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Best Job?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 09:18:24
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: Mnk is not a DD it's a tank that's why it's useful unlike DRG. It happens to be a better tank than WAR, but that's old news and has been glorified by SE (perfect counter).
Snaps, Mnk will take less dmg than a war, but the war will kill the monsters faster and as long as you have a whm which mnk also needs the outcome will be the same.
Killing faster + Same outcome = Need mnk because it takes less dmg
Wut?
So what ? Killing x% faster is not useful as long as it does not make the stuff drop faster. This is why THF own MNK and WAR as far as usefullness goes.
Faster kill = easier tanking.
And seeing as you can sub thf and use a treasure hunter atma, I don't think so, jim.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 09:18:29
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: Mnk is not a DD it's a tank that's why it's useful unlike DRG. It happens to be a better tank than WAR, but that's old news and has been glorified by SE (perfect counter).
Snaps, Mnk will take less dmg than a war, but the war will kill the monsters faster and as long as you have a whm which mnk also needs the outcome will be the same.
Killing faster + Same outcome = Need mnk because it takes less dmg
Wut?
So what ? Killing x% faster is not useful as long as it does not make the stuff drops faster.
Ok so, killing monsters faster does not go along with killing more monsters over time?
Are you dumb ? How is killing maybe 10% faster (with the NEED of super high haste buffer) going to beat 30-40%droprate ?
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 09:21:52
Its only a game boys and girls, arguing over who tanks what better, which is the best job, who plays what the most, its something kids do when they are bored and cant be bothered to do their homework.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 09:22:50
Cerberus.Kylos said: Its only a game boys and girls, arguing over who tanks what better, which is the best job, who plays what the most, its something kids do when they are bored and cant be bothered to do their homework.
I assume you've never seen Pimpchan before? She does this all the time, and when she's proven wrong she slinks away.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 09:23:06
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Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 09:23:52
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Quote: Mnk is not a DD it's a tank that's why it's useful unlike DRG. It happens to be a better tank than WAR, but that's old news and has been glorified by SE (perfect counter).
Snaps, Mnk will take less dmg than a war, but the war will kill the monsters faster and as long as you have a whm which mnk also needs the outcome will be the same.
Killing faster + Same outcome = Need mnk because it takes less dmg
Wut?
So what ? Killing x% faster is not useful as long as it does not make the stuff drops faster.
Ok so, killing monsters faster does not go along with killing more monsters over time?
Are you dumb ? How is killing maybe 10% faster (with the NEED of super high haste buffer) going to beat 30-40%droprate ?
What, mnk gives 30-40% TH? Think you dumb bro. Killing 10% faster? Where's the math for that? It's ok, retaliation does no dmg, not like ODD and crits can proc on it while giving TP.
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By Diabolos.Mesheef 2011-01-10 09:25:11
You people are a bunch of fan boys, that or you and your server suck at this game.
DRG not a DD? Yeah well my drg is very poorly geared and one shots in abyssea where as your fabled mnk takes too damn long to kill.
I also saw some little cry baby say that drk rdm and sch are underpowered, I call bullsh*t. First off if you are using rdm and sch as a healer and not rdm for enfeebles and sch for nukes you are killing too damn slow and that is why you need cures.
My rdm can put out 3k+ nukes with bliz 4 and I am certain if I took the time to level sch with my blm and rdm I would do 10k self sc easy.
You want underpowered look at sam even with good atma it doesn't meet a VV RR and gnarled horn nin with afv3+1 gear not on the nin's worst day does the sam come close. Sam used to be the top DD of the game now when I am in abyssea I see people say "I got sam otw" I think great another damn leech, should have just got a pld at least they can pull. Seen Tachi: Fudo Sam's with 5 hit builds VV RR and Would be King get out dd'd by a poorly geared dnc.
You people need to step up your game and realize what jobs really are useful.
Nin > Mnk
Drg > Sam
And remember kids if your sch and rdm are curing your pt sucks.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 09:26:37
Shiva.Flionheart said: Cerberus.Kylos said: Its only a game boys and girls, arguing over who tanks what better, which is the best job, who plays what the most, its something kids do when they are bored and cant be bothered to do their homework.
I assume you've never seen Pimpchan before? She does this all the time, and when she's proven wrong she slinks away.
Still strongly believe that you guys and girls are fighting a lost cause, and wasting your time.
There has been no full on research which can back up any claims onto which is the best job at the moment.
I guess i should just head off to work, so i can have some intelligent conversation, i figured i would come back to this forum and try to find some mature responses, but clearly not going to find any of that in this thread, majority of you just want to prove the other wrong and that will never happen.
Save your breath, get back to your game, respect other players and the job they play, stop being a ***, if you cant do that then go do your homework and get to bed kids.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 09:27:55
Cerberus.Kylos said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Cerberus.Kylos said: Its only a game boys and girls, arguing over who tanks what better, which is the best job, who plays what the most, its something kids do when they are bored and cant be bothered to do their homework.
I assume you've never seen Pimpchan before? She does this all the time, and when she's proven wrong she slinks away.
Still strongly believe that you guys and girls are fighting a lost cause, and wasting your time.
There has been no full on research which can back up any claims onto which is the best job at the moment.
I guess i should just head off to work, so i can have some intelligent conversation, i figured i would come back to this forum and try to find some mature responses, but clearly not going to find any of that in this thread, majority of you just want to prove the other wrong and that will never happen.
