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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-12-09 17:42:37
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When you're a company with virtually unlimited funds like Visa, it turns out Anonymous is not very Anonymous at all.

Remember folks: proxies don't make you un-trackable. They just force law enforcement to ask one more person to find out who you are.

Arrests are being made, starting with a 16-year old 4chan'er from the Netherlands.
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-12-09 17:46:45
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
When you're a company with virtually unlimited funds like Visa, it turns out Anonymous is not very Anonymous at all.

Remember folks: proxies don't make you un-trackable. They just force law enforcement to ask one more person to find out who you are.

Arrests are being made, starting with a 16-year old 4chan'er from the Netherlands.
I wonder if the dutch police found him in his underpants all grimy with a Vmask on
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By Luz 2010-12-09 18:18:58
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What this really proves is the people in command of Anonymous' botnets that are being used to DDoS these servers are idiots. Could probably issue commands just the same from an internet connection that doesn't belong to you, be it unsecured or WEP/WPA (wouldn't bother with a WPA2 AP) encrypted.

WEP obviously being a joke to crack, WPA being crackable with a captured handshake (Deauthenticate a client on the network after running Airodump-ng in WPA handshake capture mode, they reconnect to their router, you captured the handshake) and a password list or brute force by piping Crunch into Aircrack-ng. Wifi cracking isn't hard. All I have said to do just now is very basic stuff. I don't care about saying it here because the documentation/tutorials are so widely available and I don't think most people have the capacity or hardware to do Wifi cracking.

If these people DDoSing had any brains they would commit their crimes from an internet connection that couldn't be traced back to them. It's essentially using a proxy that has no information to trace back to you. Except a MAC address which means nothing and can be just as easily spoofed. This is just more proof that DDoSing can be done by idiots with no concept of true anonymity in regards to the internet.
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By Luz 2010-12-09 19:20:48
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Sex accusers boasted about their 'conquest' of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange

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The two Swedish women who have brought sex charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange boasted about their relationship with him days before going to police.

Based on information available on various websites quoting police and court files, and reports in the Swedish media, here's an account of what happened.

The story goes back to August this year, when Assange was in Stockholm to speak at the invitation of Sweden's Social Democratic Party.

The event organizer was 31-year-old Anna Ardin, press secretary of the Brotherhood Movement, which is an adjunct of the Social Democratic Party. Ardin, who has been described as a feminist, leftist and animal rights activist, previously worked at the Uppsala University, handling equality issues for the students' union. (After pressing charges against Assange, she has been called a "CIA agent" on various blogs and Twitter. The internet is abuzz with conspiracy theories on how Assange was framed. Speculation about her ties to CIA is being fuelled by her alleged association with anti-Castro groups funded by the US.)

When Assange arrived in Stockholm on August 11, Ardin invited him to stay at her flat while she visited her family for a few days out in the country. Ardin returned home on August 13; she and Assange had sex that night. Both have admitted a condom was used and it broke. On August 20, Ardin would go to police alleging that Assange deliberately broke the condom during sex.

Ardin's co-accuser, 26-year-old Sofia Wilen, an aspiring photographer, had sex with Assange on the evening of August 16 and again the following morning. The first time, a condom was used; the second time, there was no condom. On August 20, Wilen would go to police alleging that Assange had refused to wear a condom.

Assange insists that the sex with both women was consensual. After the sexual encounters, neither woman seemed to harbour any resentment against Assange. One of Assange's lawyers has been quoted as saying: "The exact content of Wilen's mobile phone texts is not yet known but their bragging and exculpatory character has been confirmed by Swedish prosecutors. Neither Wilen's nor Ardin's texts complain of rape."

On August 14, the day following the night of "crime", Assange delivered a 90-minute speech about how the first casualty of war is truth. Ardin was in attendance (as was Wilen) but showed no signs of the previous night's "trauma". The two women can be seen in a video of the conference . At 2 o'clock that night, while hosting a party in Assange's honour at her flat, Ardin tweeted: "Sitting outside; nearly freezing; with the world's coolest people; it's pretty amazing."

