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Problem with Paladin. HP build a cheat. How come?
Serveur: Ramuh
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By Ramuh.Zangada 2010-12-20 19:27:26
Armor Piece
85 Creed Armet +2
[Head] All Races
DEF: 44 HP +40 MP +40
Shield Skill +7
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
Converts 5% of damage taken to MP
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 85 PLD
89 Creed Cuirass +2
[Body] All Races
DEF: 77 HP +65 MP +65 Accuracy +20 Attack +20 Enmity +10
Mitigates dmg. taken based on enmity
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 89 PLD
87 Creed Gauntlets +2
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 35 STR +11 VIT +11 Sword Skill +7 Haste +4%
Enhances "Shield Defense Bonus" effect
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 87 PLD
83 Creed Cuisses +2
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 58 HP +50
Haste +4%
Physical Damage Taken -5%
Reduces Enmity decrease when taking physical damage
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 83 PLD
81 Creed Sabatons +2
[Feet] All Races
DEF: 30 Accuracy +14
Enmity +7 Haste +4%
Enhances Divine Emblem effect
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 81 PLD
Has everyone forgot about this? How many meele gear can absorb dmg?
Fenrir.Schutz
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2010-12-20 19:31:13
The most amazing defensive suit in the game won't make a difference if the mob won't attack you. ;_; Further, why did SE put Enmity on only 2 of the pieces? ;_; (*sob*)
So then, predictably the argument will go "then use /THF to SATA hate", then the counter will be "why use PLD and a /THF DD when you can just use a DD in the first place", etc. etc. It doesn't end well for PLD there. :/
By Bimbam 2010-12-20 19:31:26
Quote: I see. That much is true. So getting additional HP gear would not be necessary, eh?
Hmm I think the problem is these days, the time you waste trying to claw back hate using HP cheats is time you could be spending hitting the mob and contributing to a faster kill :S
Personally, while I got to the cap a bit slower (using todays example trioing the doll in altep against a MNK/NIN), I had no issue maintaining hate cap DD/sanguine spamming. And as mentioned once at the cap, if the MNK took dmg it would normally turn to me for a few hits making the job of the healer that much easier. But the fact remained that the MNKs hate was more consistant and I don't personally believe there was anything I could do about that so stuck to doing as much dmg as possible.
By Rustytiger 2010-12-20 19:33:50
Ramuh.Zangada said: Armor Piece 85 Creed Armet +2 [Head] All Races DEF: 44 HP +40 MP +40 Shield Skill +7 Enhances "Fast Cast" effect Converts 5% of damage taken to MP Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken Lv. 85 PLD 89 Creed Cuirass +2 [Body] All Races DEF: 77 HP +65 MP +65 Accuracy +20 Attack +20 Enmity +10 Mitigates dmg. taken based on enmity Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken Lv. 89 PLD 87 Creed Gauntlets +2 [Hands] All Races DEF: 35 STR +11 VIT +11 Sword Skill +7 Haste +4% Enhances "Shield Defense Bonus" effect Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken Lv. 87 PLD 83 Creed Cuisses +2 [Legs] All Races DEF: 58 HP +50 Haste +4% Physical Damage Taken -5% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking physical damage Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken Lv. 83 PLD 81 Creed Sabatons +2 [Feet] All Races DEF: 30 Accuracy +14 Enmity +7 Haste +4% Enhances Divine Emblem effect Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken Lv. 81 PLD Has everyone forgot about this? How many meele gear can absorb dmg?
I haven't :-p
Granted I haven't asked some of my friends who have some of this and if its been helpful or not, at least not yet.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-12-20 19:33:56
Ramuh.Zangada said: Armor Piece
85 Creed Armet +2
[Head] All Races
DEF: 44 HP +40 MP +40
Shield Skill +7
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
Converts 5% of damage taken to MP
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 85 PLD
89 Creed Cuirass +2
[Body] All Races
DEF: 77 HP +65 MP +65 Accuracy +20 Attack +20 Enmity +10
Mitigates dmg. taken based on enmity
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 89 PLD
87 Creed Gauntlets +2
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 35 STR +11 VIT +11 Sword Skill +7 Haste +4%
Enhances "Shield Defense Bonus" effect
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 87 PLD
83 Creed Cuisses +2
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 58 HP +50
Haste +4%
Physical Damage Taken -5%
Reduces Enmity decrease when taking physical damage
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 83 PLD
81 Creed Sabatons +2
[Feet] All Races
DEF: 30 Accuracy +14
Enmity +7 Haste +4%
Enhances Divine Emblem effect
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 81 PLD
Has everyone forgot about this? How many meele gear can absorb dmg?
