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Ignorance taken to the next level.
 Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-06 15:03:52
Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: I think Jet lives in a special world where scientists must apply the scientific method to every endeavor in life to be called a scientist.
A scientist must have blind faith in at least one thing to be a scientist. That one thing is called the scientific method.
scientific method is perfect, to say it requires faith is laughable. Scientific method is not perfect, to say otherwise is laughable. yes, yes it is.
By Dubont 2010-12-06 15:04:17
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Oh cool, Jet is back. Maybe he can clear up that whole Gregor Mendel thing for me after all ...
I told you already a person cannot be truly religious and truly a scientist at the same time, it's not possible. Unless you can find a religion that actually has provable facts and isn't an exercise in blind faith. actually...I'm just going to say something real quick, you can be completely religious and scientific at the same time? Why? Well, In calculus 2, we were taught about the Infinite possibility theory. There can be a 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% chance for something to happen, but there is no guarantee that it WILL happen/is true. In contrast, there can be a 0.0000000000000000000001% chance that something isn't possible/cannot be true, but there is no absolute guarantee the it CAN'T happen. This is where the idea of "Nothing is impossible but not everything is possible" comes from. Read this Jet, please.
try to tell a mathematician that there's a possibility that something that doesn't pass the vertical line test is a function and he'll laugh in your face. Again, there is always that .000000000000000000000000000000000001% that it CAN happen, according to mathematical theory. This is how you can religious and scientific at the same time.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-12-06 15:05:15
Dubont said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Dubont said: Phoenix.Excelior said: The people who wrote the bible are real as well. Maybe they claimed their inspiration was from God. I think that's a moot point. Better to have an inspiration than none at all. The constitution for all purposes is simply a piece of paper void of meaning. You choose to believe in it because you feel that is the best way to organize your life and society. Some religious people feel the Bible is the best method. Obviously, the Bible is obsolete for the organization of society but it is still a tool for some people. If you agree with the power of the constitution you MUST agree with the Bible. They are both simply the belief that something is the "best" way of organizing society/life. There is no concrete value assigned to either. Subjective Perception. I see what you are saying, but in this country, the Constitution is the law. The Bible is not. Religion was the law, once upon a time, and we saw what happened because of that. While both the Constitution and the Bible are nothing but ideas, one can see the rationality behind the Constitution a little more clearly than the Bible. Is the Constitution flawless? Absolutely not, which is why Amendments are constantly being made to keep up with the times. Is the Bible flawless? I will personally laugh in the face of anyone who says it is. We know who wrote the Constitution because we have the original Constitution, in English so there is no need for faulty translations. The Bible, on the other hands, is originally in Hebrew and the only way to properly translate the book would be to have someone who was of a neutral religion translate it. This is partly where the two differ. You have raised a good point. The ONLY reason the constitution still exists is because it is able to be amended and changed. I bet if the Bible could be edited into the views of most Christians today it would not be as violent/dividing. Considering that Bible has been rewritten many times, I believe that it can amended, but I also believe that that would cause major problems with those who believe. Once everyone switched from Old Testament to New Testament, there were many riots that broke out due to the New Testament being "blasphemy" and "the work of the Devil" just because it's a little less violent and hellish. So, I think the Bible should be amended, at least to fix a couple of contradictions within it, but to do so would be to go against the faith for "God Himself wrote the Bible." We know he didn't, but that's the idea lol.
The Civil War was fought to preserve slavery/constitutional right of only white men to vote.
The right for women to vote required a lot of sacrifice including torture inside of prison.
