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 Siren.Eagleeyes
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-11-16 20:40:26
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Ramuh.Haseyo said:
Square Enix have announced the remaining players of Final Fantasy XIV will be given a third free month
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This month’s version update, tentatively scheduled for November 25, marks the first step in bringing about significant improvement to FINAL FANTASY XIV, guided in large part by the feedback you, the players, have provided.

No subscription fees... player feedback being used by developers to address and fix significant issues with the game... is it just me, or does it sound like XIV is still in its testing phases?

Oh no wait, that can't be right. Because they had the "official release" a while ago and now people have to buy copies of the game to play it don't they? Yeah, silly me.

This is how I imagine it going down (sorry for giant post. I get carried away with these things sometimes).

SE Developers: Okay, here's the plan. FFXIV is our new MMO. It's going to be bigger and better than XI in every way possible. We've had nearly a decade's worth of experience in managing this type of game, so we know what we're doing. But if we're going to achieve this, we'll need time to get everything perfect.
SE Suits: Whoa, whoa, whoa... it sounds like you're saying this game is going to take a long time to produce.
Devs: Well, yeah it is. If we want it to be as good as it can be.
Suits: Hmm, okay. Just don't take too long. We've got quotas and stuff to meet.

*Some time later*

Suits: So, how's XIV coming along?
Devs: Oh you know, it's getting there. Piece by piece.
Suits: Really? That's great. By the way, we're going to open the game to the public for testing.
Devs: But it's not really ready for that yet... there's a few key issues we'd like to get sorted out before we start gathering and working from people's feedback.
Suits: Oh sure, that's fine. Besides, we're not really going to be having them test the game. It's more of a marketing scheme. Give people a taste of what's to come. Whet their appetites, so to speak.
Devs: So... we won't be paying attention to their thoughts on the game?
Suits: Goodness no! As long as we can get people to buy the game, we'll be fine. By the way, we're releasing before the end of the year.
Devs: Wait, what?
Suits: Back to work, you busy little bees! Buzz buzz!

*Leading up to the release date*

Devs: This game is nowhere near ready for this.
Suits: So? It's Final F-ing Fantasy. We'll make millions based on that fact alone.
Devs: We really think that we should give this game a proper beta test. Get some players into the game to take it for a real spin... let them see what they like, see what they don't, and then see what we can do to address those issues.
Suits: Nope, not enough time for that. We want to start selling now; get ourselves nice and rich by the end of the year.
Devs: But-
Suits: Who pays you your wages?
Devs: ... We'll be ready to release next week.

*FFXIV goes on sale*

Suits: Hooray! Finally we can start making some money off this thing. And once that 'free trial' we're expected to offer ends, we'll be rolling in subscription fee profits by Christmas.

*FFXIV is reviewed by critics*

Suits: No... No... Shut up. Shut up shut up shut up. Stop saying things like that! You'll give our product a bad name! You'll damage our sales figures!
Devs: *peeking head around the office door* Everything alright in here?
Suits: Quiet you.

*A few months after the release*

Suits: ****. Big ******ing ****ing ****-stain ****.
Devs: Heya dude. Hows that quota of yours doing?
Suits: *gets down on knees and reaches up at Devs* ... Help me!
Devs: 'Kay, what you want to do first is extend the free trial. People are pissed that the game isn't as good as it could or should have been, so we need to start regaining their trust. A gesture of good will would make a good start.
Suits: But the subscrption fe-
Devs: Do you want to save this game or not?
Suits: *sulking* Fine.
Devs: Next up, we're going to get back to work on addressing that customer feedback you so stupidly decided to ignore. We'll need time to get everything together for the first version update, so expect to extend the free trial again just in case.
Suits: *whimper*
Devs: Once that's done, hopefully we'll have given this game a fighting chance to survive an admittedly shaky start. With a bit of time and effort and a lot less being-greedy-***, this game can still be what we wanted it to be in the first place.
Suits: I suppose that does make sense. You guys get to work on what you do best and let us know how it goes. Oh, and one more thing.
Devs: Yes?
Suits: Wipe that smug little "we told you so" smile off your face.