How about not getting hit?
By Bimbam 2010-12-20 19:33:59
Of course you could then argue "had I been another MNK it would have been even faster"
/sigh :(
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-12-20 19:46:28
Basically, Rustytiger, if you're not MNK NIN BRD WHM THF, or a job that can proc !!'s you're a waste of a party slot.
A bit harsh of me I know, but that's how it is these days. Let's just hope you don't run with people who have that mindset, because you won't be going any other job really, lol.
By Rustytiger 2010-12-20 19:53:59
Bimbam said: Quote: I see. That much is true. So getting additional HP gear would not be necessary, eh? Hmm I think the problem is these days, the time you waste trying to claw back hate using HP cheats is time you could be spending hitting the mob and contributing to a faster kill :S Personally, while I got to the cap a bit slower (using todays example trioing the doll in altep against a MNK/NIN), I had no issue maintaining hate cap DD/sanguine spamming. And as mentioned once at the cap, if the MNK took dmg it would normally turn to me for a few hits making the job of the healer that much easier. But the fact remained that the MNKs hate was more consistant and I don't personally believe there was anything I could do about that so stuck to doing as much dmg as possible.
Yea, as my partner, Foulei, laughs at me whenever we pld and mnk duo :-P or during the Assault mission days, lol.
Despite all the dramatic changes with pld I try to make do and roll with it as much as I can. Appreciate the input here seeing as I am not alone in this matter.
By Rustytiger 2010-12-20 19:57:31
Leviathan.Niniann said: Basically, Rustytiger, if you're not MNK NIN BRD WHM THF, or a job that can proc !!'s you're a waste of a party slot. A bit harsh of me I know, but that's how it is these days. Let's just hope you don't run with people who have that mindset, because you won't be going any other job really, lol.
No harm done on the harsh factor. I'd rather know a bit whats going on before I log on the game, rather than deal with it the hard way then scractching my head, wanting to squeeze someone's head off *galka temper mind you lol* wondering what the problem was .
This is a game, not a life or death struggle. Besides I have other jobs I can play with or still need to level (i tend to be busy outside of the game :-P), so its not the end of the world on my end. Plus the majority of people still invite me to level on my pld with them or come whatever, so I would say I am lucky, yes ;)
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-12-20 20:02:34
Rustytiger said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Basically, Rustytiger, if you're not MNK NIN BRD WHM THF, or a job that can proc !!'s you're a waste of a party slot. A bit harsh of me I know, but that's how it is these days. Let's just hope you don't run with people who have that mindset, because you won't be going any other job really, lol.
No harm done on the harsh factor. I'd rather know a bit whats going on before I log on the game, rather than deal with it the hard way then scractching my head, wanting to squeeze someone's head off *galka temper mind you lol* wondering what the problem was .
This is a game, not a life or death struggle. Besides I have other jobs I can play with or still need to level (i tend to be busy outside of the game :-P), so its not the end of the world on my end. Plus the majority of people still invite me to level on my pld with them or come whatever, so I would say I am lucky, yes ;)
/nod It's okay, I have useless jobs I love like DNC and SMN. But in all honesty, you should check out MNK or NIN if you enjoy tanking so much.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-20 20:13:24
Ramuh.Zangada said: Armor Piece
85 Creed Armet +2
[Head] All Races
DEF: 44 HP +40 MP +40
Shield Skill +7
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
Converts 5% of damage taken to MP
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 85 PLD
89 Creed Cuirass +2
[Body] All Races
DEF: 77 HP +65 MP +65 Accuracy +20 Attack +20 Enmity +10
Mitigates dmg. taken based on enmity
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 89 PLD
87 Creed Gauntlets +2
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 35 STR +11 VIT +11 Sword Skill +7 Haste +4%
Enhances "Shield Defense Bonus" effect
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 87 PLD
83 Creed Cuisses +2
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 58 HP +50
Haste +4%
Physical Damage Taken -5%
Reduces Enmity decrease when taking physical damage
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 83 PLD
81 Creed Sabatons +2
[Feet] All Races
DEF: 30 Accuracy +14
Enmity +7 Haste +4%
Enhances Divine Emblem effect
Set: Occasionally absorbs damage taken
Lv. 81 PLD
Has everyone forgot about this? How many meele gear can absorb dmg?
