Here Is Your Holy Man, Bathed In The Blood Of Inno

Have I seen it personally? No, I've seen people beat within an inch of their life for no reason, but that's as close as I've ever come to witnessing a murder.

However, my brother was murdered, so I have been personally affected by it, I need not see it with my own eyes to know it happens.

This was my reply on the other page, I can see why you would not want to reevaluate your opinion now. Losing a family member or close friend is difficult, even more-so at the hand of another and that would not be something I'd really want to evaluate either.
Evil still describes the act better than the person though.
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You are just dodging the question.
Asking yourself why you think humans are inherently asks yourself why you came to that conclusion.
Trying to facilitate a way to explain this to me allows you to actually use your brain to look back through your memories and determine how that reasoning came to be, what spurned it.
Being able to explain why also allows you to evaluate your opinions, without that ability you are just shooting yourself in the foot.
Just saying people are evil because they act on instinct sounds a bit silly to me, when in turn this said instinct can protect life making it become inherently "good"
I may be complicating it, but it's not some unnecessary complication.
and how would you not hold your opinion more than mine?
since it's your opinion that in fact means by default that you are accepting it to be over mine.
you saying that it's not is just an excuse.

What the hell are you even saying with this?

um, no.

ftfy

why are the two separated?
it's not like you become unselfish once you get married or start a family.
being selfish is an innate trait that you have from birth.
you must serve yourself to serve others.
similar to the concept of loving yourself to be able to love others.

blanketstatement or not, he's right.

What now?

He is?

Why should they be 50%?
Why do you have to put a percentage in there?
It's not something you can even measure man.
these are two separate concepts that effect each other, they don't fit into some set that percentages can be derived from.

study history, then you'll know.

aren't we all crazy?

Where did I say that they reflect each other?
You can't regulate stuff like that.
You can say "I'm going to do something for my family...bladdybladdy bladdy bla", but you are doing it for them for a purpose, for a feeling, for something that you would indulge in.
Since we aren't all the same not everyone indulges in the same things.
But there isn't some meter that you can pull out and say "I'm going to be 57% selfish today!", everyone is 100% selfish at all times.
if you want to put a percentage to it.

but not everything is made up of 100%, only thing you can do that with are things that can be quantified.
People indulge in pain, pleasure, comfort, stress...pretty much anything you can think of and something is being indulged for it.
If you aren't indulging in something like let's say someone is hacking off your arm with a saw, you aren't indulging in your arm getting cut off, you are indulging in your thoughts, and possibly indulging in the possibility that you might pass out, or the possibility of escape.

Catholic Church was extremely corrupt in the Dark Ages. The Catholic Church admits that. The Catholic Church today isn't in anyway or form comparable to the crazy it was back then.

You can hate them for their past mistakes or you can forgive and move on, but holding a grudge sure won't help.

I can't say I'm an avid historian but I have taken my fair share of history classes. There have been many tyrants/crazies/war mongering states that were not the catholic church in history as well. Why single out the church? Most of the things done were mirroring the times and what was happening at that time period anyways. Am I saying that makes it right, no. Just seems like you guys have it out for religion because you disagree with it.

Would you rather just have people say certain individuals are crazy?
or would that offend you as well?

Considering everyone who claims to be a part of religion is a *** nut case they don't need to actually do anything nutty to prove it.

Saying their is a god is the equivalent of me saying the Great Gazoo sits on my shoulder and tells me things, and if I did I'd expect people to treat me like a crazy ***, just the same as all people who belong to religions need to be treated.

I have it out for religion because I don't like crazy people, nor do I like a line of thinking that is holding back humanity.

How do you know it's holding back humanity?
Have you seen a humanity without religion?
Who's to say we wouldn't have another driving force behind stuff you *** about.
Religion may be holding back what you feel is an ideal humanity.
But that's life, the contrast between your projected reality and actual reality.

You sound to me more like a crazy *** because you hate people based on their beliefs. I don't know if you know this but you seem to be just as bad as other extremists because you have no tolerance for people with a different belief then your own.

He has one, he just doesn't use it all the time.
I like to deconstruct beliefs that are not my own as well as my own.
But thinking logically and thinking with your heart seems to clash quite a few times.
But that's just how humans are, and that's why people have to go to the extreme of saying that they completely disagree with something.
They have to depend on solid beliefs systems to complete who they are.
Ignoring and buzzing out others is just the easy way out.
And the religious and atheistic alike both do this.
Not all of them on both sides.
But I'd imagine a good deal likely does.

pay attention for a second, I said the line of thinking that's holding back humanity, religion is just a product of that line of thinking.

I never said I hated anyone, I just prefer to not be surrounded by crazy ***.

you can't think with the heart, it's an organ that isn't used nor capable of the function of "thinking"

not believing, knowing.

Unless you're going to sit here and say the world has been better off due to a bunch of crazy *** running around killing each other based on differences in illogical solutions to ignorance.