|
|
redefining our macros
Asura.Baroma
Serveur: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 437
By Asura.Baroma 2011-02-04 21:21:21
With the anticipation of the changes made to our macro lines, it will change the way we play, making us even lazier /stares at Sumononit... But anyways, I. Just wanted to see what macros you guys could come up with to fully utalize its potential.
Personally I can see how it will effect Pups with being able to do more manuevers and even crazy Sc deploy MB things. What other jobs will be able to be the king of lazy macros. Try to limit it to 1 macro for the uber move.
Bahamut.Dasva
Serveur: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 13835
By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-02-04 21:25:08
Are you talking about the wait thing? Doesn't sound like it will do much. Effectively on average add a line or 2.
Might be useful for making ingame count timer maccros I guess with calls and such
Ragnarok.Nekonarf
Serveur: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 629
By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2011-02-04 21:25:39
macro line changes? all they are doing is allowing us to put wait into the same line as whatever you want a pause on
still limits you to 6 equipment changes per macro which is what a majority of people run into as a problem.
[+]
Asura.Baroma
Serveur: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 437
By Asura.Baroma 2011-02-04 21:33:15
Yeah exactly, 5 total commands with /wait rather than 3.
I'm not referring to gear swaps. Just actions. JAs WSs and that nature
Ragnarok.Nekonarf
Serveur: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 629
By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2011-02-04 21:38:42
I don't understand what you would need wait for, then again using Windower since like a week after I started, then learned of that crazy thing called spellcast.
[+]
Serveur: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 36553
By Asura.Ludoggy 2011-02-04 21:40:16
I'm thinking...it will help console users.
Everyone else has been using spellcast/windower macros for awhile. and if you are on pc and not using spellcast or windower, you probably dont have good macros in the first place.
Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 40
By Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo 2011-02-04 21:40:38
The new macros will be as useful as a person with 37 sub job at 90.
[+]
Bahamut.Dasva
Serveur: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 13835
By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-02-04 21:41:56
Yeah honestly I don't see how this will do much. Waits weren't a big deal it was all the actions and gear swappings that hurt. Guess it would've been nice back in the day for afk fishing
Serveur: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
Posts: 27
By Phoenix.Probester 2011-02-04 22:03:41
Can someone post a link for this so i can read up on it myself
Serveur: Sylph
Game: FFXI
Posts: 15066
By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-02-04 22:05:04
It won't change anything if you previously were not playing on an inferior system (hello ps2/xbox). Though, instead of pc-5, you upgrade to pc minus 4
[+]
Bismarck.Maxse
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1197
By Bismarck.Maxse 2011-02-04 22:05:39
Phoenix.Probester said: Can someone post a link for this so i can read up on it myself
What is there to read up on you can put /wait in same line as any other action rather than a separate line for wait.
[+]
Ragnarok.Nekonarf
Serveur: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 629
By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2011-02-05 02:02:48
Caitsith.Kilorilo said: Question; how do people play with hitting 2-3 macros to do 1 thing ?
not efficiently, that's how.
[+]
Asura.Baroma
Serveur: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 437
By Asura.Baroma 2011-02-05 02:15:49
well, from a pups perspective, i guess this has the most use out of it.
doing 4 manuevers with a deploy <with condenser of course> at the end just as an example.
WSing, im trying to think of the most times 1 macro can WS now, i guess just 3 assuming /sam, paired with Tactical Switch. But getting the timer down right may be the kicker if trying to add a MB deploy to the macro lol. i still am trying to write that one out... an attempt to be creative.
mainly just wondering if any other uses like this could be used on the other jobs as well, but i cant really see it either.
Carbuncle.Lynxblade
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1654
By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-02-05 02:24:13
Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo said: The new macros will be as useful as a person with 37 sub job at 90. Oh damn, guess I should get nin to 45, so im not gimp >_> dumbass
[+]
Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 40
By Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo 2011-02-05 05:04:04
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo said: The new macros will be as useful as a person with 37 sub job at 90. Oh damn, guess I should get nin to 45, so im not gimp >_> dumbass
Oh I'm sorry, is it elitist of me to think in this age of abyssea parties people should not have their subs leveled? Or should I just refer to your paladin as a basis for everything that is right in this game?
gtfo, punk *** trick
[+]
Bahamut.Eorphere
Serveur: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 386
By Bahamut.Eorphere 2011-02-05 05:19:16
The funny thing is, some people who do hit 2-3 macros are still more efficient than many who don't. Granted, if said people only had to hit 1 macro, I assume they would be more efficient. However, in some cases it shouldn't matter if you are fast enough. For example: when casting a nuke, as long as the first macro you hit is the actual spell, if you are fast enough, you can get the other macros (sorc. ring proc, multiple gear changes, etc.) in before you would do anything else anyway. Though, in abyssea, this is getting harder and harder since even tier 4 spells can land well before the bar is at 100%. So, yea, I agree that efficiency is a potential cost, and with the new changes it seems that that cost is continually growing. But still, depending on what you are doing, the difference (if you are good) can be minimal.
[+]
Ragnarok.Calif
Serveur: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 33
By Ragnarok.Calif 2011-02-05 07:13:09
Bahamut.Eorphere said: The funny thing is, some people who do hit 2-3 macros are still more efficient than many who don't. Granted, if said people only had to hit 1 macro, I assume they would be more efficient.
As a PC user that doesn't use windower, and does hit multiple macros for gearswaps, I'm inclined to agree with you. I know that I'm less efficient, but in general there are short windows of opportunity around spells/JAs/WSs to gearswap with minimal impact.
That being said, there are certain jobs I am disinclined to level because I'm not sure how I can macro them to a level I would class as "good enough" with the inbuilt macroer. However, working within the limitations of the game is all part of the challenge for me.
