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Cerberus.Vaness
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2010-12-16 12:58:07
Fenrir.Snick said: Cerberus.Vaness said: Fenrir.Snick said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Azulmagia said:
If you don't have any of the above, and you change to RDM, you still don't have any of the above.
Sorry, I wasn't talking about RDM in that post at all
Azulmagia said:
There's a difference between "adequate" and "the best".
Yeah, that was my point. Hey remember when you didn't know what enfeebling magic skill did? Can you stop harrassing him? lol poor guy, just saying No. ok, but dont forget we all were a noob a day.
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-12-16 12:59:21
Fenrir.Snick said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Azulmagia said:
If you don't have any of the above, and you change to RDM, you still don't have any of the above.
Sorry, I wasn't talking about RDM in that post at all
Azulmagia said:
There's a difference between "adequate" and "the best".
Yeah, that was my point. Hey remember when you didn't know what enfeebling magic skill did?
Hey remember when you didn't know that RDM > WHM for enfeebling? Remember when you forgot that RDM enfeebler gets ***like Addle where as WHM does not? Remember when you act like an elitist WHM 24/7? Remember when you forgot that some people are able to play XI more than others and it translates to gear/atmas/exp/fillintheblank?
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Carbuncle.Asymptotic
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2010-12-16 13:00:29
Kittens are cute.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2010-12-16 13:00:51
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: Kittens are cute. fact
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2010-12-16 13:01:10
/end tread
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By Lakshmi.Galith 2010-12-16 13:01:28
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: Lakshmi.Galith said:
Whenever I look at the magian trials page on wiki I get tired. Even before starting the magian trial.
God, I know exactly what you mean.
I think they should put them on separate pages. Kill black triple stars 3 times?! No problem! It's when you see all the ***after it that you say to yourself "Maybe I should take a nap".
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By Fenrir.Snick 2010-12-16 13:02:09
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Fenrir.Snick said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Azulmagia said:
If you don't have any of the above, and you change to RDM, you still don't have any of the above.
Sorry, I wasn't talking about RDM in that post at all
Azulmagia said:
There's a difference between "adequate" and "the best".
Yeah, that was my point. Hey remember when you didn't know what enfeebling magic skill did?
Hey remember when you didn't know that RDM > WHM for enfeebling? Remember when you forgot that RDM enfeebler gets ***like Addle where as WHM does not? Remember when you act like an elitist WHM 24/7? Remember when you forgot that some people are able to play XI more than others and it translates to gear/atmas/exp/fillintheblank? I've been busy playing WoW the last month actually :( I only logged on a week or two ago to hit 90
You assume too much.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2010-12-16 13:02:54
Lakshmi.Galith said: Cerberus.Vaness said: Asura.Yunalaysca said: Cerberus.Vaness said: I am also not saying sch is bad for nuke, i am just saying that it will never beat a blm.Caus blm is a nuker, sch is more like an hybrid. i think it's mostly the fact that sch/rdm can nuke twice as fast as blm/sch or close to it atleast. that makes up for the loss of the wow factor in the single nukes themselves. lol what I hate so much about sch is the amount of stuff you need to udo/use to get a good nuke.it can be very annoying sometimes.
It is very dependent on your ability to make complex macros and your ability to use them. I have quite a few macro pallets that are all set up with /macro set # triggers so it connects them all. That way as soon as you hit dark arts it swaps to your nuke pallet and as soon as you hit light arts it swaps to your healing pallet. It makes it much more helpful when trying to organize it all. I also have them in the storms on the nuking pallets so if i hit hailstorm it'll swap over to the blizard set. wait how the *** you do that???? I want, seriously
EDIT: dont tell me spellcast...plz
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-12-16 13:04:27
Cerberus.Vaness said: Fenrir.Snick said: Cerberus.Vaness said: Fenrir.Snick said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Azulmagia said:
If you don't have any of the above, and you change to RDM, you still don't have any of the above.
Sorry, I wasn't talking about RDM in that post at all
Azulmagia said:
There's a difference between "adequate" and "the best".
Yeah, that was my point. Hey remember when you didn't know what enfeebling magic skill did? Can you stop harrassing him? lol poor guy, just saying No. ok, but dont forget we all were a noob a day.