There are a lot more examples.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-06 15:05:40
Dubont said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Dubont said: Phoenix.Excelior said: The people who wrote the bible are real as well. Maybe they claimed their inspiration was from God. I think that's a moot point. Better to have an inspiration than none at all. The constitution for all purposes is simply a piece of paper void of meaning. You choose to believe in it because you feel that is the best way to organize your life and society. Some religious people feel the Bible is the best method. Obviously, the Bible is obsolete for the organization of society but it is still a tool for some people. If you agree with the power of the constitution you MUST agree with the Bible. They are both simply the belief that something is the "best" way of organizing society/life. There is no concrete value assigned to either. Subjective Perception. I see what you are saying, but in this country, the Constitution is the law. The Bible is not. Religion was the law, once upon a time, and we saw what happened because of that. While both the Constitution and the Bible are nothing but ideas, one can see the rationality behind the Constitution a little more clearly than the Bible. Is the Constitution flawless? Absolutely not, which is why Amendments are constantly being made to keep up with the times. Is the Bible flawless? I will personally laugh in the face of anyone who says it is. We know who wrote the Constitution because we have the original Constitution, in English so there is no need for faulty translations. The Bible, on the other hands, is originally in Hebrew and the only way to properly translate the book would be to have someone who was of a neutral religion translate it. This is partly where the two differ.
You have raised a good point. The ONLY reason the constitution still exists is because it is able to be amended and changed. I bet if the Bible could be edited into the views of most Christians today it would not be as violent/dividing. Considering that Bible has been rewritten many times, I believe that it can amended, but I also believe that that would cause major problems with those who believe. Once everyone switched from Old Testament to New Testament, there were many riots that broke out due to the New Testament being "blasphemy" and "the work of the Devil" just because it's a little less violent and hellish. So, I think the Bible should be amended, at least to fix a couple of contradictions within it, but to do so would be to go against the faith for "God Himself wrote the Bible." We know he didn't, but that's the idea lol.
the bible needs kept as a study work as something really stupid that people followed for no good reason, why do you think for the longest time the church organizations didn't allow people to own bibles, that the only ones who could interpret "gods words" were ordained priests, because if you read it yourself you'll realize the thing is *** up to no end.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-06 15:06:53
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said:
So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical.
I lol'd
or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know.
Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-12-06 15:07:04
Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Oh cool, Jet is back. Maybe he can clear up that whole Gregor Mendel thing for me after all ... I told you already a person cannot be truly religious and truly a scientist at the same time, it's not possible. Unless you can find a religion that actually has provable facts and isn't an exercise in blind faith. actually...I'm just going to say something real quick, you can be completely religious and scientific at the same time? Why? Well, In calculus 2, we were taught about the Infinite possibility theory. There can be a 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% chance for something to happen, but there is no guarantee that it WILL happen/is true. In contrast, there can be a 0.0000000000000000000001% chance that something isn't possible/cannot be true, but there is no absolute guarantee the it CAN'T happen. This is where the idea of "Nothing is impossible but not everything is possible" comes from. Read this Jet, please. try to tell a mathematician that there's a possibility that something that doesn't pass the vertical line test is a function and he'll laugh in your face. Again, there is always that .000000000000000000000000000000000001% that it CAN happen, according to mathematical theory. This is how you can religious and scientific at the same time.
See. Jet doesn't actually believe in science or logic. Jet only believes that he is always right. In fact I think Jet is religious because he clearly believes himself to be god/omnipotent. The kid is void of logical reasoning.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-06 15:07:18
Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Oh cool, Jet is back. Maybe he can clear up that whole Gregor Mendel thing for me after all ...
I told you already a person cannot be truly religious and truly a scientist at the same time, it's not possible. Unless you can find a religion that actually has provable facts and isn't an exercise in blind faith. actually...I'm just going to say something real quick, you can be completely religious and scientific at the same time? Why? Well, In calculus 2, we were taught about the Infinite possibility theory. There can be a 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% chance for something to happen, but there is no guarantee that it WILL happen/is true. In contrast, there can be a 0.0000000000000000000001% chance that something isn't possible/cannot be true, but there is no absolute guarantee the it CAN'T happen. This is where the idea of "Nothing is impossible but not everything is possible" comes from. Read this Jet, please.
try to tell a mathematician that there's a possibility that something that doesn't pass the vertical line test is a function and he'll laugh in your face. Again, there is always that .000000000000000000000000000000000001% that it CAN happen, according to mathematical theory. This is how you can religious and scientific at the same time.
how about no, there aren't exceptions to rules in mathematics, that's what makes them rules, this isn't english class.
unless somebody can provide evidence for their faith (making it no longer blind faith) then it is impossible for a person to be both.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-06 15:08:25
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said:
So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical.
