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Gil getting hard to come by.. Thanks SE!
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By Asura.Wordspoken 2010-09-17 12:06:48
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
I am maintaining my millions just fine, and so is my crafting mule.
People have bitched about money forever this is so 2003.
This. Does it really come as a suprise that when an update comes, old sources of gil may be become obsolete? Hasn't FFXI always been that way? Adapt, it's part of the game.
Lakshmi.Ricco
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By Lakshmi.Ricco 2010-09-17 12:25:25
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: onoz the economy is bad, time to talk to others and help each other out instead making money and only helping myself >__>
Hey thats what makes this game great theres always some people who are kind enough to help others :)
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By Titan.Xantavia 2010-09-18 02:28:24
Obviously if you are having a hard time buying whatever you need due to a gil shortage, that is the place to start. Farm the item yourself and sell it.
Or tiger fangs. There is always tiger fangs.
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Phoenix.Esaias
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By Phoenix.Esaias 2010-09-18 03:11:26
everyone is doing their AF3 seals, some of these seals can be gotten in quests, the items that are being used for quests are dropped off murex and aomeba selling for like 90k a piece
The mobs are DC to T in a variety of places.
Help those who dont want to farm get there AF3 ^^
Carbuncle.Virtuosus
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By Carbuncle.Virtuosus 2010-09-18 03:52:52
Asura.Karbuncle said: Its really easy to make money if you try =0
Just find an item in Abyssea a bunch of idiots are too lazy to farm and sell it severely overpriced.
Like the new Amoeban / Conchshellwhore items, of which you need 3 to complete a certain quest, currently about 50k+, they have like 50% Drop rate and you can Despoil them.
As a THF thats your best bet =P run up to one of the new mobs > Despoil > gtfo > rinse/repeat!
Easy 50k/steal o-o
Edit: I lied, the Amoeban ***is now ~100k on Asura lol.
And the Murex Stuff is 90k~+
Take that back. I need Murex Spicules for my BLU AF3+1 legs, and I've despoiled 30 in a row and gotten 0 items off them. 50% my ***!
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Carbuncle.Virtuosus
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By Carbuncle.Virtuosus 2010-09-18 03:56:57
Phoenix.Esaias said: everyone is doing their AF3 seals, some of these seals can be gotten in quests, the items that are being used for quests are dropped off murex and aomeba selling for like 90k a piece
The mobs are DC to T in a variety of places.
Help those who dont want to farm get there AF3 ^^
You guys make farming the Murexes alot easier than it seems (Unsure about the other mob, I didn't fight them besides for my spell.)
I've killed about 50 murexes solo and have gotten a grand total of 1 spicule, which yielded me no seal, great load of fun that was. Also, they all turn VT-IT+ after about 5 mobs killed (if they aren't turned that already), and I'm 0/30 on despoiling it. Am I missing something? If so, please do tell. The above results are from Misareaux Coast ones, and I've decided that I'm just going to do NMs because spicules are ridiculous.
Lakshmi.Kyi
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By Lakshmi.Kyi 2010-09-18 05:23:44
Lakshmi.Ricco said: Odin.Sinharvest said: As a 100 leathercrafter I have felt the blow by SE, but I'll tell you this, abyssea is my new money maker, it is very possible to make under half a mil a week in abyssea by targeting the right nms. Find whats hot on the AH and sell the hell out of it, find a group of people who like gil just as much as you, and a 3-6 man group can take care of most timed nms in abyssea.
Example, just the other night a low man group I rolled with killed colibri NM for spiral ring, 1.2mil in the pocket, its all about adjusting to whats hot....I still make dusk when I can v_v.
lol good idea I think now would be the time to focus on money nms since everyone is in a fuss over the AF+ gear.. I've been bored looking at ah seeing what gears are still decent and wow Im shocked to see the old money makers dirt cheap lol nobles for 90k vermy 40k :P
Just odd I guess wish they would take the time cap off abyssea that would make farming the nms easier at least ^^
I might just take up fishing lol :( you're right people are going to always need food and the dyna thing doesn't sound bad either as i still want a couple good pieces from there.
i think you just made the case of why SE decided to put the time limit there.
