My uncle is (was, semi retired and working in the courtrooms now) a cop in New-york. 40+ years of service. He's seen some of the worst, most gruesome crimes in the USA. He's worked on serial killer cases, psychopaths that chop people up, the works.
He saw a woman get stabbed in the stomach while someone grabbed her purse while he was sitting in his patrol car no more then 15 feet away -IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET-.
He's seen the after effects of people getting bludgeoned by bats and golfclubs.
He's seen people strung up and hung, run over with vehicles, tied and dumped into the water.
"What are the odds of that happening to me?" Slim. But slim is not 0%.
I own, practice, and carry so that I can to the best of my ability prevent myself and the ones I care about from becoming a victim and a statistic.
Basically all these arguments against my POV on this page are mired in the fact that you're all living scared ... which I would argue is not really living at all.
If you feel like you need a handgun to leave your home without fear of being mugged, beaten, or shot, then you really need to consider moving elsewhere, or perhaps get some psychotherapy to ease your phobias. If you are too afraid to leave the house, or sleep at night, without "an advantage", then again, I suggest you move to a remote private island, or get counseling. A firearm will NEVER bring you peace of mind.
Yes, there are evil people in the world, and there are good people who do evil things, too. The problem is that when you escalate the armament of citizens "for defense", you ironically ENCOURAGE additional violence, rather than the supposed desired effect of discouraging violence.
Most civilized countries that are comparable to the USA's standards or living do NOT allow citizens to have handguns for "self defense". And you're no more likely to be mugged/beaten/shot there than you are here in the USA.
Handguns are an addiction. Like toddlers' "blankies" and "binkies" ... except unlike those comforts, handguns kill people, and they often kill people who are NOT threats, criminals, intruders, savages, or even dangerous.
THAT is the problem. Innocent people should not die because you have an anxiety disorder or a phobia.
Basically all these arguments against my POV on this page are mired in the fact that you're all living scared ... which I would argue is not really living at all.
If you feel like you need a handgun to leave your home without fear of being mugged, beaten, or shot, then you really need to consider moving elsewhere, or perhaps get some psychotherapy to ease your phobias. If you are too afraid to leave the house, or sleep at night, without "an advantage", then again, I suggest you move to a remote private island, or get counseling. A firearm will NEVER bring you peace of mind.
Yes, there are evil people in the world, and there are good people who do evil things, too. The problem is that when you escalate the armament of citizens "for defense", you ironically ENCOURAGE additional violence, rather than the supposed desired effect of discouraging violence.
Most civilized countries that are comparable to the USA's standards or living do NOT allow citizens to have handguns for "self defense". And you're no more likely to be mugged/beaten/shot there than you are here in the USA.
Handguns are an addiction. Like toddlers' "blankies" and "binkies" ... except unlike those comforts, handguns kill people, and they often kill people who are NOT threats, criminals, intruders, savages, or even dangerous.
THAT is the problem. Innocent people should not die because you have an anxiety disorder or a phobia.
And here's where it got stupid and angry. :\
Despite every statement of understanding how rare it is, despite pretty much total agreement that understanding and training are vital, Elana calls us babies.
But I can see where people who do own them come from on this
It isn't that they fear being rapped or mugged without the handgun it's that they can stop that from happening to them or someone else when they do have it
I mean if I did have a handgun you can bet your *** I'd stop someone if they were mugging or raping or beating someone
I'm not living scared, I'm living very comfortably thanks.
You know what? I also have a room full of MRE's for hurricane season. Living in Florida and all it's not uncommon for the power to go out for days at a time when a hurricane makes landfall. But I'm just paranoid and scared right? No chance at all that I have no real life experience in these things and it's just a figment of my imagination.
No sir. I'm a paranoid gun nut who's itchen to shoot someone! Being prepared makes you a toddler.
I think what you're doing is confusing how you feel with how I and others who carry feel. There's a physhological term for that, but it escapes me at the moment.
I'm not afraid of being mugged, robbed, stabbed, shot or any other such thing. I am, however, aware that the possibility of it happening exists, and prepare myself accordingly. I don't live in a constant state of fear, and I have fun every day of my life, while I'm not at work.
Nothing else you said is worth arguing, as you can't argue against emotion.
Basically all these arguments against my POV on this page are mired in the fact that you're all living scared ... which I would argue is not really living at all.
If you feel like you need a handgun to leave your home without fear of being mugged, beaten, or shot, then you really need to consider moving elsewhere, or perhaps get some psychotherapy to ease your phobias. If you are too afraid to leave the house, or sleep at night, without "an advantage", then again, I suggest you move to a remote private island, or get counseling. A firearm will NEVER bring you peace of mind.
