Arizona Congresswoman Shot At Public Event

Ya Guess Im very late on this one.. But I mean.. Check this out..

You not think this is "politcially motivated?"

Bullseye map

All eyes on Palin?? hmmm

ok so after this im going to bed. ill discuss more tomorrow.

1) unfortunately this guy not only didn't value others life he didn't value his own. capitol punishment for him was not a deterrent. but if you plead that taking away his right to bear arms would have deterred him that is preposterous as well. if he was willing to die for his cause he would have figured out some way to commit the crime. whether stabbing or finding a gun illegally.

2) there is no way to deter this crime

3) You would ideally greatly restrict guns and or other civil liberties, but what about for the things that would be an inconvenience for you? how about if you had to pay taxes so that we could build more prisons, hire more law enforcement, pay more court costs.... thats just for the guns, now on to other things that kill people... now lets restrict driving because we already agreed that vehicular accidents account for more deaths than guns. ok now no one has cars only buses and trains. ok so alcohol is a killer as well as smoking.. it is now illegal to drink or smoke because you cause cancer to you and others... maybe we should start locking up anyone that is part of a gang, because gangs cause violence (rape murder and robberies ect)... the list could go on.

i hope you see this is unreasonable. you cannot make a law that will eliminate crime. not since the dawn of humanity have they been able to do it so to think it is possible is naive. no country that has fewer civil liberties has fewer problems. in fact they often get bigger problems.

4) i dont want absurd massacres either, but throughout history they have happened and no law, government or human effort has stopped this. to think that suddenly we can is absurd. you cannot make a law that will change the heart of all men. the only thing you can do is change yourself. but be aware that crimes will always happen.

5) there arnt only two choices so i wont take the two you gave. id take freedom over slavery with a false sense of security though.

6) if my daughter was killed today i would be greatly saddened but in no way would i blame guns or gun control. the blame falls solely on the man who woke up today with murder in his heart. and at that point i would cry out to God and find some way to forgive him and then id pick up the pieces of my life and bury my daughter.

7) id ask you to reconsider your own views, but id waste my breath. a coward is someone who does the right thing only when its convenient. so in you asking me to choose convenience over right, you ask foolishly.

k im done for the night.

try to reread some of these responses. you may find more wisdom than you think. the issue isnt the guns its people. you tell me how to get people to stop hating and ill gladly take your advise.

Was hoping my NRA story would give some lulz, but it seems to be srs bsns here >.>

k sorry last...

but seriously that is poor logic.

the extreme conservative ideas of conspiracy theorists =/= the ideas of conservatives. they arnt even in the same ball park. to lump them together is unfair and bigoted.

and if you think tea party people are extreme then maybe but its an exponential scale like the Richter scale. one step farther is 10x more. id more call tea party as ultra conservative and conspiracy theorists as lunatics.

you want to band them together so much why dont you point out that most notable conspiracy theorists are white?

you are grasping at straws. you want to draw a connection between this person and conservatives, tea party, SP and the like. did you even read the first couple pages? did you read the news about his myspace or watch his videos? he was more influenced by Hitler than SP or the tea party. are you dumb enough to try and draw connections there?

Only in America

The Sarah Palin 'bullseye' graphics are actually a cross hair. Just wanted to be accurate.

Sorry for duplicate post didn’t see this was here.

This is what I wanted to say about it.

I was reading this and the words that he speaks sound so hauntingly familiar to me. I see this kind of talk on face book and in internet forums. I think it is sad that a person can get so involved in their self and own opinions to the point that they can do something like this.

I don’t know if this has to do with gun control. I think it’s more that some people have lost touch with reality and they somehow use things like Youtube and Facebook to help them decide to take action on things related to their warped sense of reality. To me it’s unjustified craziness. My thoughts are with the victims. This is so sad.

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Also this part:

According to Arizona law: It was an illegal gun to be in possession of. More research needed, sorry. I jumped the gun on that one.

