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Arizona Congresswoman Shot at Public Event
By Luz 2011-01-10 14:36:15
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Artemicion said: Cerberus.Pukushu said:
So thats about how you see it right?
Everyone seems to be convincing themselves that I am adamant about direct cause, confirmed links and other things that remain unknown.
For the last time: SP's propaganda and the tragedy stand on their own. They are isolated incidents, however, the shooting brings her poster into perspective due to the correlation of crosshairs being her symbol of choice in dictating her political opponents, and the fact that there was a shooting of one of those "targets".
Again, this is not saying the shooter followed Palin's propaganda, but rather putting into light that her rhetoric was risky and potentially dangerous, regardless of whether it was an indirect cause or not. doesn't she put crosshairs on everything? you bet'cha!
By Artemicion 2011-01-10 14:36:33
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Artemicion said: Cerberus.Pukushu said:
So thats about how you see it right?
Everyone seems to be convincing themselves that I am adamant about direct cause, confirmed links and other things that remain unknown.
For the last time: SP's propaganda and the tragedy stand on their own. They are isolated incidents, however, the shooting brings her poster into perspective due to the correlation of crosshairs being her symbol of choice in dictating her political opponents, and the fact that there was a shooting of one of those "targets".
Again, this is not saying the shooter followed Palin's propaganda, but rather putting into light that her rhetoric was risky and potentially dangerous, regardless of whether it was an indirect cause or not. doesn't she put crosshairs on everything?
It would seem so. And when you use that kind of symbolism for "targeting" political opponents, it could have tragic consequences.
Not that it was for this incident, but still... It's reckless.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-10 14:38:24
If Alex Jones is your only source of paranoia, then obviously he (Jones) is doing it right when Phyrexius (hopefully not Pawnskipper too) goes on a rampage.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-10 14:38:29
Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Artemicion said: Cerberus.Pukushu said:
So thats about how you see it right?
Everyone seems to be convincing themselves that I am adamant about direct cause, confirmed links and other things that remain unknown.
For the last time: SP's propaganda and the tragedy stand on their own. They are isolated incidents, however, the shooting brings her poster into perspective due to the correlation of crosshairs being her symbol of choice in dictating her political opponents, and the fact that there was a shooting of one of those "targets".
Again, this is not saying the shooter followed Palin's propaganda, but rather putting into light that her rhetoric was risky and potentially dangerous, regardless of whether it was an indirect cause or not. doesn't she put crosshairs on everything?
It would seem so. And when you use that kind of symbolism for "targeting" political opponents, it could have tragic consequences.
Not that it was for this incident, but still... It's reckless. but why does it matter if she's "targeting" everything?
seems like some over-sensitive ideology that's reaching.
you really think palin feels that she's accountable for the things she does or says?
ask our allies the north koreans.
i think being aware that she's reckless on one shore is discredited by the fact that she is reckless on many fronts :/
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-10 14:38:41
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: ignoring the useless banter in this thread, what a sad story. all banter is useless, unless you are somehow healing bullet wounds or reverting time with your words. :D
By definition alone all banter is useless, no one had defined the thread as banter though. My point is arguing about such meaningless ***around such a tragic event and really stretching to find blame or reasoning is not only stupid but also quite sad.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-10 14:40:42
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: ignoring the useless banter in this thread, what a sad story. all banter is useless, unless you are somehow healing bullet wounds or reverting time with your words. :D
By definition alone all banter is useless, no one had defined the thread as banter though. My point is arguing about such meaningless ***around such a tragic event and really stretching to find blame or reasoning is not only stupid but also quite sad. why is it stupid?
it could be sad for some people..but I don't feel all that sad, and I'm pretty sure a good deal of people on here don't either since this topic is happening.
wouldn't it be easier to just not give a dismissive post and let this sad sap train roll on?
not everyone has the same moral standards as you, and they shouldn't have to have it :/
/thread-on!