Change suits to Wada.
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By Odin.Moondaddy 2010-11-16 20:48:16
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heh back when i got into beta i thought to myself this game wont be ready by the end of this year. was so sure of it almost missed out on my collectors edition. i will say i like 14 very much, but it was very very rushed. will i quit when they make us start payin? dont plan on it, alltho i will prob start playin more lol
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2010-11-16 22:29:23
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Good, let it die. Then FFXI will get graphical update like WOW is getting and an expansion to far east, ty.
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By deadfire 2010-11-16 22:44:52
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FFXIV won't die as a fact lol. FFXI was like this when it came JP release.
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By Unmei 2010-11-16 22:59:14
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
Good, let it die. Then FFXI will get graphical update like WOW is getting and an expansion to far east, ty.

QQ Aww...butthurt much ?




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By Leviathan.Draylo 2010-11-16 23:37:49
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FFXI is better ok?
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By Suterusu 2010-11-17 00:31:15
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
FFXI is better ok?

Dude go back to the FFXIAH forums, lol.
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By Bismarck.Naeo 2010-11-17 02:03:56
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FFXI is better because it's older, has had more things put into it over the ages, and all the bugs and annoyances have been removed and fixed over the years.

FFXIV will get better as it ages, and the dev teams puts more quests, items, classes, etc etc into it.

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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-11-17 02:33:00
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deadfire said:
FFXIV won't die as a fact lol. FFXI was like this when it came JP release.
Not that I'm anti-XIV as most of you are probably well aware by now.. but as a few others have already pointed out, back when FFXI was released and had all these problems, there wasn't a whole lot of choices for other MMO's.. Now there is. So the argument that "FFXI was ***at first too, and look at it now" isn't really as strong as you think it is.
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By Bismarck.Patrik 2010-11-17 03:14:37
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
deadfire said:
FFXIV won't die as a fact lol. FFXI was like this when it came JP release.
Not that I'm anti-XIV as most of you are probably well aware by now.. but as a few others have already pointed out, back when FFXI was released and had all these problems, there wasn't a whole lot of choices for other MMO's.. Now there is. So the argument that "FFXI was ***at first too, and look at it now" isn't really as strong as you think it is.
heh well they giving us 3 months of free play that will last us till the big fix patch and the first big content patch is released. so at least there is that
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By orionpk 2010-11-17 03:20:59
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all i see is tons of haters with dumb comments, this game wont die any time soon, i'm tired of reading crap
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-11-17 03:32:41
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Bismarck.Patrik said:
Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
deadfire said:
FFXIV won't die as a fact lol. FFXI was like this when it came JP release.
Not that I'm anti-XIV as most of you are probably well aware by now.. but as a few others have already pointed out, back when FFXI was released and had all these problems, there wasn't a whole lot of choices for other MMO's.. Now there is. So the argument that "FFXI was ***at first too, and look at it now" isn't really as strong as you think it is.
heh well they giving us 3 months of free play that will last us till the big fix patch and the first big content patch is released. so at least there is that
I just hope it's enough. This is the first ever MMO I've started from release, I wanted that head start for once, instead of playing catch up for all eternity... But I'm not delusional, if SE throws everything they got at making this game bring in and keep more people, and it still fails... They will very likely stop updating it or messing with it at all..
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By orionpk 2010-11-17 03:35:21
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anyone who say this game is ***equals troll to me ,or did not played enough ff14 or made it to rank 10 only because the game it's too complex to understand, the game have huge potential, i'm now rank40 thm i did all storylines that i can do at my rank, i can say the game is made of pure quality, bad thing is lack of content and gui, with some minimal irrelevant that will get fixed now in nov/dec, a lot of people complains about maps that are copy paste , i don't want to recall most ffxi zones that are fully copy pasted it/repeated again and again, specially areas like uleground rage, beaucedine glacier , castle oztroja, jugner forest, and the list goes on
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-11-17 03:46:45
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Good, let it die. Then FFXI will get graphical update like WOW is getting and an expansion to far east, ty.

FFXI isn't all that good anymore, either.

