Hades.Eliane said:
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Eliii which part of the UK are you in? We need more brits in this thread.
Just south of newcastle.
Brits unite!
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Hades.Eliane said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: Eliii which part of the UK are you in? We need more brits in this thread. Just south of newcastle. Brits unite! Thanks loads Ninian! My dnc is only 57 but I plan to level it next. I was hoping to be able to use a lot of my thf's gear on dnc. This guide will come in very handy as I level up. ^^
Gemah said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Gilgamesh.Thedreamer said: Lava/kusha rings would be better for a tp set Bahamut.Raenryong said: No. Rajas + Acc etc > Lava/Kusha, almost always. Gilgamesh.Thedreamer said: hmm why ? +12 acc +12 attack compare to 7 acc and 5dex ? Rajas will let you get to 100% TP in one less hit, increasing your WS frequency. Always a good thing. This guide basically says you're an idiot for using a WS, though. That statement I made was a general fact. That being said, it's obvious that you will use your TP more on other tasks, on DNC, if you're playing the support role. (which is usually the case as Ninian stated) I'm fairly certain that Ninian did not completely ignored WSs, in case you were in a situation that allowed you to do that more; she did touch on the subject. In that case, the increased WS frequency is always relevant. Also, even mostly ignoring WSs, more StoreTP will still give you more TP per hit. More TP is always good for DNC. In general, Rajas ring + acc ring will be the way to go for TP. Offline
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Gemah said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Gilgamesh.Thedreamer said: Lava/kusha rings would be better for a tp set Bahamut.Raenryong said: No. Rajas + Acc etc > Lava/Kusha, almost always. Gilgamesh.Thedreamer said: hmm why ? +12 acc +12 attack compare to 7 acc and 5dex ? Rajas will let you get to 100% TP in one less hit, increasing your WS frequency. Always a good thing. This guide basically says you're an idiot for using a WS, though. That statement I made was a general fact. That being said, it's obvious that you will use your TP more on other tasks, on DNC, if you're playing the support role. (which is usually the case as Ninian stated) I'm fairly certain that Ninian did not completely ignored WSs, in case you were in a situation that allowed you to do that more; she did touch on the subject. In that case the increased WS frequency is always relevant. Also, even mostly ignoring WSs, more StoreTP will still give more TP per hit. More TP is always good for DNC. In general, Rajas ring + acc ring will be the way to good for TP. My bad, I wasn't saying those other two rings are better than Rajas + acc (which is what I do), because it's pretty obvious Rajas should go in one of those spots. Leviathan.Niniann said: -Waltz- Get an Anwig Salade. Now. I don't care if you're poor, I don't care if your mommy doesn't want to pay for it, go mow some lawns and buy the expansion. It is an absolute MUST. Must must must must must. If you have another augment for another job, FIX IT. If you love that job more than DNC, stop playing DNC. You need this hat with -waltz timer. So, so much. Do you have the hat? No? Get it. Yes? Okay, let's continue. Curing Waltz 3 has a base recast of 10 seconds, with the hat that becomes 8 seconds. Now to use Anwig to the fullest that means you're using Curing Waltz 3 every 8 seconds. Because the moment you don't have to use it every 8 seconds Relic Hat is better. How so? Simple if you don't need to use Curing Waltz 3 every 8 seconds the hat becomes useless while Relic is still curing more HP which also means you will have to Waltz less often due to restoring more HP per use. First question is; What the hell are you doing that requires 400-500 HP cured every 8 seconds on the dot? Second question is; Even with -Enmity Gear do you honestly believe needing to cure every 8 seconds won't have you tanking? Other than advocating Anwig over Relic head pretty good guide. Damn good guide Nini, lots of stuff I wish I had and will work towards getting.