After going to police on August 20, she deleted the tweet. The post deleted from annaardin.bloggy.se and twitter.com/annaardin can still be seen on this cached page . After sex with Assange on the morning of August 17, Wilen went out, and bought, then cooked breakfast – oatmeal and juice.

On August 18, Wilen called up Ardin and told her that she had unprotected sex with Assange. She said she was upset he didn't use a condom and was afraid she might have contracted an STD or become pregnant. Ardin said she too had sex with Assange. On August 20, both women filed charges against him.

And an obscure Swedish law was invoked. It is sometimes called the "surprise sex" law. In essence, it holds that if a woman withdraws her consent at any point during intercourse, and the man continues, it becomes rape. This transition from consensual to non-consensual sex is what Assange is accused of. All this will have to be proved in the court — a Swedish one.

One thing, however, is certain: the word "rape" has come to stick to Assange's name and his creation, WikiLeaks. A Google search for "wikileaks rape" returns 3.09 million results. But will this association deliver a blow to the idea that is WikiLeaks?

Just a day after the two women went to police to file charges against Assange, Nicholas John Mead, a British freelance journalist, wrote on his blog : "Whether this is an orchestrated smear campaign, just two very silly girls, or a genuine case of rape and harassment, the fact is that WikiLeaks is bigger than Assange as he I'm sure would be the first to admit. It, and other projects like it, cannot be stopped."
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-12-09 19:23:17
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Both stories being almost identical from both women?

Yeah, this is a setup.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-12-09 19:32:01
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I'm deeply skeptical of these charges. Even the evidence as admitted by all parties seems dubious at best.

Extradition and imprisonment without any charges technically being filed yet seems... highly irregular.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-12-09 19:40:35
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It's all political pressure.

It's disgusting, really.

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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-09 20:32:20
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It's illegal for a condom to break?
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Apparently so.
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By Luz 2010-12-09 20:47:05
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I guess the condom broke in the middle and she alleges she didn't want it to continue at that point.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-12-09 20:54:20
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
When you're a company with virtually unlimited funds like Visa, it turns out Anonymous is not very Anonymous at all.

Remember folks: proxies don't make you un-trackable. They just force law enforcement to ask one more person to find out who you are.

Arrests are being made, starting with a 16-year old 4chan'er from the Netherlands.
I doubt it will go very far.. I doubt Visa, Mastercard, Paypal or any of the others are really concerned with bringing all those responsible to justice. The attacks became very public, so they need a scapegoat of sorts to put the blame on and prosecute to show "they won't be bullied" essentially.
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By Luz 2010-12-09 20:59:45
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
When you're a company with virtually unlimited funds like Visa, it turns out Anonymous is not very Anonymous at all.

Remember folks: proxies don't make you un-trackable. They just force law enforcement to ask one more person to find out who you are.

Arrests are being made, starting with a 16-year old 4chan'er from the Netherlands.
I doubt it will go very far.. I doubt Visa, Mastercard, Paypal or any of the others are really concerned with bringing all those responsible to justice. The attacks became very public, so they need a scapegoat of sorts to put the blame on and prosecute to show "they won't be bullied" essentially.
Assuming their laws concerning juvenile sentencing are similar to America in any way, the kid won't be put away for long. That's not really an effective deterrent. If they had any reason to not further pursue the DDoSers it's that the damage is done and Anonymous got the publicity they wanted. I don't think Anonymous is going to try to make any of these attacks go on indefinitely. Spending too much money time/money trying to track down the DDoSers that have no further interest in them isn't a productive way to deal with the issue. It's apparent they are not going to change their position because they were DDoS'd

Edit: My point, I guess, is that you don't scapegoat kids. They're stupid and impressionable. Hopefully their courts see it that way.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-12-09 21:02:23
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
When you're a company with virtually unlimited funds like Visa, it turns out Anonymous is not very Anonymous at all.

Remember folks: proxies don't make you un-trackable. They just force law enforcement to ask one more person to find out who you are.

Arrests are being made, starting with a 16-year old 4chan'er from the Netherlands.
Good for them.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-09 21:04:06
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Ramuh.Krizz said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
When you're a company with virtually unlimited funds like Visa, it turns out Anonymous is not very Anonymous at all.