I'm not a "noob" I didn't play this game from 2007 until 3 months ago. A lot of ***has changed, a lot of ***has added, I have a lot of catching up to do on top of that. Just because I am only able to play for a few hours 3 days a week doesn't mean I suck, it means I'm working at a different pace than others.. I do what I can with what I got with the time I got if elitist *** have a problem with that they can cry on here as much as they want.
Regardless if Light Arts adds enfeebling skill it does not make WHM a better enfeebler than a RDM from spells alone.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 13:04:37
Quote: there is alot of situation like that happening.I am guessing also night didnt experience rani/raja yet.Have fun ;p Like Asymptotic said, limit the number of people on the NM at any given time.
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: uhh i know im pretty gimp (i have a million excuses none of them matter) i'm not arguing this or denying it
...but maybe it's just me, but it sounds like you're saying a WHM does not have every single one of the items you named then it's super gimp or as you put it "something is very wrong". It's just you, just like the "hostility" in here is just you.
Make it two if you like, we got by just fine at 85 with two. That said, they're piss easy for the most part...
Durinn is a joke. A mage not having Minikin is indeed gimp, just like a DD not having Razed Ruins (specific SAM/DRK builds potentially notwithstanding).
Or any other 5/tic atma.
80 cap content, easy to pop, easy to kill.
Magian curepot staff makes this an entirely reasonable assumption.
Quote: all Merit abyssites All from quests, T1 NMs, and the Cruor Prospector. The only one that even approaches being difficult is Warbler, and he can be duo'd.
Quote: a BRD in every party It's 2010, almost 2011. Not having one of the most powerful jobs in the game readily available, even if just on a mule, is definitely something to address. That said, can do many fights without one.
I suppose I could address situations where your healer has one merit abyssite, 25% curepot, and no atmas, but why? That's like trying to figure out how I could kill Rani with 5 PUPs and a DRK. Even if reality doesn't always match theory, it's better to start with what's effective and adjust from there.
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By Fenrir.Snick 2010-12-16 13:06:21
Hey Night remember when you called me gimp cause I don't have MM? :(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 13:06:36
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Hey remember when you didn't know that RDM > WHM for enfeebling? Your lack of reading comprehension is getting old. There's a difference between better and sufficient.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2010-12-16 13:06:43
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: That's like trying to figure out how I could kill Rani with 5 PUPs and a DRK.
Primeval Brew. Done.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-12-16 13:06:51
Cerberus.Vaness said: no, I think it was pretty entertaining.Doing maths and all, wow.But I think, you lack of real experience.
Why do I think you would also accuse somebody of not being able to give advice etc about a job because they don't have it levelled?
Maths > experience provided the math is based on a good model because experience is flawed by human error, which can be very high if you are a bad player or having an off day.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 13:07:06
Fenrir.Snick said: Hey Night remember when you called me gimp cause I don't have MM? :( Hard to have atmas when you don't play! Not like we can't get you MM in a day if you log in~
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By Cerberus.Jogiyat 2010-12-16 13:07:45
I like Nightfyre
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By Fenrir.Snick 2010-12-16 13:08:30
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Fenrir.Snick said: Hey Night remember when you called me gimp cause I don't have MM? :( Hard to have atmas when you don't play! Not like we can't get you MM in a day if you log in~ Tonight I want to. I would logon now but nobody would be on so D:
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By Lakshmi.Galith 2010-12-16 13:08:36
Cerberus.Vaness said: Lakshmi.Galith said: Cerberus.Vaness said: Asura.Yunalaysca said: Cerberus.Vaness said: I am also not saying sch is bad for nuke, i am just saying that it will never beat a blm.Caus blm is a nuker, sch is more like an hybrid. i think it's mostly the fact that sch/rdm can nuke twice as fast as blm/sch or close to it atleast. that makes up for the loss of the wow factor in the single nukes themselves. lol what I hate so much about sch is the amount of stuff you need to udo/use to get a good nuke.it can be very annoying sometimes.