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By Bismarck.Pawnskipper 2011-01-10 14:41:08
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Youtube and blog links are always credible sources for information. There is just as much credible information on youtubes and unkown (non mainstream sites) as there is on the stuff you read or watch everyday. Thats also to say that there is *** on both also. But heres the kicker.... since most of us blindly believe whats told, everything is ***. have just ended it there :P tl:dr sum up please sum what up? i know you can at least skim between a couple 5-7 sentence paragraphs silly :P tbh there was no real point in the linking, but I bet you could ascertain some sort of point or grain of wisdom from it.
Ok. I read. Retrospective falsifaction seems like a fancy word for a rumors that have gone bad or change with each telling. But I see how you can apply the application here. And ad populum fallacy is term that is new to me. But upon further reading, simply put..."you riding the bandwagon." lol. Wait a minute here....what is going on? lmao
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 14:42:35
If I ever ran in politics I'd make all my targets bananas on the map.
I'd laugh so hard if a nutjob killed people with a banana.
By Artemicion 2011-01-10 14:42:59
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
but why does it matter if she's "targeting" everything?
seems like some over-sensitive ideology that's reaching.
Perhaps I am over sensitive. But really, it's a matter of putting two and two together. Symbolism relating to weapons and using that in context for pointing out your opponents is pretty self explanatory.
I always thought and hoped a political figure, especially one of great influence and popularity would use some degree of self control and moderation and having some concept of empathy when it comes to the audience you appeal to.
Ramuh.Vinvv said: you really think palin feels that she's accountable for the things she does or says?
She already denied and dropped all accountability/responsibility.
A smart thing to do as far as saving face and one's career, but rather disheartening and unprofessional IMO.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-10 14:43:59
Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Youtube and blog links are always credible sources for information. There is just as much credible information on youtubes and unkown (non mainstream sites) as there is on the stuff you read or watch everyday. Thats also to say that there is *** on both also. But heres the kicker.... since most of us blindly believe whats told, everything is ***. have just ended it there :P tl:dr sum up please sum what up? i know you can at least skim between a couple 5-7 sentence paragraphs silly :P tbh there was no real point in the linking, but I bet you could ascertain some sort of point or grain of wisdom from it.
Ok. I read. Retrospective falsifaction seems like a fancy word for a rumors that have gone bad or change with each telling. But I see how you can apply the application here. And ad populum fallacy is term that is new to me. But upon further reading, simply put..."you riding the bandwagon." lol. Wait a minute here....what is going on? lmao I dunno.
:D
I just threw those links in to see if you(as well as others) would try to connect it to the topic.
but all in all it's to loop back into the concept of the validity of the things you read and hear.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-10 14:45:01
Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said:
but why does it matter if she's "targeting" everything?
seems like some over-sensitive ideology that's reaching.
Perhaps I am over sensitive. But really, it's a matter of putting two and two together. Symbolism relating to weapons and using that in context for pointing out your opponents is pretty self explanatory.
I always thought and hoped a political figure, especially one of great influence and popularity would use some degree of self control and moderation and having some concept of empathy when it comes to the audience you appeal to.
Ramuh.Vinvv said: you really think palin feels that she's accountable for the things she does or says?
She already denied and dropped all accountability/responsibility.
A smart thing to do as far as saving face and one's career, but rather disheartening and unprofessional IMO. do you expect her to be professional in mind with her actions?
By Artemicion 2011-01-10 14:46:05
Sarah Palin has been unprofessional for the vast majority of her career as far as I can tell. We just never really noticed or bothered to look until McCain picked her as his VP.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-10 14:47:12
Artemicion said: Sarah Palin has been unprofessional for the vast majority of her career as far as I can tell. We just never really noticed or bothered to look until McCain picked her as his VP. Sex appeal makes votes!
obviously not as much as educated black man though.
educated sexy white man will win if he has a chance though.