Remember folks: proxies don't make you un-trackable. They just force law enforcement to ask one more person to find out who you are.

Arrests are being made, starting with a 16-year old 4chan'er from the Netherlands.
Good for them.
Word. IMO Anon was just causing trouble, lol.
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By Phoenix.Meldity 2010-12-09 21:25:05
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Whoop dee doo, one *** arrest, and he's underaged. Spoilers: He admitted doing it
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By Luz 2010-12-09 21:28:56
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If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent, it's that yes they can trace you, yes they will prosecute you, and there's nothing Anonymous will do to come to your defense.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-09 21:29:43
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/b/ is already calling *** and saying they're not to blame.

Take the glory, take the blame.
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By Phoenix.Meldity 2010-12-09 21:29:51
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Luz said:
If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent, it's that yes they can trace you, yes they will prosecute you, and there's nothing Anonymous will do to come to your defense.

>>If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent it's that yes they can trace you
>>it's that yes they can trace you
>>trace you

Hi i'm luz and i don't understand the internet.
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Luz said:
If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent, it's that yes they can trace you, yes they will prosecute you, and there's nothing Anonymous will do to come to your defense.
Or let the underage kid take the fall.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-09 21:32:31
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Phoenix.Meldity said:
Luz said:
If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent, it's that yes they can trace you, yes they will prosecute you, and there's nothing Anonymous will do to come to your defense.

>>If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent it's that yes they can trace you
>>it's that yes they can trace you
>>trace you

Hi i'm luz and i don't understand the internet.

Proxies are foolproof amirite?!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-09 21:37:54
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Phoenix.Meldity said:
Luz said:
If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent, it's that yes they can trace you, yes they will prosecute you, and there's nothing Anonymous will do to come to your defense.

>>If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent it's that yes they can trace you
>>it's that yes they can trace you
>>trace you

Hi i'm luz and i don't understand the internet.

Proxies are foolproof amirite?!
For $30 they better be, lmao.
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Leviathan.Chaosx said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Phoenix.Meldity said:
Luz said:
If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent, it's that yes they can trace you, yes they will prosecute you, and there's nothing Anonymous will do to come to your defense.

>>If there's any takeaway that can be used as a deterrent it's that yes they can trace you
>>it's that yes they can trace you
>>trace you

Hi i'm luz and i don't understand the internet.

Proxies are foolproof amirite?!
For $30 they better be, lmao.

Anonymous is legion guize scientology sucks I'm changing the world durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-09 21:53:25
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you know who is really anonymous?
the *** that plant the seeds and don't do ***.

essentially that's what "trolling" is as well.
the standard method is planting "trolls"(more thought out trolls in the UseNet yesteryear though), and then you watch and reap in lols rather than attack someone.
essentially you can bridge that to a lot of things.
planting a seeds has been a common practice hell...even the whole genesis deal with adam and eve with the apple and snake.
the art of persuasion works way better than silly DDoS attacks lol.
it can even make those silly attacks happen.
and cause people to believe things they see on the boob-toob as fact with slanted data and whatnot.

that's why the whole concept of anonymous is just yet another red herring in this world full of red herrings.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-12-10 01:49:38
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Too bad that freedom of speech in the US doesn't extend to classified documents. I guess if these stupid *** want to go fight wars themselves then they go ahead and reveal everything. I guess it's easy to *** people over when all you have to do is sit in your mansion and watch TV all day.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-12-10 01:58:46
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Even if he's found guilty our sentences are very mild compared to other countries. Murderers only get a few years, sometimes only 6 months.
 
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Too bad that freedom of speech in the US doesn't extend to classified documents. I guess if these stupid *** want to go fight wars themselves then they go ahead and reveal everything. I guess it's easy to *** people over when all you have to do is sit in your mansion and watch TV all day.
Someone sounds convinced that prosecuting this will be a no-brainer.

If somebody did it on US soil then yes, it would be prosecuted. However, anyone who has committed that crime outside of our borders can not be tried here under international law.
 
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So now to add to my conspiracy theory now: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_sweden_terror

Not even sure if it's related yet, but who knows. What got me was that no one was one killed. That and it's the first time in 30 years.


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