[+]
Serveur: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 18930
By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-02-05 07:27:39
Asura.Ludoggy said: I'm thinking...it will help console users.
Everyone else has been using spellcast/windower macros for awhile. and if you are on pc and not using spellcast or windower, you probably dont have good macros in the first place.
I never can get spellcast to work right :x
I would use it but >.>
maybe i'll look at it again >.<
Leviathan.Draylo
Serveur: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-02-05 07:29:33
It isn't necessary or even much of an upgrade over regular windower functions imo. Just allows you to be a little bit lazier.
Carbuncle.Lynxblade
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1654
By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-02-05 07:34:42
Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo said: Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo said: The new macros will be as useful as a person with 37 sub job at 90. Oh damn, guess I should get nin to 45, so im not gimp >_> dumbass
Oh I'm sorry, is it elitist of me to think in this age of abyssea parties people should not have their subs leveled? Or should I just refer to your paladin as a basis for everything that is right in this game?
gtfo, punk *** trick Im just saying your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for thinking that nin from 37-45 will make a dif..., this is also why my sam is still at 40
[+]
Leviathan.Draylo
Serveur: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-02-05 07:52:05
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo said: Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo said: The new macros will be as useful as a person with 37 sub job at 90. Oh damn, guess I should get nin to 45, so im not gimp >_> dumbass
Oh I'm sorry, is it elitist of me to think in this age of abyssea parties people should not have their subs leveled? Or should I just refer to your paladin as a basis for everything that is right in this game?
gtfo, punk *** trick Im just saying your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for thinking that nin from 37-45 will make a dif..., this is also why my sam is still at 40
nin gets extra DW lvl at 45 and grellow proc spells at 40
Carbuncle.Lynxblade
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1654
By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-02-05 07:57:52
Leviathan.Draylo said: Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo said: Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: Carbuncle.Kyoroshimo said: The new macros will be as useful as a person with 37 sub job at 90. Oh damn, guess I should get nin to 45, so im not gimp >_> dumbass
Oh I'm sorry, is it elitist of me to think in this age of abyssea parties people should not have their subs leveled? Or should I just refer to your paladin as a basis for everything that is right in this game?
gtfo, punk *** trick Im just saying your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for thinking that nin from 37-45 will make a dif..., this is also why my sam is still at 40
nin gets extra DW lvl at 45 and grellow proc spells at 40 too bad i rarely see those elementel nin tools in ah, also my jobs are drk pld and drg, i dont need DW....
Leviathan.Draylo
Serveur: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-02-05 08:06:52
Point is.. it makes a difference. You are a gimp ***.
Carbuncle.Lynxblade
Serveur: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1654
By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-02-05 08:13:02
Leviathan.Draylo said: Point is.. it makes a difference. You are a gimp ***. my point is, im not gona carry 6stacks of ***, just to trigger 1light, maybee if nin was my main,but i guess you got your loletist head so far up your *** with your 15lvl 90jobs to realize, only reason i sub nin is for utsuemi ni/ichi, i dont have a dualwield job at 90
Serveur: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 18930
By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-02-05 08:18:05
Leviathan.Draylo said: Point is.. it makes a difference. You are a gimp ***.
^
My nin isn't @ 45 yet but I sure as hell won't go on a job that's dependent on it until then :x
Also, is anyone really good with spellcast and care to help me? PM me pl0x
Gilgamesh.Kovalev
Serveur: Gilgamesh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 145
By Gilgamesh.Kovalev 2011-02-05 08:40:58
Ragnarok.Nekonarf said: I don't understand what you would need wait for, then again using Windower since like a week after I started, then learned of that crazy thing called spellcast.
Assassin's Charge, Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, Warrior's Charge, Boost, that kind of stuff. And don't tell me you can put those in another macro then hit your ws macros, you're gonna mess up at times (will land a regular hit before your ws, not counting all the times you're gonna hit it for nothing cause the ability isn't up (i'm not on steroids, a.k.a. windower)) and using 3-4 macros to ws is already quite enough). That would be the melee side of things.
Basically it's only good if it reduces the number of macros you need to hit for w/e action or for when your last macro only re-equips 1 item and you decide to say screw it and don't include that let's say +1 stat boost.
Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2821
By Odin.Sheelay 2011-02-05 08:57:41
I wouldn't even consider it an improvement compared to how useful it would be instead to increase the limit of lines you can put in a single macro.
It's pretty damn useless, considering for the most part the only actions you may be wanting to use /wait for are simple /JAs or limited gear swaps /attack actions that don't require over 6 lines to use properly.
Having to use 2-3 macros just to change from TP to WS or any other gear set is what really messes the game up, as it can result into poorly loaded sets when lagging (missing armor parts) and is really annoying.
Maybe by the time they call it quits they'll figure out that a 12+ line macro would've put PS2/XBox players on par with PC users.
[+]
Cerberus.Kvazz
Serveur: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5345
By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-02-05 09:00:22
Use windower, get unlimited lines!
Edit: Or even better, use spellcast aswell as windower, dont worry about gearswap macroes ever again >_>
Bahamut.Bojack
Serveur: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2175
By Bahamut.Bojack 2011-02-05 09:04:07
Wait for it...they'll cancel the macro change cause of PS2 Limitations, lol.
[+]
With the anticipation of the changes made to our macro lines, it will change the way we play, making us even lazier /stares at Sumononit... But anyways, I. Just wanted to see what macros you guys could come up with to fully utalize its potential.
Personally I can see how it will effect Pups with being able to do more manuevers and even crazy Sc deploy MB things. What other jobs will be able to be the king of lazy macros. Try to limit it to 1 macro for the uber move.
|
|