I lol'd
or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know.
Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist.
typical religious logic there, this thread makes me fear for the future.
By Luz 2010-12-06 15:09:37
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said:
So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical.
I lol'd
or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know.
Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist.
typical religious logic there, this thread makes me fear for the future. Best off yourself now, it only gets worse and you won't go to hell for it!
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By Titan.Wombat 2010-12-06 15:09:45
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said:
So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical.
I lol'd
or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know.
Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist.
Big Foot died at the end of "Strange Wilderness"; everyone knows that.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2010-12-06 15:09:50
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: I think Jet lives in a special world where scientists must apply the scientific method to every endeavor in life to be called a scientist. A scientist must have blind faith in at least one thing to be a scientist. That one thing is called the scientific method. scientific method is perfect, to say it requires faith is laughable.
1.) Nothing is perfect
2.) Science never proves anything. It only supports or refutes. This simple mistake in nomenclature signals right away that one lacks a proper scientific education.
3.) Scientific method is not a perfect system. If it was then it would be full proof that scientists don't make mistakes. Most published papers have at least something that can be legitamantly questioned.
4.) Having faith in what you study is a recipe for disaster. This usually comes in the form of assumptions. These are extremely dangerous.
I'm sorry Jet, but you either have no science background, a terrible one, or are in the infancy of your scientific education. Not only that but you are either unable to construct and organize your thoughts, back them up with nothing more than insults or 3 word phrases, or you are getting your rocks off seeing several people formulate logical conversation/debate to your arse-hattery.
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By Dubont 2010-12-06 15:13:01
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Oh cool, Jet is back. Maybe he can clear up that whole Gregor Mendel thing for me after all ...
I told you already a person cannot be truly religious and truly a scientist at the same time, it's not possible. Unless you can find a religion that actually has provable facts and isn't an exercise in blind faith. actually...I'm just going to say something real quick, you can be completely religious and scientific at the same time? Why? Well, In calculus 2, we were taught about the Infinite possibility theory. There can be a 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% chance for something to happen, but there is no guarantee that it WILL happen/is true. In contrast, there can be a 0.0000000000000000000001% chance that something isn't possible/cannot be true, but there is no absolute guarantee the it CAN'T happen. This is where the idea of "Nothing is impossible but not everything is possible" comes from. Read this Jet, please.
try to tell a mathematician that there's a possibility that something that doesn't pass the vertical line test is a function and he'll laugh in your face. Again, there is always that .000000000000000000000000000000000001% that it CAN happen, according to mathematical theory. This is how you can religious and scientific at the same time.
how about no, there aren't exceptions to rules in mathematics, that's what makes them rules, this isn't english class.
unless somebody can provide evidence for their faith (making it no longer blind faith) then it is impossible for a person to be both. This is one of the rules of mathematics...did you not take anything higher than geometry? This is a higher level mathematical theory. There is ALWAY a chance that something can happen and ALWAYS a chance that something can't. There is never 100% possibility for ANYTHING. If you disagree, Richard Dawkins would like to have a word with you, sir.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-06 15:13:22
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: There's nothing wrong with hating religion from your background, but to say every culture and religion believing person is ignorant is more arrogant than the people you so hatefully wish didn't exist, but hey, have fun. not if you understand the concepts behind it, there is no reason to believe in a deity, it's ignorant to claim your faith is a reason.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-12-06 15:13:37
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said: So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical. I lol'd or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know. Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist. typical religious logic there, this thread makes me fear for the future.
How is there bad logic?
You believe god can't exist because there is no proof that he does not.
Conclusion: You believe that proof is required before you can believe.
You believe that god does can't exist yet there is no proof that he does not.
Conclusion: You do not have proof therefore you can not believe he does not exist.
If you don't agree that he does not exist then you must therefore believe that he either exists or could exist.
What's your proof that he could exist? None.
