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Yay for illegal methods on this forum.

I thought I read somewhere in the rules stating that these threads should not exist....let me check that for ya....

Ok, nope, its not on the forum rules.

But it should be. Nothing asks for a major banhammer (or a strong search by the STFU) than people talking about illegal third party tools or illegal methods (changing .dats and all that....for cosmetic purposes.....still are against the ToS I believe. If it isn't, it should be >.>)

Ok, flame away (FFXIAH.com casts Flamaga on Korpg. No effect on Korpg.)

When will you people learn; If SE were going to ban people for Windower, 70% of the playerbase would have been banned by now. >.>

Unless you use plugins to increase movement speed or claiming etc. They really don't care.

Yay for illegal methods on this forum.

I thought I read somewhere in the rules stating that these threads should not exist....let me check that for ya....

Ok, nope, its not on the forum rules.

But it should be. Nothing asks for a major banhammer (or a strong search by the STFU) than people talking about illegal third party tools or illegal methods (changing .dats and all that....for cosmetic purposes.....still are against the ToS I believe. If it isn't, it should be >.>)

Ok, flame away (FFXIAH.com casts Flamaga on Korpg. No effect on Korpg.)

The irony of people arguing that Windower is cheating on a FFXIAH.com message board never ceases to amuse me.

You guys do know we're the same people, right? The core technology behind Windower, and the core technology behind FFXIAH.com, were both written by Cliff, one of our site admins. Hell, even I was around during most of the original development of Windower. (Leave it to a samurai to dream up seeing group members' TP.) The maintenance of the Windower code base has since been taken over by another development group with a slightly different ideology, but the point is the same.

Did you know that at one point, the extended macro system that Windower has now was actually a fully-featured reactive scripting system? You could automate your entire character. You could conceivably teach it how to pull, how to buff and heal your group when they needed it, how to fight mobs, even how to automatically do missions and quests, and then give those scripts to other people. I still have a copy of the prototype -- it works quite well.

Did you know that if we wanted to, we could so dramatically improve the Crafting section on FFXIAH.com that it could automatically compute the exact best personalized money-making synth for you at any moment, based off over a dozen existing market figures, day/crystal combinations, and your players' synth skills? We have the data -- it wouldn't be hard to implement.

But the scripting system for Windower was never released, and you will never see that kind of crafting functionality on FFXIAH.com.

Why not?

As per my previous post in this thread, because Terms of Service agreements are not legally binding documents, the only "rules" in FF: Online are what any given GM tells any given person on any given day. Everything else is just guidelines. But what will make SE start banning people indiscriminately is if a particular tool starts to give enough of an unfair advantage that they begin to lose subscribers over it. As such, it is our duty as 3rd party developers to make sure our tools never cross that line.

But to sit on an FFXIAH.com message board and accuse Windower users of "cheating," due to some non-existent ethical violation, is quite simply laughable.

Anye, I have a fully updated list that my friend compiled (he's a bit of a nerd to be honest), it has more or less all of the new gear. I can upload it to my webspace if you like and link you to it.

Since it's my thread, I'm requesting it be closed since Arty answered my question XD Thanks Art!

Korpg you are a complete tool, why do you always have to be the *** of the forum?

If you don’t have anything constructive to add say nothing and stop being an attention *** >_>

There's no longer anything against Windower in the ToS. The only reason it was "Bad" was because it was windowed mode, but SE released that themselves so they aren't going to ban you for that.

Plugins are just fancy calculators. Still nothing special.

When will you people learn; If SE were going to ban people for Windower, 70% of the playerbase would have been banned by now. >.>

Unless you use plugins to increase movement speed or claiming etc. They really don't care.

But to sit on an FFXIAH.com message board and accuse Windower users of "cheating," due to some non-existent ethical violation, is quite simply laughable.

(FFXIAH.com casts Flamaga on Korpg. No effect on Korpg.)

Yay for illegal methods on this forum.

I thought I read somewhere in the rules stating that these threads should not exist....let me check that for ya....

Ok, nope, its not on the forum rules.

But it should be. Nothing asks for a major banhammer (or a strong search by the STFU) than people talking about illegal third party tools or illegal methods (changing .dats and all that....for cosmetic purposes.....still are against the ToS I believe. If it isn't, it should be >.>)

Ok, flame away (FFXIAH.com casts Flamaga on Korpg. No effect on Korpg.)

Since it's my thread, I'm requesting it be closed since Arty answered my question XD Thanks Art!

Nothing against the game performance, but "illegal" being it uses the copyright of SE in an unauthorized manner. Its still against the ToS (and most international copywrite laws, except for China) so its still considered "illegal."

But, I don't want to seem the hypocrite (or however you spell it, I just don't care anymore)

Should activities that are against ToS be promoted on this site? If SE felt it needed, they could sue this site and close it down for promotion of illegal programs against its interests.

Nothing against the game performance, but "illegal" being it uses the copyright of SE in an unauthorized manner. Its still against the ToS (and most international copywrite laws, except for China) so its still considered "illegal."

But, I don't want to seem the hypocrite (or however you spell it, I just don't care anymore) so I'm just wanting to question the forum rules a little.