It is very dependent on your ability to make complex macros and your ability to use them. I have quite a few macro pallets that are all set up with /macro set # triggers so it connects them all. That way as soon as you hit dark arts it swaps to your nuke pallet and as soon as you hit light arts it swaps to your healing pallet. It makes it much more helpful when trying to organize it all. I also have them in the storms on the nuking pallets so if i hit hailstorm it'll swap over to the blizard set. wait how the *** you do that???? I want, seriously
EDIT: dont tell me spellcast...plz
It's not spellcast " /macro set # " takes you to the macro set of the corresponding number. You can use them in your normal macros or your can get really complex if you use windower macros. Just put It in the line below your light arts macro.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 13:09:10
Fenrir.Snick said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Fenrir.Snick said: Hey Night remember when you called me gimp cause I don't have MM? :( Hard to have atmas when you don't play! Not like we can't get you MM in a day if you log in~ Tonight I want to. I would logon now but nobody would be on so D: Yeah, because you can't log in now :<
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 13:09:39
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: That's like trying to figure out how I could kill Rani with 5 PUPs and a DRK.
Primeval Brew. Done.
ffffffffffffffff
Fair enough :(
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2010-12-16 13:10:05
Lakshmi.Galith said: Cerberus.Vaness said: Lakshmi.Galith said: Cerberus.Vaness said: Asura.Yunalaysca said: Cerberus.Vaness said: I am also not saying sch is bad for nuke, i am just saying that it will never beat a blm.Caus blm is a nuker, sch is more like an hybrid. i think it's mostly the fact that sch/rdm can nuke twice as fast as blm/sch or close to it atleast. that makes up for the loss of the wow factor in the single nukes themselves. lol what I hate so much about sch is the amount of stuff you need to udo/use to get a good nuke.it can be very annoying sometimes.
It is very dependent on your ability to make complex macros and your ability to use them. I have quite a few macro pallets that are all set up with /macro set # triggers so it connects them all. That way as soon as you hit dark arts it swaps to your nuke pallet and as soon as you hit light arts it swaps to your healing pallet. It makes it much more helpful when trying to organize it all. I also have them in the storms on the nuking pallets so if i hit hailstorm it'll swap over to the blizard set. wait how the *** you do that???? I want, seriously
EDIT: dont tell me spellcast...plz
It's not spellcast " /macro set # " takes you to the macro set of the corresponding number. You can use them in your normal macros or your can get really complex if you use windower macros. Just put It in the line below your light arts macro. oh thx
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-12-16 13:13:37
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Cerberus.Vaness said: no, I think it was pretty entertaining.Doing maths and all, wow.But I think, you lack of real experience. Why do I think you would also accuse somebody of not being able to give advice etc about a job because they don't have it levelled? Maths > experience provided the math is based on a good model because experience is flawed by human error, which can be very high if you are a bad player or having an off day.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 13:14:35
Quote: no, I think it was pretty entertaining.Doing maths and all, wow.But I think, you lack of real experience. Just saw this. Sure, I lack "real experience" if your measure is AV, PW, and world spawn NMs. Otherwise? No. Nor have I been spoonfed by only playing with the best. I did my time in mediocre shells. I have "real experience", for what that matters.
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-12-16 13:14:43
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Quote: there is alot of situation like that happening.I am guessing also night didnt experience rani/raja yet.Have fun ;p Like Asymptotic said, limit the number of people on the NM at any given time.
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: uhh i know im pretty gimp (i have a million excuses none of them matter) i'm not arguing this or denying it
...but maybe it's just me, but it sounds like you're saying a WHM does not have every single one of the items you named then it's super gimp or as you put it "something is very wrong". It's just you, just like the "hostility" in here is just you.
Make it two if you like, we got by just fine at 85 with two. That said, they're piss easy for the most part...
Durinn is a joke. A mage not having Minikin is indeed gimp, just like a DD not having Razed Ruins (specific SAM/DRK builds potentially notwithstanding).
Or any other 5/tic atma.
80 cap content, easy to pop, easy to kill.
Magian curepot staff makes this an entirely reasonable assumption.
Quote: all Merit abyssites All from quests, T1 NMs, and the Cruor Prospector. The only one that even approaches being difficult is Warbler, and he can be duo'd.