I only see one, maybe two (body depending on mechanics) pieces of gear there that you should be wearing if it hits hard enough to matter, and that's the legs. It's got nothing for reducing magic damage (also, Nocturnus gear sup). Consistent damage reduction is superior to a small change to negate it, so at best you're looking at a 1% chance to absorb some damage... Explain to me why I should bring a PLD for a 1% procrate effect that I don't even need to survive.
Fenrir.Snick
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By Fenrir.Snick 2010-12-20 20:22:43
I don't post for a few *** days and another paladin thread pops up?
God damnit Night.
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By Rustytiger 2010-12-20 20:25:57
Quote: /nod It's okay, I have useless jobs I love like DNC and SMN. But in all honesty, you should check out MNK or NIN if you enjoy tanking so much.
The thought had crossed my mind with both ;) And I like to tank often. But first I need to finish lvling Blue Mage :-p. I'm having too much damn fun with it at the moment, hehe.
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-12-20 20:28:19
Fenrir.Snick said: I don't post for a few *** days and another paladin thread pops up?
God damnit Night.
Night's Blue Mage brings all the fail-jobs to the yard~
Fenrir.Krazyrs
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2010-12-20 20:33:27
Quote: Has everyone forgot about this? How many meele gear can absorb dmg?
with aquatic ardor atma does it matter?
occ. aborbs magical/physical dmg btw if wondering
i was main PLD for evrything pre lv80 update with nin75 and was lving mnk on the side
now NIN is making a comeback with migawari and mnk + whm can duo a huge majority of NMs so i took that to 90 as well
ill keep pld going just incase SE decides to bring it back to the frontline without needing a THF or /THF
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By Siren.Catabolic 2010-12-20 20:50:24
Leviathan.Niniann said: Rustytiger said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Basically, Rustytiger, if you're not MNK NIN BRD WHM THF, or a job that can proc !!'s you're a waste of a party slot. A bit harsh of me I know, but that's how it is these days. Let's just hope you don't run with people who have that mindset, because you won't be going any other job really, lol.
No harm done on the harsh factor. I'd rather know a bit whats going on before I log on the game, rather than deal with it the hard way then scractching my head, wanting to squeeze someone's head off *galka temper mind you lol* wondering what the problem was .
This is a game, not a life or death struggle. Besides I have other jobs I can play with or still need to level (i tend to be busy outside of the game :-P), so its not the end of the world on my end. Plus the majority of people still invite me to level on my pld with them or come whatever, so I would say I am lucky, yes ;)
/nod It's okay, I have useless jobs I love like DNC and SMN. But in all honesty, you should check out MNK or NIN if you enjoy tanking so much.
In bold- You gotta check out the updates and gear. DNC is unbelievable now. Could solo a bunch of nms in abys. A DNC with the right atmas and gear wouldn't even be able to tell you what tp moves nms have in there. Cause they never see them used.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-20 20:54:22
Leviathan.Niniann said: Fenrir.Snick said: I don't post for a few *** days and another paladin thread pops up?
God damnit Night.
Night's Blue Mage brings all the fail-jobs to the yard~ HEY
icwutudidthar :(
Siren.Catabolic said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Rustytiger said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Basically, Rustytiger, if you're not MNK NIN BRD WHM THF, or a job that can proc !!'s you're a waste of a party slot. A bit harsh of me I know, but that's how it is these days. Let's just hope you don't run with people who have that mindset, because you won't be going any other job really, lol.
No harm done on the harsh factor. I'd rather know a bit whats going on before I log on the game, rather than deal with it the hard way then scractching my head, wanting to squeeze someone's head off *galka temper mind you lol* wondering what the problem was .
This is a game, not a life or death struggle. Besides I have other jobs I can play with or still need to level (i tend to be busy outside of the game :-P), so its not the end of the world on my end. Plus the majority of people still invite me to level on my pld with them or come whatever, so I would say I am lucky, yes ;)
/nod It's okay, I have useless jobs I love like DNC and SMN. But in all honesty, you should check out MNK or NIN if you enjoy tanking so much.