Yes, there are evil people in the world, and there are good people who do evil things, too. The problem is that when you escalate the armament of citizens "for defense", you ironically ENCOURAGE additional violence, rather than the supposed desired effect of discouraging violence.
Most civilized countries that are comparable to the USA's standards or living do NOT allow citizens to have handguns for "self defense". And you're no more likely to be mugged/beaten/shot there than you are here in the USA.
Handguns are an addiction. Like toddlers' "blankies" and "binkies" ... except unlike those comforts, handguns kill people, and they often kill people who are NOT threats, criminals, intruders, savages, or even dangerous.
THAT is the problem. Innocent people should not die because you have an anxiety disorder or a phobia.
Yes, everyone who thinks differently than you has a mental disorder. That explains everything, thanks for the clarification on my life.
Also, statistically Lolserj you would do nothing in the event of a crises.
It's so sad too. Not too long ago there was a cab driver that tried to stop a woman from being mugged. When he interfered he was stabbed in the stomach and the perp ran away. The cab driver collasped to the ground, bleeding out, calling for help infront of a store, on the sidewalk, IN THE MIDDLE OF NYC. In the middle of the day. People walked over him, walked around him, stopped and took pictures of him, all ignoring his cries for help. It took 45 min.s before the shop owner called 911. By the time paramedics got there he had bled out and died.
On the sidewalk. over a thousand people walked past him while he was dying.
Basically all these arguments against my POV on this page are mired in the fact that you're all living scared ... which I would argue is not really living at all.
If you feel like you need a handgun to leave your home without fear of being mugged, beaten, or shot, then you really need to consider moving elsewhere, or perhaps get some psychotherapy to ease your phobias. If you are too afraid to leave the house, or sleep at night, without "an advantage", then again, I suggest you move to a remote private island, or get counseling. A firearm will NEVER bring you peace of mind.
Yes, there are evil people in the world, and there are good people who do evil things, too. The problem is that when you escalate the armament of citizens "for defense", you ironically ENCOURAGE additional violence, rather than the supposed desired effect of discouraging violence.
Most civilized countries that are comparable to the USA's standards or living do NOT allow citizens to have handguns for "self defense". And you're no more likely to be mugged/beaten/shot there than you are here in the USA.
Handguns are an addiction. Like toddlers' "blankies" and "binkies" ... except unlike those comforts, handguns kill people, and they often kill people who are NOT threats, criminals, intruders, savages, or even dangerous.
THAT is the problem. Innocent people should not die because you have an anxiety disorder or a phobia.
Also, statistically Lolserj you would do nothing in the event of a crises.
If you're referring to the Bystander Effect, then that's not quite the same. That's for moderately populated areas where everyone expects someone else to help leading to nobody actually helping. It's a diffusion of responsibility. Now, for passers-by, people are more inclined to help, especially in less populated areas.
The same psychology is involved with if you offer a 1 million dollar reward to ask for something moderately complex, people will stand aside and expect someone more capable to contribute. Most people would compare their own ability with the vast sum of money and think that they would inevitably fall short, so they just don't waste their time.
I'm talking about assuming someone else feels a certain way about something, without knowledge about how they truly feel, based on how you would feel yourself about the same thing, IE Elanabelle saying everyone who carries a handgun is scared really means that Elanabelle would be scared if he carried a handgun.
I'm talking about assuming someone else feels a certain way about something, without knowledge about how they truly feel, based on how you would feel yourself about the same thing, IE Elanabelle saying everyone who carries a handgun is scared really means that Elanabelle would be scared if he carried a handgun.
Basically all these arguments against my POV on this page are mired in the fact that you're all living scared ... which I would argue is not really living at all.
If you feel like you need a handgun to leave your home without fear of being mugged, beaten, or shot, then you really need to consider moving elsewhere, or perhaps get some psychotherapy to ease your phobias. If you are too afraid to leave the house, or sleep at night, without "an advantage", then again, I suggest you move to a remote private island, or get counseling. A firearm will NEVER bring you peace of mind.
Yes, there are evil people in the world, and there are good people who do evil things, too. The problem is that when you escalate the armament of citizens "for defense", you ironically ENCOURAGE additional violence, rather than the supposed desired effect of discouraging violence.
Most civilized countries that are comparable to the USA's standards or living do NOT allow citizens to have handguns for "self defense". And you're no more likely to be mugged/beaten/shot there than you are here in the USA.