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By Bismarck.Pawnskipper 2011-01-10 14:47:43
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Youtube and blog links are always credible sources for information. There is just as much credible information on youtubes and unkown (non mainstream sites) as there is on the stuff you read or watch everyday. Thats also to say that there is *** on both also. But heres the kicker.... since most of us blindly believe whats told, everything is ***. have just ended it there :P tl:dr sum up please sum what up? i know you can at least skim between a couple 5-7 sentence paragraphs silly :P tbh there was no real point in the linking, but I bet you could ascertain some sort of point or grain of wisdom from it. Ok. I read. Retrospective falsifaction seems like a fancy word for a rumors that have gone bad or change with each telling. But I see how you can apply the application here. And ad populum fallacy is term that is new to me. But upon further reading, simply put..."you riding the bandwagon." lol. Wait a minute here....what is going on? lmao I dunno. :D I just threw those links in to see if you(as well as others) would try to connect it to the topic. but all in all it's to loop back into the concept of the validity of the things you read and hear.
This be true.
By Artemicion 2011-01-10 14:48:30
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Artemicion said: Sarah Palin has been unprofessional for the vast majority of her career as far as I can tell. We just never really noticed or bothered to look until McCain picked her as his VP. Sex appeal makes votes!
Sad but true. People look and see a young face with a nice rack and go for it more so than choices in policy and their voting consistency.
But to be fair, the same was said about Bill Clinton. Who knows how many votes he got from middle aged women for being a handsome devil?
By Artemicion 2011-01-10 14:51:50
Well, I can certainly see why there's at least some degree of credibility to conspiracy theorists that believe the government had some degree of involvement in 9/11.
But who knows? Could be a fluke too. The truth went down with all the lives that were lost, sadly.
I already noted earlier that my point in the Palin poster isn't confirmed as a direct link or cause to what happened. But simply something worth putting in perspective as irresponsible, reckless, and potentially dangerous.
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-10 14:54:29
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
why is it stupid?
it could be sad for some people..but I don't feel all that sad, and I'm pretty sure a good deal of people on here don't either since this topic is happening.
wouldn't it be easier to just not give a dismissive post and let this sad sap train roll on?
not everyone has the same moral standards as you, and they shouldn't have to have it :/
/thread-on!
what's sad is you think every person can be rolled up into 1 tiny little ball and write something down on it for you to put in your pocket, every time you pull that ball out of your pocket you remember what you defined that person as.. for me it's "moral" so every single time I post you can post back about how you think I am morally superior to others.
Guess what I wrote down for you Vinvv: Always pretending to be impartial while subtly being objective, always instigating and always trolling.
This was a sad tragic event, people died. That's really my only thoughts on it.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-10 14:56:37
I thought the discussion was about conspiracy theorists' websites, youtube videos, radio shows, etc. versus credible information from say the AP or medical journals.
Once again: Unlike a journalist or historian, a conspiracy theorist starts out with an assumption, garners all information that supports their theory, and ignores or discredits information that disagrees with it.
Also:
Palin removes 'gun target' map
Yes I know it's the Sun, but the same news report can be found on multiple sites.
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By Cerberus.Pukushu 2011-01-10 14:56:58
Luz said: Cerberus.Pukushu said:
^ this
but also just to illustrate the last point a bit more.. let us use a religious symbol. should Christians be ousted and the Bible denounced because in it there is talk of the death penalty for rape or more common, promiscuity? or how about denouncing Muslims for the Koran talking about Jihad? Neither is damming of the whole, but of the few crazies who take things out of context and have malice in their hearts. If you then take things out of context you arnt much different. Take the dang symbols in context and they are completely acceptable. Taken in hindsight they are in poor taste, but you dont have hind sight when you first make a thing.
Somewhere in the world your spelling of the name of their holy book offended someone. How dare you!
Dunno. Wiki seams to think my spelling is one of the accepted. If you prefer another please state it.
The Qur’an (English pronunciation: /kɒˈrɑːn/ korr-AHN; Arabic: القرآن al-qur’ān, IPA: [qurˈʔaːn], literally “the recitation”) is the religious text of Islam,[1] also sometimes transliterated as Quran, Kuran, Koran, Qur’ān, Coran or al-Qur’ān.
