Mandau & Offhand Dagger

but it depends when i can use the 5 hours, i am at school in the evening that's when most of my friends / ls mates are online. and i am on when only 5-8 ppl are on in ls (point with avaibility of ppl,also for raider's boomerang,epona's ring,Atheling Mantle,Ballerines [umm lost the lots ><],homam......).
now tell me how to get the Twilight belt with 9/9 and 4/6.
and well believe it or not, i do up to 2,5k eviscerations in tp gear without sa....... even on IT bluffalos

Rapparee is soloable, dagger is a bit harder to replace I will grant you, Qirmiz is from the AH and Raider's Boomerang is a simple duo, Atheling you can duo an entire set for or get them practically freedrop from anyone requiring Orthrus Claws for an upgrade, Durinn is incredibly easy to build a pop for when hunting Ballerines. Twilight Belt, hunt your remaining Cutarae!

rawr thx for the last sentence. seems like u got it.i need to do it but that will be done in future and even if u tell me a 100k times now that i should do this and that i won't get it instantly lol

just out of curiosity...what isnt duoable by thf + whm in abyssea :3

Rani :(, that horrible Discoid Chariot in Graub (unless you want to DoT kite it to death), Apademak possibly? Probably a few others.

well discoid chariot is a NM on which u want to do low damage per hit and u dont want subtle blow on it, maybe even subtle blow- gear. discoid does half the dmg of dmg u dealt to it.so what prevents u from dealing low dmg between discoids? and well that the fight will take long long long time is another thing ^^

edit: except i misunderstood the wiki information

What if it uses another TP move instead of Discoid?

well just talked about discoid, but there's still the option that u let it hit u a bit to trigger more tp-moves untill next discoid,as i said before time is another thing.
don't know much about those NMs, just gave a option how to deal with discoid ;)

Edit: indeed the chance to duo it might be <0,1% but i doubt that it's impossible, i guess there's way but nobody found it yet (yes this chance might be low too, but it isn't impossible either).

There's no evidence that Gredival doesn't use his brain, or that this caused you to finish Mandau, which is what your statement suggested.

You seem to have a lot of excuses for not gearing. I admit, sometimes it's a bit hard to get gear. That being said, it seems you've used EVERY excuse available to justify your gear. There comes a point when it's just laziness. FFXIAH is full of trolls, ready to feast on you. Before you turn into Darkultima, I'd suggest removing yourself from this community until you're prepared to deal with the trolls.

I have not looked at wiki so I may be wrong. Gears are weak also so for me dmg is equal on them to detectors. and in response to other post atma used is Apoc RR and VV i might try atma of the omnipotent as i got that yesterday and see how that goes....

Apparently using my brain towards greater mastery over the English language cost me valuable time I could have used to getting Mandau faster.


Even more of a reason to upgrade more reasonable gear that would have had a bigger effect on your damage as a Thief than sinking all your time into Mandau.


Your gear sucks *** even by Pre-Abyssea standards


Bots are a red herring. What gets people claim is numbers and camping consistently.

If you aren't good enough to get into a shell to do it with in the limited time you had, or you decided not to dedicate the limited time you had to getting this gear, then you don't deserve it. And by extension I think that means you don't deserve your Mandau either because clearly you don't belong in the relic-class of player.


Relative to Abyssea, I play a full 33% less than you (21 hours a week; one three hour event a night every day) and my Thief is already gear capped with the relevant Atmas and zone clears months ago.

Either you suck really badly or there is extremely inefficient use of time going on. Neither is not a good excuse.

Did I say ***about your other jobs? No. But given you are a relic holder I would figure you put some pride into playing your job right and it pains me to see such suck. You are the reason Thieves are perceived as terrible

Guess what, just because someone is better and more successful at a video game than you does not mean they are a no-lifer neckbeard. It sometimes means you are just bad. Your elementary school grasp of the English language lends credence to my theory.


What I see is someone TERRIBLY undergeared for having a relic which is the result of this person's own ineptitude and stupidity in being unable to manage character improvements concurrent with doing his relic.

I also see terrible judgment in choosing to upgrade a relic because there are massive improvements that could have been done, even prior to Abyssea, that would have benefited your character far more than a relic. That relic's potential is further limited by the fact that you could never fully utilize Mercy Stroke because 1) you're being short bus retard that couldn't hang with a competitive style of end game, and 2) you can afford a relic but somehow cannot afford Triumph Rings/Earrings.

So who's failing to use brainpower here choosing to upgrade a relic they cannot support at the cost of more efficient and helpful upgrades?

The Sun ring made me giggle.


Could have stopped after bold. Did you see his RDM gearsets?

Edit:
The thing is, if someone is terribly geared, I don't care. It's when people get hostile, even imposing about it, and defensive when they aren't agreed with. What bothers me, is when people have no idea what they're doing, yet the insist upon bragging in wide masses. I'm of course referring to your Mercy Stroke screenshots, which you then got defensive about, saying that people don't have a relic, they shouldn't comment. Gredival is right, Mandau is a weapon, relic is a status, which you have not attained.

lol more pointless trolls, u are so not getting my point.
all i told u was that had not enough time yet but i will (yes,future) go for them (and yes it takes some time), god i hope u got it now.
just gave mandau a higher priority then the other gear.
a victory ring with str+1 (str+5 at all) augment is like a triumph ring, so why should i get a triumph ring when i have str+5 in that slot? :x

That is exactly why you are dumb.

and that's why u are dumb.