Handguns are an addiction. Like toddlers' "blankies" and "binkies" ... except unlike those comforts, handguns kill people, and they often kill people who are NOT threats, criminals, intruders, savages, or even dangerous.
THAT is the problem. Innocent people should not die because you have an anxiety disorder or a phobia.
If you are too afraid to leave the house, or sleep at night, without "an advantage", then again, I suggest you move to a remote private island, or get counseling. A firearm will NEVER bring you peace of mind.
Your right,the Sig P229 .40 S&W next to me at night doesn't bring me peace of mind,but the AR-15 in my closet does! =D
Despite every statement of understanding how rare it is, despite pretty much total agreement that understanding and training are vital, Elana calls us babies.
Welp, goodnight.
Incorrect. I'm certainly far from stupid, and I'm definitely not angry. I did not call you a baby. You inferred that. Inappropriately I might add. The analogy is not a stretch, however. Toddlers cling to familiar blankets and binkies because they make them feel comfortable and safe. I'd argue that many handgun carriers carry guns for the exact same reasons. What may start out as an effort to improve one's "self-defense" eventually, in many cases, simply evolves into an attachment disorder. Don't believe me? Okay then, sell or give away your handgun, today. Can't? Won't? Yeah ... I thought so.
I'm not living scared, I'm living very comfortably thanks.
You know what? I also have a room full of MRE's for hurricane season.
There is a line to be drawn between "being prepared" and "being paranoid". If you carry a handgun and have a room full of MRE's (assuming the "room" is anything larger than an attic trunk), then you've crossed that line. By your own admission, you're paranoid. However, you're not alone. I guess there's something to be said for that, maybe.
I'm not afraid of being mugged, robbed, stabbed, shot or any other such thing. I am, however, aware that the possibility of it happening exists, and prepare myself accordingly. I don't live in a constant state of fear, and I have fun every day of my life, while I'm not at work.
Sorta like I said to Terminus, if you claim that you're not afraid, then prove it. Sell or surrender your pistol today. If you can't or won't do it, what are you so afraid of?
I'm talking about assuming someone else feels a certain way about something, without knowledge about how they truly feel, based on how you would feel yourself about the same thing, IE Elanabelle saying everyone who carries a handgun is scared really means that Elanabelle would be scared if he carried a handgun.
No, you're quite wrong. I wouldn't be scared in the slightest by holding or firing a handgun. However, I would be ashamed of myself, for giving into fear, if I did buy/own/use one.
If you think you need a handgun, I adamantly protest that you're wrong. If handguns disappeared miraculously from the face of the Earth tonight, you would still be alive tomorrow morning. If the government recalled all handguns and revoked all permits, society would continue, and the nation would not devolve into chaos, and the police would not suddenly start smashing down your doors. Don't believe me? Then I'd say you're afraid of the unknown, a.k.a. paranoid ... and I'd be right.
Yes, everyone who thinks differently than you has a mental disorder. That explains everything, thanks for the clarification on my life.
I didn't say that, nor did I imply that. You inferred it. And much like Terminus, you inferred incorrectly. I do not think people with different opinions all have mental disorders. Anxiety disorders and phobias aren't exactly "mental disorders" anyways. More like psychological anomalies and aberrations. Most people have phobias. But most people don't need a handgun to soothe their phobias. People who argue in favor of handgun permits solely for "self-defense", do, for the most part.
If I had said handgun rights advocates are all schizophrenics, psychotic, bipolar, or delusional, then yes, you would have had a point, Mahayaya. Alas, I did not say that, so your arrow fell well short of its mark.
I work in a place that requires me to go do inspections in very dangerous neighborhoods.
Wait...Are you a property manager by chance? My ex-BF did that. I never understood why he kept a pistol in his car until he picked me up during lunch to do an inspection with him.
I had the nag nag nag, "Why you carry gun in the car?", "You're blowing things out of proportion!", "You're stupid!" attitude until that day that I accompanied him.
Do you think that open carry of firearms would be a good or bad thing?
Would armed citizens have been able to reduce the death toll at Columbine? The Killeen Texas Luby's cafeteria massacre? The Virginia Tech shooting? Would armed citizens make crooks think twice about mugging someone?
Would a plethora of firearms result in more road rage shootings? Impulse shootings when tempers flair? Innocent bystanders caught in crossfires? "Friendly Fire" incidents as one armed citizen mistakes the guy shooting the bad guy FOR the bad guy?
Not putting out my thoughts, just wanted to see what y'all would think on about a breakroom discussion we had at work today.