Quote: a BRD in every party It's 2010, almost 2011. Not having one of the most powerful jobs in the game readily available, even if just on a mule, is definitely something to address. That said, can do many fights without one.
I suppose I could address situations where your healer has one merit abyssite, 25% curepot, and no atmas, but why? That's like trying to figure out how I could kill Rani with 5 PUPs and a DRK. Even if reality doesn't always match theory, it's better to start with what's effective and adjust from there.
Yes, each one of those can be easily enough obtained, each one does take some time. Every WHM should be working on all of those, every WHM should have or try to have at least some of those. My point was there are WHMs better than me who do not have ALL of of those listed that I would not consider gimp.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2010-12-16 13:15:51
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Cerberus.Vaness said: no, I think it was pretty entertaining.Doing maths and all, wow.But I think, you lack of real experience.
Why do I think you would also accuse somebody of not being able to give advice etc about a job because they don't have it levelled?
Maths > experience provided the math is based on a good model because experience is flawed by human error, which can be very high if you are a bad player or having an off day. I agree and disagree.The best way to learn is being doing error and learning off them.We all grow up that way and always will caus no1 is perfect.
I'm also a science/math person and I like having math/fact over experience sometimes.But math/fact wouldnt exist if none of us didnt do any experience.
Can destruct every single thing I say if you want.I am not perfect but I can say and appologize when im wrong.
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By Fenrir.Snick 2010-12-16 13:16:49
Cerberus.Vaness said: appologize when im wrong. And that is why you fail~
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 13:17:03
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Quote: there is alot of situation like that happening.I am guessing also night didnt experience rani/raja yet.Have fun ;p Like Asymptotic said, limit the number of people on the NM at any given time.
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: uhh i know im pretty gimp (i have a million excuses none of them matter) i'm not arguing this or denying it
...but maybe it's just me, but it sounds like you're saying a WHM does not have every single one of the items you named then it's super gimp or as you put it "something is very wrong". It's just you, just like the "hostility" in here is just you.
Make it two if you like, we got by just fine at 85 with two. That said, they're piss easy for the most part...
Durinn is a joke. A mage not having Minikin is indeed gimp, just like a DD not having Razed Ruins (specific SAM/DRK builds potentially notwithstanding).
Or any other 5/tic atma.
80 cap content, easy to pop, easy to kill.
Magian curepot staff makes this an entirely reasonable assumption.
Quote: all Merit abyssites All from quests, T1 NMs, and the Cruor Prospector. The only one that even approaches being difficult is Warbler, and he can be duo'd.
Quote: a BRD in every party It's 2010, almost 2011. Not having one of the most powerful jobs in the game readily available, even if just on a mule, is definitely something to address. That said, can do many fights without one.
I suppose I could address situations where your healer has one merit abyssite, 25% curepot, and no atmas, but why? That's like trying to figure out how I could kill Rani with 5 PUPs and a DRK. Even if reality doesn't always match theory, it's better to start with what's effective and adjust from there.
Yes, each one of those can be easily enough obtained, each one does take some time. Every WHM should be working on all of those, every WHM should have or try to have at least some of those. My point was there are WHMs better than me who do not have ALL of of those listed that I would not consider gimp.
Aside from MM I never said not having any of them was gimp, only that you should have them. Given that you can function just fine without it, I'm not even sure I'd say that now.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2010-12-16 13:18:54
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: The only one that even approaches being difficult is Warbler, and he can be duo'd.
Warbler is a joke.
Screw getting fame in Kon though >.<
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2010-12-16 13:18:58
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Quote: no, I think it was pretty entertaining.Doing maths and all, wow.But I think, you lack of real experience. Just saw this. Sure, I lack "real experience" if your measure is AV, PW, and world spawn NMs. Otherwise? No. Nor have I been spoonfed by only playing with the best. I did my time in mediocre shells. I have "real experience", for what that matters. We all do.My english is meh and I lack of words to explain myself clearlry sometimes.Sorry if it looked rude.I just meant that me and you may not talk about same nms or experience.
I dont understand why, there isnt more gear from this boss... Why would SE not incorporate something for everyone in this, mainly speaking towards the Cloth type melee jobs (mnk, pup, dnc, nin)
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