Arizona Gun Laws

And yes they have the death penalty, Arizona authorizes lethal injection for persons sentenced after 11/15/92; those sentenced before that date may select lethal injection or lethal gas.

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lol, I (unfortunately)remember that.

I didn't bother to check your link, but how is a semiautomatic weapon illegal in arizona? Semiautomatic means you pull the rigger once for one shot, almost ALL guns are semiauto.

on the doctor and pitcher note you're being obtuse, however yes if you feel a crime is being comitted it is your right, and duty to stop and or prevent it, if clubbing somebody is how you must do this, then do it.

I feel that if you own property to have a tank on, you can have it and last I checked you can get one, same with most "illegal" weapons, just harder to get.

People cling to guns in the US because it is their damn right to own them.

I read that too quickly, I'm trying to find more details.
It only says that there is no "Assault weapon" law. Meaning there is nothing against it apparently.

There is also the fact it doesn't specifically say what type of gun it was, only it was a semi automatic, and an assault weapon is a non-technical term referring to any of a broad category of firearms with certain features, including some semiautomatic rifles, some pistols, and some shotguns. There are a variety of different statutory definitions of assault weapons in local, state, and federal laws in the United States that define them by a set of characteristics they possess.

So my bad more research is needed into that.

The best link I can provide right now is this one: http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03101.htm

Been browsing this thread and this stuck out to me. I hope I'm just taking it out of context or I missed the sarcasm, because this is ridiculous.

Can you give me a page# lol I can't find it or missed it.

It was last page. Pretty sure it's sarcasm, I'm just slow.

I think almost everyone here is missing the real cause of this tragedy.

It has nothing to do with guns or politics.

The reason behind this is misinformation.

Where the misinformation comes from is irrelevant, as it comes from every aspect of the politic spectrum.

Had this (I won't even say suspect, because he did it, people saw him) lunatic done any research on his own, rather than listening to one-sided (doesn't matter which side) rhetoric, or even looked into methods of non violent protest, this may have been avoided.

Instead he clang to whatever propaganda he was into.

There is also the fact that clearly he took it to an extreme.

Why? We may never know for sure.

That being said, what people like him and others don't realize is that people like Palin, Beck, Moore, etc. are entertainers. They do what they do, because while having a strong belief in what they talk about, they are not leaders, merely entertainers.

If they weren't they would be in a public office, and surely the tone of their propaganda would be toned down dramatically.

However, some politicians, without pointing fingers, have actually started to take lessons from these entertainers and thereby adding to the problem of misinformation.

it was sarcasm used to discredit that same notion on guns.

it was for "wow" effect and entirely out of place

In regards to countries where gun ownership is low and or possession is very strict to the point where it's almost been banned...

This Article was interesting to say the least: Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade

this all may be true but this guy was a wakco...my bother who is on meds for mental problems use to talk the same way about stuff like this. I remember when Mccain picked palin for his vp my bother said " I do not like her and will vote for obama because Governemt is building devices in alaska to control our minds and Palin is allowing this to happen up there" where the hell he got this ***from i have no clue, this guy and others like him where not pushed to kill because they listen to politican from one side or another these people are crazy and we need to fix our mental health system to prevent this, we dont need to ban guns blame republicans blame democrates we need to fix the mental health system so when people start talking HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE ***like this they can be helped before they hurt someone.

[sarcasm]yeah that makes one feel so safe[/sarcasm]

what country is it where they arm all males and require them to be in the military service til like 30? Switzerland?

How's the gun crime rate there? or even crime rate?

While I'm not 100% sure as to whether or not I agree with your premise, I agree with your conclusion, it's a big problem and to be honest it would be very hard to tackle, I think for the most part it's left unchecked due to the effort it would take to get it in line.

oh and to all of you who say guns should be baned, even if you ban guns then you still have crazy's like this who will go out and kill...its not been that long ago that in japan a man went though a line at a store stabing people no one even relized he had a knife on him untill he done killed someone and if i remember right he killed more with a knife then this man killed with a gun.