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By Asura.Shinagami 2010-09-18 06:03:19
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Lakshmi.Ricco said: wall-of-text
I am maintaining my millions just fine, and so is my crafting mule.
People have bitched about money forever this is so 2003.
Naw man, 2003 was good ***, 20k a stack of bird feathers. Vultures outside of bastok. I miss the old days >.>
Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-09-18 06:46:45
Seraph.Rafik said: Start a dyna ls and sell currency or did people stop upgrading relic weapons?
They should because Empyreal are gonna rape'em all soon enough. Imo right when the new WS are understood (you know the WS we won't get because abyssea is too hardcore).
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-09-18 06:47:28
O -ingot were 250k a piece, now down to 85 ( on caitsith) and everyones udnercutting screwin' the economy once again... Nothing to make money off of now. Best if you need food, to farm your own items, and get your craft up. No reason to have money, if you can't make it.
Way to go for shoot'n the economy in a rain barrel....
<sigh>
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Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-09-18 06:52:45
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Bahamut.Rienea said: Shihei? What's that? /SAM all the way.
Going /SAM as nin is a good idea, and you wont have to cast shadows?
or go /whm and buff the ***outa ya , LOL'd!!!
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By Phoenix.Wackatramp 2010-09-18 08:24:54
It's really not. You just need to be smart. Check out some AH sells from your fellow server mates and see what they do. ;) For example, check out Coonet under Phoenix. *** bangs every high $$$ easy NM possible multiple times a day. His group is like 3-6 people. They rake in millions a day. Everyone I know is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and has their priorities in the wrong places. I *** hate this guy only because I'm a tad jealous, but hey, it happens.
So be smart, get a good group of friends, and go have some fun.
Carbuncle.Zanno
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-09-18 09:01:03
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Bahamut.Rienea said: Shihei? What's that? /SAM all the way.
Going /SAM as nin is a good idea, and you wont have to cast shadows?
or go /whm and buff the ***outa ya , LOL'd!!!
I wanna try NIN99/RDM49. Refresh and haste woot.
Caitsith.Heimdall
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2010-09-18 09:31:24
IT really not all SE killing ability to make gill. A trend i've been seeing lately is high level crafters who have already made millions on there main craft coming in and crashing prices on other crafters lower recipes. Like a 100+ goldsmith who everyone knows has tons of gill coming in and crashing cookies recipes under cutting them by 10-20k on in one sale nearly erasing any profit on them. Among other people doing same things. Its like they've made their money and now trying to make it so others cant so they have less competition when trying buy high end stuff or something. Or then u have the crafters who just under cut prices so much just to get there stuff to sell first that it erases nearly any profit..
Carbuncle.Zanno
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-09-18 09:54:29
Caitsith.Heimdall said: IT really not all SE killing ability to make gill. A trend i've been seeing lately is high level crafters who have already made millions on there main craft coming in and crashing prices on other crafters lower recipes. Like a 100+ goldsmith who everyone knows has tons of gill coming in and crashing cookies recipes under cutting them by 10-20k on in one sale nearly erasing any profit on them. Among other people doing same things. Its like they've made their money and now trying to make it so others cant so they have less competition when trying buy high end stuff or something. Or then u have the crafters who just under cut prices so much just to get there stuff to sell first that it erases nearly any profit..
Or maybe those high lv crafters are trying to HQ what you are NQ'ing. To them the NQ's are basically just leftovers from their HQ's so they sell it cheap as hell just to get it off their hands and not take up AH space.
Edit:
For example.