By Luz 2011-01-10 14:58:23
Cerberus.Pukushu said: Luz said: Cerberus.Pukushu said:
^ this
but also just to illustrate the last point a bit more.. let us use a religious symbol. should Christians be ousted and the Bible denounced because in it there is talk of the death penalty for rape or more common, promiscuity? or how about denouncing Muslims for the Koran talking about Jihad? Neither is damming of the whole, but of the few crazies who take things out of context and have malice in their hearts. If you then take things out of context you arnt much different. Take the dang symbols in context and they are completely acceptable. Taken in hindsight they are in poor taste, but you dont have hind sight when you first make a thing.
Somewhere in the world your spelling of the name of their holy book offended someone. How dare you!
Dunno. Wiki seams to think my spelling is one of the accepted. If you prefer another please state it.
The Qur’an (English pronunciation: /kɒˈrɑːn/ korr-AHN; Arabic: القرآن al-qur’ān, IPA: [qurˈʔaːn], literally “the recitation”) is the religious text of Islam,[1] also sometimes transliterated as Quran, Kuran, Koran, Qur’ān, Coran or al-Qur’ān.
I'm not a Muslim :D I was just messing with you.
By Phyrexius 2011-01-10 14:59:09
LOL! the Tin Foil crazies still at it?!?!
Loughner was a LEFTIST! I thought I said that before so why the hell are you still acting like lolSarah Palin has ANYTHING to do with the shooting? /point /laugh @ the NAZI-COMS up in this site. lolLiberals and their gun toting rhetoric/violence...
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-01-10 15:01:06
Phyrexius said: LOL! the Tin Foil crazies still at it?!?!
Loughner was a LEFTIST! I thought I said that before so why the hell are you still acting like lolSarah Palin has ANYTHING to do with the shooting? /point /laugh @ the NAZI-COMS up in this site. lolLiberals and their gun toting rhetoric/violence...
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I don't think you understand who the "tin foil crazies" really are.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-10 15:02:02
Phyrexius said: LOL! the Tin Foil crazies still at it?!?!
Loughner was a LEFTIST! I thought I said that before so why the hell are you still acting like lolSarah Palin has ANYTHING to do with the shooting? /point /laugh @ the NAZI-COMS up in this site. lolLiberals and their gun toting rhetoric/violence...
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Here we go with more Alex Jones ***.
Do you even know what the *** a NAZI is?
You can us tin foil crazies, because we read and watch real news, whereas you read and watch stuff from a known conspiracy theorist.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 15:02:04
Phyrexius said: LOL! the Tin Foil crazies still at it?!?!
Loughner was a LEFTIST! I thought I said that before so why the hell are you still acting like lolSarah Palin has ANYTHING to do with the shooting? /point /laugh @ the NAZI-COMS up in this site. lolLiberals and their gun toting rhetoric/violence...
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Dude, you're 34. Grow up.
By Luz 2011-01-10 15:02:30
Cool link bro. Fox videos. A remark from someone who knew him in school. Stupid basis for your argument. He posted videos 3 weeks ago that tout anti-federal beliefs. A hallmark of people on the right.
By Artemicion 2011-01-10 15:03:29
Considering the document was created by the U.S. Dpt. of Justice, then yeah there is at least a mild degree of credible evidence supporting their theory.
But I think what bothers me most is how Palin an their aide so blatantly disregard their own symbolism for what it is. Directing it as crosshairs you'd see on a map, and were never intended to be related to guns.
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By Cerberus.Pukushu 2011-01-10 15:03:53
Leviathan.Chaosx said: I thought the discussion was about conspiracy theorists' websites, youtube videos, radio shows, etc. versus credible information from say the AP or medical journals.
Once again: Unlike a journalist or historian, a conspiracy theorist starts out with an assumption, garners all information that supports their theory, and ignores or discredits information that disagrees with it.
Also:
Palin removes 'gun target' map
Yes I know it's the Sun, but the same news report can be found on multiple sites.
Which is my point about trying to link SP via the dumb poster to the shooting.
there is no connection.
isolated events. tragic choice of graphic art in hindsight, but how can you reasonably know what a crazy person might do. he may not have even ever seen the dumb poster.
Story.
I hope I speak for the community in saying our thoughts are with Mrs. Giffords and her family today.
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