Mandau & Offhand Dagger

also how are mandau/twash thfs holding up against other relic/mythic now? inside/out. was wondering if it was worth it or if i should just do drk. would like to compare my 90kannagi nin vs my 95 mandau thf xD

Depends on where you are speaking... my Mandau THF has always done well, but there are just some times that daggers are just too weak to compare to other DD options. However, inside Abbysea, my friend with his Ukon and I trade hate on pretty much anything because I'm literally critting nearly every hit, with the 3x procs much more often now.

If you like THF, then a Mandau is worth it, and depending on what they do for the final updates @ 99, it could be very worth it. Just sad to me that getting a relic is almost like a past time of showing dedication to a job - but I still love it.

Was doing Qilin Today.

Someone in my group got Coruscanti, We held the Adds, Didn't kill them.

You know the trading hate doesn't mean you're dealing massive dmg right?

VE, I don't understand it.

Qilin, used Twashtar/Lux Pugio, against epic Ukon WAR, he usually parses about 2-2.5x more damage than I do. Against epic Amano SAM, he usually parses 1.5x more damage than I do. Against near-epic Verethragna MNK, he usually does 1.25x more damage than I do. I beat out the above-average masamune SAM and average Ukon WAR. Same buffs all around, aside from the fact that I don't have stalwart's tonic yet.

THF is still where it's always been. Gets embarrassed by amazing players on war/sam/etc, but can outparse and surprise a lot of people.

I really don't. D: When I pull hate I just go "yay!" >.>;

This was actually me on my brothers account. So i can confirm this :D

It was a little Taru NIN, Who actually has one of the jobs 95 to use it. Was happy to see someone who could use it get it.

I on the other hand got 2 pairs of Boots and my third necklace.

You also couldn't find the right way to Qilin and ended up in the kirin room. Good show.

Slanderous Lies!

I was the first one in Sky, So I went to the Weapon Room @ Kirin Entrance, Then they told me to go to Genboob Island Weapon Room, And The porter In the Weapon Room that i generally go to Takes you to Kirin.

Which is why i said "Oh look, Kirin room!"

So farts in your general direction, good sir!

Edit: Also like how i can point out some of my Stalkers thanks to you now :)

Edit2: You weren't even there =.=a

I understand that as the other person gets hit, I'm going to take hate, and vice versa. That being said I can maintain hate as well, regardless as to the other person continually rebuilding hate. It's all about how you play the job. That being said, thanks for the trolling. Go back to your BLU forums, they may appreciate your comments more there.

He wasn't trolling. He was just pointing out that you don't understand the fundamentals of hate in this game, even though it's been out for about a decade.

And either you don't, or you're trying to pass off "doing well" as something that literally every job in the game can achieve; that is, trade hate with an Ukon WAR. Yes, even a SCH wielding a Lv1 dagger.

We all have our reference points, and for doing damage that is one thing that your "average THF" is not going to be able to boast about. I'm sorry that I didn't post the correct terms to give justification as to why I feel my Mandau was a valuable investment, and the fact that I've always felt that a THF can do well in DD situations. It always ends up being "lolTHF", when if you can in fact utilize the job properly with the proper gear/weapons.

My apologies to all that read this, as trading hate with a Ukon WAR is a TERRIBLE example of why I feel that a Mandau is a good weapon in the correct THF's hands.

This was a thread I created, and I was just posting my comments without attacking others posts directly. It would be great if the community could share the same common courtesy as to not make remarks when not necessary.

If pointing out a fundamental error in your understanding of game mechanics constitutes trolling, you might be a little butthurt.

hehe no offense draylo but "dealing massive damage" doesnt mean your trading or keeping hate either :P so useless point. u can trade hate without dealing any dmg. (yes im trollin him for fun)

but i agree that trading hate isnt the best example since thfs have abilities to spread hate and trick attacking doesnt give us the enmity but the "massive damage" :P was just curious if ppl had parses on how 95 mandy performs.

Since no ones actually said what they mean by you dont understand:

Hate caps, (after something like 8k dmg or something like that), and once you hit that cap your hate will stay at basically that point other than a very slight decaying aspect of one type of hate/getting hit. Then, whoever did the last action will then recap their hate and pull hate. Thus bouncing hate is a flawed arguement because after that initial 8k or so, you could(not saring you are) be hitting for 10 a round and the ukon could be doing 1k, but since thfs are going to attack faster, the 10dmg thf would actually be tanking more of the time.

Oh here we go

Mandau 99: 176 Attack +40 Additional effect: DMG Mercy Stroke D55: Circle after toxin

Whoopie fricken doo, +2dmg, +5atk and what seems to be a poison aura

Twashtar 99: Rudra 176 DEX +20 DMG Storm Aftermath D55: Circle after attack twice occasionally

+3dmg, +dex, wee.

From what I hear, the relic trial needs +1000 of stuff, and emp needs +500 of something. Yay, more time sinks.

Always getting the short end of the stick.

I, for one, look forward to our Ambush and Conspirator category 3 merits.

erm that kinda sucks for mandy.. i hope theres no sleeping mobs near u... and am i reading that right? all emps have Oat as aftermath aura?

I don't think there's any information on what "circle" and "after circle" effect does. Just gotta wait for more information to come out. I sure hope it's not aura, but it does sound like it.

i mean it could cast a Oat circle of affect after ws. im just saying looks like all emps will have this. meaning relic counterparts will surpass their emp friends by benefiting just as much from their aftermath. if it is like that

The stats are a bit jumbled as a result of stuffing a single line of information in a translator.

Fairly certain that it should be

Mandau 99:
DMG: 55
Delay: 176
Attack +40
Additional effect: Poison
Mercy Stroke
And the circle part I'm not really sure, would have to look at the original Japanese text to understand its context.

Twashtar 99:
DMG: 55
Delay: 176
DEX +20
Rudra's Storm
Aftercircle: Occasionally deals double damage

Poison is not an aura and Empyreans do not get OAT.

Edit:
Mandau 99:
DMG: 55
Delay: 176
Attack +40
Mercy Stroke
Additional effect: Poison
Aftercircle

Twashtar 99:
DMG: 55
Delay: 176
DEX +20
Rudra's Storm
Aftermath: Occasionally deals double damage
Aftercircle

ya i know they dont figured either a translation issue or 99s got OaT. anyways even if it is ODD as long as its a party+ AoE aftermath then thats kinda sad lol

and it said Toxin so i would assume its a strong poison that has an AoE after ws... so anything in range would get poisoned.

Ugh...now that my initial rage is gone and I've calmed down a bit, it's probably AOE crit rate+5% for the Mandau since that's what the actual aftermath is.

true

Says "toxin" in that translation, but it's the same exact additional effect as before. Furthermore, the "circle" is not related to the poison at all, it's Aftercircle, just like seen on Empyreans.

Actually, the strange part, now that I'm looking at the dat mines, is that Twashtar gets aftermath and aftercircle, but aftercircle has no description with it.

was going to say if empy aftermath becomes party buff then relic dagger > emp dagger.

Anyone else notice after test server update the +att on mandau is working in offhand now?

Wut? Are you serious? Can someone else second the confirmation?