention reform too for this aspect of it to be plausible)
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-03-27 18:50:33
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Asura.Vyre said: »
Nynja simping for cardboard cutout hologram lady? :O!
Did i stutter???
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By buttplug 2025-03-27 19:49:23
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What are your guys favorite original Playstation and PS2 games?

Playstation > Final Fantasy Tactics
PS2 > Disgaea
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By Draylo 2025-03-27 22:21:56
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Viciouss said: »
Good for the UK.

This is a guy who loved the new snow white movie
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By Viciouss 2025-03-27 22:23:44
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Draylo said: »
Viciouss said: »
Good for the UK.

This is a guy who loved the new snow white movie

More like this is a guy that never believes RA's idiocy. And as it turns out, I was right.
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By Pantafernando 2025-03-28 01:07:45
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buttplug said: »
What are your guys favorite original Playstation and PS2 games?

Playstation > Final Fantasy Tactics
PS2 > Disgaea

PS1 > FF7
PS2 > I could say FFXI, but as I played it on Xbox, then FFXII.
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By Pantafernando 2025-03-28 01:08:32
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But in terms of hours, Winning Eleven on both consoles would be a possibility too
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