In bold- You gotta check out the updates and gear. DNC is unbelievable now. Could solo a bunch of nms in abys. A DNC with the right atmas and gear wouldn't even be able to tell you what tp moves nms have in there. Cause they never see them used.
I hear NIN does that too, except better.
Seriously, you say that like it's new information :|
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-12-20 21:01:31
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Siren.Catabolic said:
In bold- You gotta check out the updates and gear. DNC is unbelievable now. Could solo a bunch of nms in abys. A DNC with the right atmas and gear wouldn't even be able to tell you what tp moves nms have in there. Cause they never see them used.
I hear NIN does that too, except better.
Seriously, you say that like it's new information :|
Basically this. If a job isn't the best at something (NIN does everything DNC does, except waaay better) it's useless. :(
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By Siren.Catabolic 2010-12-20 21:21:34
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Fenrir.Snick said: I don't post for a few *** days and another paladin thread pops up?
God damnit Night.
Night's Blue Mage brings all the fail-jobs to the yard~ HEY
icwutudidthar :(
Siren.Catabolic said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Rustytiger said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Basically, Rustytiger, if you're not MNK NIN BRD WHM THF, or a job that can proc !!'s you're a waste of a party slot. A bit harsh of me I know, but that's how it is these days. Let's just hope you don't run with people who have that mindset, because you won't be going any other job really, lol.
No harm done on the harsh factor. I'd rather know a bit whats going on before I log on the game, rather than deal with it the hard way then scractching my head, wanting to squeeze someone's head off *galka temper mind you lol* wondering what the problem was .
This is a game, not a life or death struggle. Besides I have other jobs I can play with or still need to level (i tend to be busy outside of the game :-P), so its not the end of the world on my end. Plus the majority of people still invite me to level on my pld with them or come whatever, so I would say I am lucky, yes ;)
/nod It's okay, I have useless jobs I love like DNC and SMN. But in all honesty, you should check out MNK or NIN if you enjoy tanking so much.
In bold- You gotta check out the updates and gear. DNC is unbelievable now. Could solo a bunch of nms in abys. A DNC with the right atmas and gear wouldn't even be able to tell you what tp moves nms have in there. Cause they never see them used.
I hear NIN does that too, except better.
Seriously, you say that like it's new information :|
Yea Nin can do it also, but DNC is far from useless. Seen dnc's do some impressive stuff. Especially in Abys.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-12-20 21:39:49
Siren.Catabolic said: Yea Nin can do it also, but DNC is far from useless. Seen dnc's do some impressive stuff. Especially in Abys.
NIN can do it all better, so it's like at that point, why aren't I leveling/gearing NIN instead of DNC :/ It can solo better, it can DD better, it can tank better, and since it has curing waltz III /DNC, it can cure almost as well as DNC... I can go on and on. :/
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By Fenrir.Snick 2010-12-20 22:43:14
BUT IT DOESNT HAVE COORING WULTZ EYE VEE
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-12-20 22:43:55
Fenrir.Snick said: BUT IT DOESNT HAVE COORING WULTZ EYE VEE
*COORING WULTZ VEE
But yeah, lol.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-12-20 22:56:40
Ramuh.Zangada said:
Has everyone forgot about this? How many meele gear can absorb dmg?
My Utsusemi absorbs DMG!
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By Lakshmi.Radicant 2010-12-22 05:51:05
Damage absorption takes time to proc.!
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Hey ghouls and gals.
I was having a rather interesting conversation with someone while hunting an NM the other day. Pardon my ignorance, which I have good reason for since I've been busy lately, but he told me that since the recent updates paladins have been deemed "useless". Unfortunately he never got the chance to explain because we both had to log out; it was late and we had to both go to work lol
It has also come to my attention that HP gear is considered a cheat for paladins.
My question to you all is, how come? Any clarification would be appreciated.
I've grown to enjoy paladin up to this point and wish to do so but I don't want to waste time on items that I'm persuing if these issues are the case and the things I am seeking are deemed useless. Honestly its become quite confusing seeing as I have a mixed playstyle to paladin and I adapt to certain situations with my skills and gear.
Thanks in advance.
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