Bismarck.Zagen said: First question is; What the hell are you doing that requires 400-500 HP cured every 8 seconds on the dot? If you don't need it, don't use it, simple as that... Macros are cool like that. But when you do need the Waltz Anwig (and you will if your DD are playing aggressively like they should be), it's of exponentially greater value than Etoile Tiara. Quote: Second question is; Even with -Enmity Gear do you honestly believe needing to cure every 8 seconds won't have you tanking? Bismarck.Zagen said: First question is; What the hell are you doing that requires 400-500 HP cured every 8 seconds on the dot? Playing optimally? Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Main healing, basically. Siren.Stewie said: Playing optimally? Fenrir.Nightfyre said: If you don't need it, don't use it, simple as that... Macros are cool like that. But when you do need the Waltz Anwig (and you will if your DD are playing aggressively like they should be), it's of exponentially greater value than Etoile Tiara. Bismarck.Zagen
In said: You're killing stuff fast enough for it to not get on ws off? We're talking BRD COR DNC DD DD DD pts right? I guess it'd be possible in abyssea alli's though. Leviathan.Niniann said: Currently the absolute BEST DNC TP set is as follows. Cavaros Mantle is probably a better back nowadays because of Atma of the Razed Ruin. Mars Ring in place of Toreadors too~ I totally saw that post Night ^
Siren.Stewie said: You're killing stuff fast enough for it to not get on ws off? We're talking BRD COR DNC DD DD DD pts right? I guess it'd be possible in abyssea alli's though. Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: I totally saw that post Night ^ Bismarck.Zagen said: Siren.Stewie said: You're killing stuff fast enough for it to not get on ws off? We're talking BRD COR DNC DD DD DD pts right? I guess it'd be possible in abyssea alli's though. Bismarck.Zagen said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Main healing, basically. Siren.Stewie said: Playing optimally? Fenrir.Nightfyre said: If you don't need it, don't use it, simple as that... Macros are cool like that. But when you do need the Waltz Anwig (and you will if your DD are playing aggressively like they should be), it's of exponentially greater value than Etoile Tiara. It depends on the situation, of course. I have a toggle for Etoile Tiara, but to be quite honest even if I *didn't* need to recast instantly at 8sec, I'd rather have the option instead of killing someone. I'm usually in life-or-death situations, my MNKs are fulltiming counter-stance, so their defense is paper. If my timer isn't up because I misjudged the situation, it's my fault and I'm the one who's going to get yelled at. I do not enjoy getting yelled at. If you need your waltzes to be TP efficient, you're probably not getting proper buffs in which case you should kindly ask for a Haste. Or do what I do... "HASTE".... And I don't care what anyone says, Waltz- Anwig is a must have. At the VERY least for Healing Waltz, do you disagree? Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Bismarck.Zagen said: Siren.Stewie said: You're killing stuff fast enough for it to not get on ws off? We're talking BRD COR DNC DD DD DD pts right? I guess it'd be possible in abyssea alli's though. I don't recall the DRK(I would guess /WAR or /SAM since they took damage regularly) but the rest of the DD were /SAM. The SMN I think was /RDM not sure tbh as they were usually off 2 houring mobs. Edit: Leviathan.Niniann said: At the VERY least for Healing Waltz, do you disagree? Looking back I guess issue really is that you're using your play style and opinion to define a must have item in a guide not the fact that the benefits far out weigh those of other items because in some cases Waltz Anwig > Relic but most of the time it doesn't, it can be on par, or worse depending on the situation. Bismarck.Zagen said: I look at it 2 ways players playing a job optimally and a party being an optimal setup. You don't need an optimal setup for the old abyssea zones to work for EXPing if most of the setup is made of optimal players. nobody's disputing that a non-optimal setup can WORK, but you're saying that you don't need to be optimal to be optimal.
Bismarck.Zagen said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Bismarck.Zagen said: Siren.Stewie said: You're killing stuff fast enough for it to not get on ws off? We're talking BRD COR DNC DD DD DD pts right? I guess it'd be possible in abyssea alli's though. The mistake was in this statement that you made: Bismarck.Zagen said: With all the buffs in Abyssea you don't "need" a BRD and/or COR to be "optimal" Do you know what the word "optimal" really means? Bismarck.Zagen said: I don't recall the DRK(I would guess /WAR or /SAM since they took damage regularly) but the rest of the DD were /SAM. The SMN I think was /RDM not sure tbh as they were usually off 2 houring mobs. /WAR is bad for DRK. If the DRK was /sam... he shouldn't take anymore damage than the other DD/sams in the PT, as long as he knows how to play the job. Bismarck.Zagen said: I do agree it is awesome for Healing Waltz in those situations where you get hit with multiple debuffs regularly. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: That doesn't answer the question. Ramuh.Lorzy said: nobody's disputing that a non-optimal setup can WORK, but you're saying that you don't need to be optimal to be optimal. Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Do you know what the word "optimal" really means? op·ti·mal definition Pronunciation: /ˈäp-tə-məl/ Function: adj : most desirable or satisfactory Note the word satisfactory in other words the best of the best is not required to be optimal. I was just stating that in the setup I had with what I considered optimal DDs last night things died very fast and didn't require me to spam Waltz riding the recast. Which is about the same experience I've had in a 3x DD, 2x Buffer, DNC setup. Thus to me it performed optimally. Was it the most optimal? No, but I never said that either. most satisfactory. Not just satisfactory.
Believe it or not, that "most" applies to both "desirable" and "satifactory". And what the *** is "most optimal"? Most most desirable?
Learn to shot logic and English, then come back and try to present a sound argument. Thanks. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Bismarck.Zagen said: I do agree it is awesome for Healing Waltz in those situations where you get hit with multiple debuffs regularly. Bahamut.Aeronis said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Bismarck.Zagen said: I do agree it is awesome for Healing Waltz in those situations where you get hit with multiple debuffs regularly. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Bismarck.Zagen said: I do agree it is awesome for Healing Waltz in those situations where you get hit with multiple debuffs regularly. but that's 15 seconds you can't cure yourself either if they're on the same timer.
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