What's the proof that he doesnt exist? None.
What should your opinion be? That it is possible, based upon our currently knowledge, that god may exist. However, it is impossible to prove or disprove and therefore impossible to have a stance AT ALL on the matter because even theories require proof.
You are thus illogical. You have based your entire argument on that fact that religion is illogical and therefore stupid.
Conclusion: If something is illogical it is stupid
Therefore:
Jet you are illogical
Jet you must be stupid.
This thread is over because you have just logically been destroyed. Good luck in future posts.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-06 15:14:14
Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Oh cool, Jet is back. Maybe he can clear up that whole Gregor Mendel thing for me after all ...
I told you already a person cannot be truly religious and truly a scientist at the same time, it's not possible. Unless you can find a religion that actually has provable facts and isn't an exercise in blind faith. actually...I'm just going to say something real quick, you can be completely religious and scientific at the same time? Why? Well, In calculus 2, we were taught about the Infinite possibility theory. There can be a 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% chance for something to happen, but there is no guarantee that it WILL happen/is true. In contrast, there can be a 0.0000000000000000000001% chance that something isn't possible/cannot be true, but there is no absolute guarantee the it CAN'T happen. This is where the idea of "Nothing is impossible but not everything is possible" comes from. Read this Jet, please.
try to tell a mathematician that there's a possibility that something that doesn't pass the vertical line test is a function and he'll laugh in your face. Again, there is always that .000000000000000000000000000000000001% that it CAN happen, according to mathematical theory. This is how you can religious and scientific at the same time.
how about no, there aren't exceptions to rules in mathematics, that's what makes them rules, this isn't english class.
unless somebody can provide evidence for their faith (making it no longer blind faith) then it is impossible for a person to be both. This is one of the rules of mathematics...did you not take anything higher than geometry? This is a higher level mathematical theory. There is ALWAY a chance that something can happen and ALWAYS a chance that something can't. There is never 100% possibility for ANYTHING. If you disagree, Richard Dawkins would like to have a word with you, sir.
*** richard dawkins, and no.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-06 15:14:44
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said: So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical. I lol'd or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know. Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist. typical religious logic there, this thread makes me fear for the future.
How is there bad logic?
You believe god can't exist because there is no proof that he does not.
Conclusion: You believe that proof is required before you can believe.
You believe that god does can't exist yet there is no proof that he does not.
Conclusion: You do not have proof therefore you can not believe he does not exist.
If you don't agree that he does not exist then you must therefore believe that he either exists or could exist.
What's your proof that he could exist? None.
What's the proof that he doesnt exist? None.
What should your opinion be? That it is possible, based upon our currently knowledge, that god may exist. However, it is impossible to prove or disprove and therefore impossible to have a stance AT ALL on the matter because even theories require proof.
You are thus illogical. You have based your entire argument on that fact that religion is illogical and therefore stupid.
Conclusion: If something is illogical it is stupid
Therefore:
Jet you are illogical
Jet you must be stupid.
This thread is over because you have just logically been destroyed. Good luck in future posts.
I have never stated god can't exist, you're a dumbass, go away.
"What should your opinion be? That it is possible, based upon our currently knowledge, that god may exist. However, it is impossible to prove or disprove and therefore impossible to have a stance AT ALL on the matter because even theories require proof. " this part you actually got right, but you fail to put it with logic
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-12-06 15:15:13
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said: So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical. I lol'd or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know. Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist. typical religious logic there, this thread makes me fear for the future. How is there bad logic? You believe god can't exist because there is no proof that he does not. Conclusion: You believe that proof is required before you can believe. You believe that god does can't exist yet there is no proof that he does not. Conclusion: You do not have proof therefore you can not believe he does not exist. If you don't agree that he does not exist then you must therefore believe that he either exists or could exist. What's your proof that he could exist? None. What's the proof that he doesnt exist? None. What should your opinion be? That it is possible, based upon our currently knowledge, that god may exist. However, it is impossible to prove or disprove and therefore impossible to have a stance AT ALL on the matter because even theories require proof. You are thus illogical. You have based your entire argument on that fact that religion is illogical and therefore stupid. Conclusion: If something is illogical it is stupid Therefore: Jet you are illogical Jet you must be stupid. This thread is over because you have just logically been destroyed. Good luck in future posts. I have never stated god can't exist, you're a dumbass, go away.