Careful, they might lynch you for talking in such a manner around here..
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-11-17 05:53:45
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<RandomLabGirl>:"Sir, it seems despite the game being free, people dont wanna play it."
<Horacio>:"I see. Well in this case, the worst thing in life..."
<puts on his dark glasses>
<Horacio>:"... is free."

yeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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By Shiva.Darkshade 2010-11-17 06:42:42
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Good, let it die. Then FFXI will get graphical update like WOW is getting and an expansion to far east, ty.

FFXI isn't all that good anymore, either.

Opinions > opinions. I personally still enjoy XI quite a bit.
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By Zekko 2010-11-17 08:05:32
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Both suck, XI is nearly 8(9?) years old now. XIV just hasnt got content, or enjoyment.
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By Izey 2010-11-17 08:26:52
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Asura.Poupee said:
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I don't see why people are quitting...everything is kinda buggy sure, but the game is free...runescape is buggy, but its free...and there are tons of people still playing that ancient piece of crap >.>
MAYBE CUZ ITS GOOOD


I think the point is to send a message ^^

Quiet frankly I don't feel SE did a very good job at backing up complaints for FF11, and Customer Service was pure S#@Q% when ever anyone had a problem about absolutely anything O_O!

The simple fact that so many people dropped this game like a bad habit will show them to not F#$@^ around with their customers this time, and that the BS from FF11 isn't gonna fly anymore ;o

I mean you can say "Yea it's Buggy but not that bad!" but think about it, hadn't all these people left... I'm positive SE wouldn't be trying so hard to fix things. <- No I'm serious...
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By Izey 2010-11-17 08:28:37
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Good, let it die. Then FFXI will get graphical update like WOW is getting and an expansion to far east, ty.

FFXI isn't all that good anymore, either.


Quiet frankly... Wow looks like S$W#^% and that update looks like S$#^ and the WoW Customers are also getting played.....

"CATACLYSIMSJISMFOSHIM! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!"

(But it's the exact same crap... just with lava on it -_-;)
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By Pawnskipper 2010-11-17 09:10:41
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Not trying to offend anyone or bash your opinions and I understand that you have time and money invested from release. But I dont get how they release a FAAAAAAR from fininshed game and people defend it like its your baby or something. But I guess that saying, "a sucker is born everyday" is true. I also understand that this happens all the time with tech. All new devices, games and such have their flaws at launch. But this "release now, fix later" mentality has got to stop. The company (or any company for that matter) isnt going to get any better with it if you keep defending them. They will just keep spewing out half assed things because they know you will like it anyway. Sure it will get better in time, but its only gonna be where it shoulda been at release. You can mock the people that quit all you want, but they quit for a reason. To me, this is a huge example of how corporations get so big. They half *** the quality and people buy. I really do hope this game gets better for all who enjoy it now. But at the same time I hope it bombs because it would serve as an example that even big names can fall when only living by the bottom line.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-11-17 09:44:14
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deadfire said:
FFXIV won't die as a fact lol. FFXI was like this when it came JP release.

it's like when they come to the posts from jearik, who works in the industry and probably has some insight on the matter

pointing out that things have changed since 2003 and flawed games don't survive long enough to be fixed

they put their hands over their eyes and chant LA LA LA I CAN'T SEE YOU
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By Leviathan.Rihoko 2010-11-17 09:49:34
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Bismarck.Naeo said:
FFXI is better because it's older, has had more things put into it over the ages, and all the bugs and annoyances have been removed and fixed over the years.

FFXIV will get better as it ages, and the dev teams puts more quests, items, classes, etc etc into it.


This is why I will play FFXIV at least 2 years later (if still exists).

Edit: It takes forever for SE to fix things, and their updates offer too little (it was for FFXI, and I don't think they will do better for FFXIV).
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-11-17 09:53:35
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Leviathan.Rihoko said:
Bismarck.Naeo said:
FFXI is better because it's older, has had more things put into it over the ages, and all the bugs and annoyances have been removed and fixed over the years.

FFXIV will get better as it ages, and the dev teams puts more quests, items, classes, etc etc into it.