Should activities that are against ToS be promoted on this site? If SE felt it needed, they could sue this site and close it down for promotion of illegal programs against its interests.

Using the term "illegal" is abit silly. There are no law violations whatsoever. If anything it's a minor violation of a contract/agreement made based on their policy and the only punishable act is a warning, slap on the wrist or ban. Nobody is going to be put behind bars for viewing, modifying dats or even using 3rd party hacks.

Why do you always start ***then? If you truly don't care, don't post.

This isn't promoting, it's a simple discussion on a very loose ruled message board forum. And in case you haven't noticed, look at what advertisements this site runs on to stay up. Also SE really can't use anything here against us since it's credibility is nil.

Anyone know of any other .dat file viewer comparable to AltanaView that I can use? Something that allows me to use current dats~ Thanks!

"Illegal" in the sense that its against the ToS. Worst SE can do would be to sue you for taking their copywrite and transforming it into an image for your own self promotion (regardless of making a profit or not). I seriously doubt that SE will take that action because it A) costs too much money, and B) hurts their reputation with gamers.

The part about international copywrite laws is an exception of the fact though. International laws are very hard about copywrite infringements, to the point that you have to pay out the *** if caught. In Japan, you can get 15 years in jailtime + have to pay.....I believe.....100 million yen or so. This could be using windower also, something as minor as that. They don't care, if you do anything illegally, you are pretty much screwed in that context.









Thats promotion of a tool that takes copywrite protected files and change them into....well....anything. Its still against the ToS. Its still against international copywrite laws. It still can give SE an excuse to sue this site and shut it down (if they really wanted to, but who knows, they might if it is serious enough).

But, since I know people are going to see this post and think "Korpg is talking, lets not read what he says" and proceed to flame away, go ahead. My points are valid, and seriously should be considered by Jaerik and Scragg.

Thats promotion of a tool that takes copywrite protected files and change them into....well....anything. Its still against the ToS. Its still against international copywrite laws. It still can give SE an excuse to sue this site and shut it down (if they really wanted to, but who knows, they might if it is serious enough).

Anye, I have a fully updated list that my friend compiled (he's a bit of a nerd to be honest), it has more or less all of the new gear. I can upload it to my webspace if you like and link you to it.

The bigger topic is...

Why even use .dat viewers? You look at a buncha equipment/spells... What's so interesting about that?

Then again, my girlfriend loves Sims, and all you do half the time is watch the Sim run around doing random stuff... Seriously, what's so interesting about that?

"Illegal" in the sense that its against the ToS. Worst SE can do would be to sue you for taking their copywrite and transforming it into an image for your own self promotion (regardless of making a profit or not). I seriously doubt that SE will take that action because it A) costs too much money, and B) hurts their reputation with gamers.

The part about international copywrite laws is an exception of the fact though. International laws are very hard about copywrite infringements, to the point that you have to pay out the *** if caught. In Japan, you can get 15 years in jailtime + have to pay.....I believe.....100 million yen or so. This could be using windower also, something as minor as that. They don't care, if you do anything illegally, you are pretty much screwed in that context.

Thats promotion of a tool that takes copywrite protected files and change them into....well....anything. Its still against the ToS. Its still against international copywrite laws. It still can give SE an excuse to sue this site and shut it down (if they really wanted to, but who knows, they might if it is serious enough).

But, since I know people are going to see this post and think "Korpg is talking, lets not read what he says" and proceed to flame away, go ahead. My points are valid, and seriously should be considered by Jaerik and Scragg.

My points are not valid

The irony of people arguing that Windower is cheating on a FFXIAH.com message board never ceases to amuse me.

You guys do know we're the same people, right? The core technology behind Windower, and the core technology behind FFXIAH.com, were both written by Cliff, one of our site admins. Hell, even I was around during most of the original development of Windower. (Leave it to a samurai to dream up seeing group members' TP.) The maintenance of the Windower code base has since been taken over by another development group with a slightly different ideology, but the point is the same.

Did you know that at one point, the extended macro system that Windower has now was actually a fully-featured reactive scripting system? You could automate your entire character. You could conceivably teach it how to pull, how to buff and heal your group when they needed it, how to fight mobs, even how to automatically do missions and quests, and then give those scripts to other people. I still have a copy of the prototype -- it works quite well.

Did you know that if we wanted to, we could so dramatically improve the Crafting section on FFXIAH.com that it could automatically compute the exact best personalized money-making synth for you at any moment, based off over a dozen existing market figures, day/crystal combinations, and your players' synth skills? We have the data -- it wouldn't be hard to implement.

But the scripting system for Windower was never released, and you will never see that kind of crafting functionality on FFXIAH.com.

Why not?

As per my previous post in this thread, because Terms of Service agreements are not legally binding documents, the only "rules" in FF: Online are what any given GM tells any given person on any given day. Everything else is just guidelines. But what will make SE start banning people indiscriminately is if a particular tool starts to give enough of an unfair advantage that they begin to lose subscribers over it. As such, it is our duty as 3rd party developers to make sure our tools never cross that line.

But to sit on an FFXIAH.com message board and accuse Windower users of "cheating," due to some non-existent ethical violation, is quite simply laughable.