LOL brb finding quotes.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2010-12-06 15:15:33
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: 1.) Nothing is perfect The human body is perfect, but life is not.
Perhaps some women come close to this ~.o
But the human body is not perfect. Look up how our eye is constructed compared to some of animals. Its akin to having the wires draped over the front of your tv screen.
Also the human body is not symmetrical if you want to look at it from an artistic stand point.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-06 15:18:16
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said: So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical. I lol'd or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know. Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist. typical religious logic there, this thread makes me fear for the future. How is there bad logic? You believe god can't exist because there is no proof that he does not. Conclusion: You believe that proof is required before you can believe. You believe that god does can't exist yet there is no proof that he does not. Conclusion: You do not have proof therefore you can not believe he does not exist. If you don't agree that he does not exist then you must therefore believe that he either exists or could exist. What's your proof that he could exist? None. What's the proof that he doesnt exist? None. What should your opinion be? That it is possible, based upon our currently knowledge, that god may exist. However, it is impossible to prove or disprove and therefore impossible to have a stance AT ALL on the matter because even theories require proof. You are thus illogical. You have based your entire argument on that fact that religion is illogical and therefore stupid. Conclusion: If something is illogical it is stupid Therefore: Jet you are illogical Jet you must be stupid. This thread is over because you have just logically been destroyed. Good luck in future posts. I have never stated god can't exist, you're a dumbass, go away.
LOL brb finding quotes.
you won't find them, the only part you got right out of that entire *** you just spewed was it's illogical to claim a god does or doesn't exist, and religion is one of these stances, therefore all religion is illogical and or stupid.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-12-06 15:18:46
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said: So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical. I lol'd or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know. Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist. typical religious logic there, this thread makes me fear for the future. How is there bad logic? You believe god can't exist because there is no proof that he does not. Conclusion: You believe that proof is required before you can believe. You believe that god does can't exist yet there is no proof that he does not. Conclusion: You do not have proof therefore you can not believe he does not exist. If you don't agree that he does not exist then you must therefore believe that he either exists or could exist. What's your proof that he could exist? None. What's the proof that he doesnt exist? None. What should your opinion be? That it is possible, based upon our currently knowledge, that god may exist. However, it is impossible to prove or disprove and therefore impossible to have a stance AT ALL on the matter because even theories require proof. You are thus illogical. You have based your entire argument on that fact that religion is illogical and therefore stupid. Conclusion: If something is illogical it is stupid Therefore: Jet you are illogical Jet you must be stupid. This thread is over because you have just logically been destroyed. Good luck in future posts. I have never stated god can't exist, you're a dumbass, go away. "What should your opinion be? That it is possible, based upon our currently knowledge, that god may exist. However, it is impossible to prove or disprove and therefore impossible to have a stance AT ALL on the matter because even theories require proof. " this part you actually got right, but you fail to put it with logic
Do you need me to logically explain it? You aren't that stupid.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-12-06 15:19:38
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said: So you believe in god then Jet? There is no conclusive proof that God doesn't exist. It would be blind faith to say that he does not. I am glad to see that you are now either religious or completely illogical. I lol'd or you can just say there is no reason to believe he does or doesn't, but why add a god in the picture in the first place, you're either illogical or don't take a stance on the issue we don't know. Religious people and people who claim there is no god at all are in the same boat on that. Also by his logic there is a Spaghetti Monster, big foot, etc. because there is no conclusive proof they do not exist. typical religious logic there, this thread makes me fear for the future. How is there bad logic? You believe god can't exist because there is no proof that he does not. Conclusion: You believe that proof is required before you can believe. You believe that god does can't exist yet there is no proof that he does not. Conclusion: You do not have proof therefore you can not believe he does not exist. If you don't agree that he does not exist then you must therefore believe that he either exists or could exist. What's your proof that he could exist? None. What's the proof that he doesnt exist? None. What should your opinion be? That it is possible, based upon our currently knowledge, that god may exist. However, it is impossible to prove or disprove and therefore impossible to have a stance AT ALL on the matter because even theories require proof. You are thus illogical. You have based your entire argument on that fact that religion is illogical and therefore stupid. Conclusion: If something is illogical it is stupid Therefore: Jet you are illogical Jet you must be stupid. This thread is over because you have just logically been destroyed. Good luck in future posts. I have never stated god can't exist, you're a dumbass, go away. LOL brb finding quotes. you won't find them, the only part you got right out of that entire *** you just spewed was it's illogical to claim a god does or doesn't exist, and religion is one of these stances, therefore all religion is illogical and or stupid.