Save your breath, get back to your game, respect other players and the job they play, stop being a ***, if you cant do that then go do your homework and get to bed kids.
Being condescending doesn't help anything, bro.
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2011-01-10 09:28:11
Diabolos.Mesheef said: You people are a bunch of fan boys...
DRG not a DD? Yeah well my drg is very poorly geared and one shots in abyssea where as your fabled mnk takes too damn long to kill. Pot kettle?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 09:29:28
Diabolos.Mesheef said: You people are a bunch of fan boys, that or you and your server suck at this game.
DRG not a DD? Yeah well my drg is very poorly geared and one shots in abyssea where as your fabled mnk takes too damn long to kill.
I also saw some little cry baby say that drk rdm and sch are underpowered, I call bullsh*t. First off if you are using rdm and sch as a healer and not rdm for enfeebles and sch for nukes you are killing too damn slow and that is why you need cures.
My rdm can put out 3k+ nukes with bliz 4 and I am certain if I took the time to level sch with my blm and rdm I would do 10k self sc easy.
You want underpowered look at sam even with good atma it doesn't meet a VV RR and gnarled horn nin with afv3+1 gear not on the nin's worst day does the sam come close. Sam used to be the top DD of the game now when I am in abyssea I see people say "I got sam otw" I think great another damn leech, should have just got a pld at least they can pull. Seen Tachi: Fudo Sam's with 5 hit builds VV RR and Would be King get out dd'd by a poorly geared dnc.
You people need to step up your game and realize what jobs really are useful.
Nin > Mnk
Drg > Sam
And remember kids if your sch and rdm are curing your pt sucks.
Got any proof to back up those claims, bob?
edit: apart from the SAM part, everyone knows SAM is shite these days.
But yeah, DRK is pretty bad lol. DRG isn't much better.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 09:30:12
I'm 20.. am I a kid? Skill level in ffxi is graphed as a bell curve with 20 being the peak!
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 09:30:14
Im not that kind of person to look down on others, unless they really do deserve it.
Just my thoughts on the people in this forum and the lack of maturity, off to work now, peace
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 09:31:35
Cerberus.Kylos said: Im not that kind of person to look down on others, unless they really do deserve it.
Just my thoughts on the people in this forum and the lack of maturity, off to work now, peace
It's a web forum based on an MMO.
Welcome to the internet.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 09:31:54
Caitsith.Shiroi said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Diabolos.Mesheef said: You people are a bunch of fan boys, that or you and your server suck at this game.
DRG not a DD? Yeah well my drg is very poorly geared and one shots in abyssea where as your fabled mnk takes too damn long to kill.
I also saw some little cry baby say that drk rdm and sch are underpowered, I call bullsh*t. First off if you are using rdm and sch as a healer and not rdm for enfeebles and sch for nukes you are killing too damn slow and that is why you need cures.
My rdm can put out 3k+ nukes with bliz 4 and I am certain if I took the time to level sch with my blm and rdm I would do 10k self sc easy.
You want underpowered look at sam even with good atma it doesn't meet a VV RR and gnarled horn nin with afv3+1 gear not on the nin's worst day does the sam come close. Sam used to be the top DD of the game now when I am in abyssea I see people say "I got sam otw" I think great another damn leech, should have just got a pld at least they can pull. Seen Tachi: Fudo Sam's with 5 hit builds VV RR and Would be King get out dd'd by a poorly geared dnc.
You people need to step up your game and realize what jobs really are useful.
Nin > Mnk
Drg > Sam
And remember kids if your sch and rdm are curing your pt sucks.
Got any proof to back up those claims, bob?
Well he's right on drg > sam, Nin and Mnk are pretty close but mnk wins mainly due to counters increasing their dps.
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By Luz 2011-01-10 09:32:41
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Cerberus.Kylos said: Im not that kind of person to look down on others, unless they really do deserve it.
Just my thoughts on the people in this forum and the lack of maturity, off to work now, peace
I probably wouldn't base 1 thread on the entire forum's maturity.
Well...
you can for Pchan. That won't change. Tbh the thread didn't/doesn't seem alllll that bad, minus his and my useless banter.
(I consider them equally beneficial right now.) You're hurting your cause xD
By Dipset 2011-01-10 09:36:01
MNK > ALL
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 09:40:36
Gotta love how its usefulness as a tank is founded by its high base hp!
By Luz 2011-01-10 09:42:18
Asura.Buddhsie said:
Gotta love how its usefulness as a tank is founded by its high base hp! Any job can have high HP with merit abyssites and atma. The HP is nice but it's the icing on the cake. Counterstance is where it's at.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 09:47:25
I believe thf dnc and nin tank better than mnk, especially now with all the abyssites of merit. Evasion just seems a bit more reliable than counter to me.
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By Odin.Sinharvest 2011-01-10 10:09:20
Asura.Buddhsie said: I believe thf dnc and nin tank better than mnk, especially now with all the abyssites of merit. Evasion just seems a bit more reliable than counter to me.
Mnk Is B+ in evasion, it can evade just as well as a dnc or nin can.
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By Unicorn.Leoheart 2011-01-10 10:09:41
***.
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By Siren.Screamingbabies 2011-01-10 10:11:07
Odin.Sinharvest said: Asura.Buddhsie said: I believe thf dnc and nin tank better than mnk, especially now with all the abyssites of merit. Evasion just seems a bit more reliable than counter to me.
Mnk Is B+ in evasion, it can evade just as well as a dnc or nin can.
B+ = A- ??
WHA???
A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
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