Because taking the path that gives less tangible benefits with a higher opportunity cost is definitely optimal. I can see why you didn't bother wasting brainpower learning either the English language or logic.

An easy example is doing STR merits for your melee job(s) before doing combat/critrate/jobspecific/etc merits. At this point in time it's moot but back when it was 10k/hr KRT parties or even when it was colibri fantasy xi, doing the 3+6+9+9+9 merits for STR before anything else would be stupid.

Thus, doing Mandau and COMPLETELY neglecting gear in EVERY OTHER SLOT is the same idea.

well i am happy that i play ffxi for fun and i build mandau because i was bored of the game (YAY it was a new challenge) and not for e-peen,well e-peen was your main reason like it seems.
btw sry that my english isn't perfect but meh i'm not born in the USA and gladly English is not important to stay alive in Germany.

Recite the English alphabet backwards. Now.

Necro bump to my own old thread!

Anyways, finished my Twashtar 90 yesterday, and I have to admit that after parsing both Mercy Stroke and Rudra's Storm - the combo of RR/GH/SS seems to favor Rudra's. My testing was not on an optimal mob, as the only thing I got to play with was Apedemak and I did not want to have Plague Swipe constantly eating my buffs by using SA + WS, but TA + WS for both Mercy & Rudra's gave the upper hand to Rudra's by about 15%. It also showed a decent increase to my DoT even with the ODD aftermath only being up about 30% of the time.

That being said, in situations to where stacking SA & TA are available for WS, and I'm sure Atmas's are lending an upper hand to Rudra's, Twashtar seems to be winning in the overall category at 90.

My debate now moves towards whether or not Mandau's base damage/delay is worth keeping it offhand vs. other options (Triplus for example)... Damn SE for stripping Relics/Mythics of the additional stats when offhanded...

of course mandau is better off hand. what else would you use off hand. both are the best daggers currently.


DMG 49 versus DMG 38. Both same delay.
3% TA is ridiculously low ( about +3~4% golbal compared to a blank DMG38 delay 176 dagger)

while going from DMG 38 (+12 from caped str) to DMG 49 ( with +13 from caped str) is (49+13)/(38+12)=+24% DMG on your off hands hits ie half your melee hits. if you do 40% melee 40% ws 20% SA&TA that's about +10% dmg globally. not even counting the huge attack bonus.

There is NO attack bonus when offhanding - it is simply a 49dmg/176 delay dagger and no triple proc. I don't know how much of an increase to Triple Attack dmg is offered by Triplus - and on a far lesser extent, the possibility of a AF3+2 set proc on said triple attacks.

of course rudras would have been better your atma set up favours it, swap SS for VV and you would see better results since the mods on the ws are str. No doubt your gear set favours more dex than str so again higher stats for the mod on rudras. Of course that is an assumption.....

I've tried the VV thing, and it doesn't pack quite the same punch - that being said, wouldn't that almost be reducing the damage of the forced WS crit by removing SS to boost up the STR for Mercy Stroke? It just seems overall counterproductive. It's seeming more and more that my poor Mandau will be overshadowed by the Twashtar in Abyssea full time now... poor thing...

For reference, here are my gearsets:
(note) I couldn't get my Mandau in the main hand for the longest time in the Mercy Stroke set... now I can't get the Twashtar to show as the Main for the Rudra's set... either way, you get the idea - Twash would be main in that scenario

Mercy Stroke:


Rudra's Storm:

Necro bumpy. so now that ppl most likely have 95 mandau and 90 twash which is better? also which offhand dagger? i know there have been a couple new daggers since the last update. like oneiros knife.

also at 95/95 which is better?

I'd say since the 3x dmg procs 12-13% now a 95 mandau should kill a 90 twashtar, definitely outside aby. Inside where dex and attack are through the roof seems like a tossup. Best offhands are probably coruscanti >> lux pagio >> STR kila

Definitely liking my 95 Mandau over the 90 Twash - the extra ODT is definitely noticable... and for offhand, if I can one of these days get a damn Coruscanti, that'll be going there. Even the Lux seems to offer more in the offhand than Twash is, due to the extra Crit rate on the Lux.

I'm sure some math buffs can answer the "what's better" in math terms...

There is a trick to unlocking the 'glowing' weapons slot in the treasure casket. It's just no one knows what it is yet..

I think you have to have killed the adds. That, or the adds must be dead upon the main NMs death. I'm pretty sure i'm right in saying that. Unless someone can disprove this?

Theres someone on BG With the Coruscanti... I can ask if they were killing the Ads or holding them.

That would easily prove/disprove it.

Edit: Guess i didn't see someone there with it. Theres a picture but I'm pretty sure its a JP. Wasn't the person who posted.

That would be brilliant, thanks.

I just had someone confirm that one dropped when they DID kill adds. Need to find a case where it dropped without killing the adds if possible.

EDIT: Ah, ok.