So you aren't an athiest now? You were a few weeks ago.
By Dubont 2010-12-06 15:21:11
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Dubont said: Dubont said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Oh cool, Jet is back. Maybe he can clear up that whole Gregor Mendel thing for me after all ...
I told you already a person cannot be truly religious and truly a scientist at the same time, it's not possible. Unless you can find a religion that actually has provable facts and isn't an exercise in blind faith. actually...I'm just going to say something real quick, you can be completely religious and scientific at the same time? Why? Well, In calculus 2, we were taught about the Infinite possibility theory. There can be a 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% chance for something to happen, but there is no guarantee that it WILL happen/is true. In contrast, there can be a 0.0000000000000000000001% chance that something isn't possible/cannot be true, but there is no absolute guarantee the it CAN'T happen. This is where the idea of "Nothing is impossible but not everything is possible" comes from. Read this Jet, please.
try to tell a mathematician that there's a possibility that something that doesn't pass the vertical line test is a function and he'll laugh in your face. Again, there is always that .000000000000000000000000000000000001% that it CAN happen, according to mathematical theory. This is how you can religious and scientific at the same time.
how about no, there aren't exceptions to rules in mathematics, that's what makes them rules, this isn't english class.
unless somebody can provide evidence for their faith (making it no longer blind faith) then it is impossible for a person to be both. This is one of the rules of mathematics...did you not take anything higher than geometry? This is a higher level mathematical theory. There is ALWAY a chance that something can happen and ALWAYS a chance that something can't. There is never 100% possibility for ANYTHING. If you disagree, Richard Dawkins would like to have a word with you, sir.
*** richard dawkins, and no. Ah, now I see you truly are a troll. Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, two of the more recent popular atheists, both agree with the Infinite Possibilities theory...You are no atheist, sir, you are a rebellious, pompous ***.
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By Luz 2010-12-06 15:21:30
We need some filters on this site that don't allow submission of posts with the word "logic", "ignorant", or "Bahamut.Jetackuu said:"
Problem solved.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2010-12-06 15:24:25
Dubont said: You are no atheist, sir, you are a rebellious, pompous ***. There it is. Truth, finally!
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2010-12-06 15:28:15
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: 1.) Nothing is perfect The human body is perfect, but life is not. Perhaps some women come close to this ~.o But the human body is not perfect. Look up how our eye is constructed compared to some of animals. Its akin to having the wires draped over the front of your tv screen. Also the human body is not symmetrical if you want to look at it from an artistic stand point. All creatures are not equal of course and you can in no way compare a human being to an animal; each animal has it's own specific detail that can not be compared to the other. That is why it is called "XX" species and not human. Also, human's have more brain functionality than any other creature to ever exist, saying other wise means you are an unsatisfying human being.
I'm not sure you understand evolutionary genetics completely. Animals (which we are) are usually just adapted/evolve to survive and nothing more- overkill is a waste of energy and resources. It may be survival of the fitest, but nature has time and time again proven that there is always a better design. Perfect would also imply no mistakes. We have plenty of genetic diseases. Perfect would also mean we wouldn't be evolving. And the length of human history is way to short to do any analysis of evolving but there are lots of ideas on where we are heading.
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