This is why I will play FFXIV at least 2 years later (if still exists).
so, according to Naeo's logic, FFXI is like fine wine, aged to taste. While FFXIV is that cheap ***you find in liqour stores in black neighborhoods.
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By Unmei 2010-11-17 09:57:22
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If you don't like FF14 you can always go jump on the new garbage WOW cartoon stuff or go jump on the Old...um...new FF11 Abyssea stuff... those ps2 graphics are simply breath taking ^^ I'm sure after month of the repainted old zones with the pink tint you can sit in Whitegate in ugly lolfull af3 and be bored as usuall...
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By Leviathan.Rihoko 2010-11-17 10:07:06
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SE is horribly lazy and clumsy, this is why they fail as a company. Merge with Microsoft Games also has a contribution factor for this downfall. I'm so angry with them to see huge potentials are wasted. Is it too hard to listen player base? Electronic Arts was first on my hate list before. Congratulations SE, you replaced EA.
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By Phoenix.Tanthalass 2010-11-17 10:24:32
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Sageth said:
Ok I played FFXI since release...had 9 75 jobs goldsmithing 100+3 and a ton of HNM gear...sold my account for 980 bucks to put towards new computer and game for FFXIV...and I dont regret it one bit. I remember starting FFXI and you couldnt buiy ***unless you farm crystals all day long then you had to die numerous times trying to get to Dunes to party...spent a week trying to get lizzy boots... going to bastok and to dunes took hours...trying to find people to party with and looking for a good setu pwould take hours...one you are done with dunes you have to go to qufim island and that took hours and you might even die trying to get there delvl and end up lvling in dunes again anyway...onlything you could afford was conquest gear...yeah FFXIV starting out 10000000 freakin times better than FFXI and I cant wait for FFXIV to age...I have fun with my friends everyday and we accomplish stuff everyday and it doesn't take up a lot of time and I dont mind paying for the game and being a beta tester kinda haha...they already announced they are going to fix stuff so stop saying FFXI is better cuz if you think that than your a noob who didnt play before Rise of Zilart

Oh...did you import a copy from Japan? Or do you just have magic powers?

Regardless, you've missed the entire point. For starters, FFXI was a thousand times better on release. XIV is incomplete in every aspect of the word, something SE themselves are admitting. The fatigue system is bad, the economic system is so non-existent its pathetic. Crafting is more tedious and necessary, but just as random. Mobs are placed terribly. Party mechanics are awful.

And worst of all, the problems aren't simply with game mechanics. They made a UI designed for PS3 players for a game that's currently on PC. It's terribly menu driven, super clunky, and everything about it is godawful.

Square-Enix clearly didn't learn a single thing from FFXI. It pre-dated WoW, and was more Everquest modeled, and has struggled to catch up. The newest patches have actually made it an excellent game. I'm fairly certain it has more subscribers then FFXIV, which is absolutely pathetic.

XIV should have been a massive XI overhaul. Major graphical and UI updates with the ability to import your character, and a total repackage that would have generated a large influx of new users. WoW's done it multiple times, and its obviously worked out well for Blizzard.

XIV is an awful game. The reviews aren't wrong, the massive number of complaints aren't wrong. SE *** up their baby. Badly.


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By deadfire 2010-11-17 10:37:08
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Heh this is gonna be interesting when all this stuff comes through in November/December/March. The updates are *** sweet.
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By Sageth 2010-11-17 10:57:28
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When ffxi also came out everything was broken no AH no way to get new spells or they were so expensive you couldnt buy them and finally they dropped off of mobs. And even when they added Dynamis or Salvage or any New Event it would always be broken and they fix it as time goes on this has been throughout all of FFXI. Something new would come out it would suck and then they would fix it....7 years of this from SE im just so use to it and I bought the game knowing it was gonna be broken and that people would down it and complain, but I see this game fine tunning itself to something way better than FFXI. Its going to get fixed with SE there's a thing called patience amd FFXI was no different...everytime and expansion or update came out it was never complete....ever...ROZ COP TAOU WOTG were ALWAYS incomplete expansions...so why are people expecting this to be different? its the same company and its not WoW its way better...
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