If I wanna do meat kabobs from lets say 2 stacks of cocatrice meat. My HQ rate is high enough for me to get 12 meat kabobs on most of my synths, and the occasional stack of chief kabob. However, I will end up with a ***load of NQ kabob that will be filling up my inventory. And I'll be making more of the chief kabob anyway. So if the NQ kabobs are selling for 4500 per stack atm, I still make profit if I sell them for 4000 per stack (Due to my HQ rate), while someone who got cooking lv 45 cant make much if any profit selling at that price, thanks to low/no HQ along with the occasional break.
tl;dr
Crafters aren't out to get you, they are just looking after themselves.
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Caitsith.Heimdall
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2010-09-18 10:27:05
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Caitsith.Heimdall said: IT really not all SE killing ability to make gill. A trend i've been seeing lately is high level crafters who have already made millions on there main craft coming in and crashing prices on other crafters lower recipes. Like a 100+ goldsmith who everyone knows has tons of gill coming in and crashing cookies recipes under cutting them by 10-20k on in one sale nearly erasing any profit on them. Among other people doing same things. Its like they've made their money and now trying to make it so others cant so they have less competition when trying buy high end stuff or something. Or then u have the crafters who just under cut prices so much just to get there stuff to sell first that it erases nearly any profit..
Or maybe those high lv crafters are trying to HQ what you are NQ'ing. To them the NQ's are basically just leftovers from their HQ's so they sell it cheap as hell just to get it off their hands and not take up AH space.
Edit:
For example.
If I wanna do meat kabobs from lets say 2 stacks of cocatrice meat. My HQ rate is high enough for me to get 12 meat kabobs on most of my synths, and the occasional stack of chief kabob. However, I will end up with a ***load of NQ kabob that will be filling up my inventory. And I'll be making more of the chief kabob anyway. So if the NQ kabobs are selling for 4500 per stack atm, I still make profit if I sell them for 4000 per stack (Due to my HQ rate), while someone who got cooking lv 45 cant make much if any profit selling at that price, thanks to low/no HQ along with the occasional break.
tl;dr
Crafters aren't out to get you, they are just looking after themselves.
Yes cus lot 100 gold smiths get loads of Nq left overs in cooking lol. Plus there isnt a nq/hq version anyways it just one kinda lol .
Ragnarok.Titox
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By Ragnarok.Titox 2010-09-18 10:28:22
The only crafting that will never go down in price will be spendable crafting aka food, shihei, alchemy stuff like silent oils, bolts and arrows
but armor crafting is mostly dead now sadly...
Thats my opinion though =/
Carbuncle.Zanno
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-09-18 10:29:39
Caitsith.Heimdall said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Caitsith.Heimdall said: IT really not all SE killing ability to make gill. A trend i've been seeing lately is high level crafters who have already made millions on there main craft coming in and crashing prices on other crafters lower recipes. Like a 100+ goldsmith who everyone knows has tons of gill coming in and crashing cookies recipes under cutting them by 10-20k on in one sale nearly erasing any profit on them. Among other people doing same things. Its like they've made their money and now trying to make it so others cant so they have less competition when trying buy high end stuff or something. Or then u have the crafters who just under cut prices so much just to get there stuff to sell first that it erases nearly any profit..
Or maybe those high lv crafters are trying to HQ what you are NQ'ing. To them the NQ's are basically just leftovers from their HQ's so they sell it cheap as hell just to get it off their hands and not take up AH space.
Edit:
For example.
If I wanna do meat kabobs from lets say 2 stacks of cocatrice meat. My HQ rate is high enough for me to get 12 meat kabobs on most of my synths, and the occasional stack of chief kabob. However, I will end up with a ***load of NQ kabob that will be filling up my inventory. And I'll be making more of the chief kabob anyway. So if the NQ kabobs are selling for 4500 per stack atm, I still make profit if I sell them for 4000 per stack (Due to my HQ rate), while someone who got cooking lv 45 cant make much if any profit selling at that price, thanks to low/no HQ along with the occasional break.
tl;dr
Crafters aren't out to get you, they are just looking after themselves.
Yes cus lot 100 gold smiths get loads of Nq left overs in cooking lol. Plus there isnt a nq/hq version anyways it just one kinda lol .
I must have missed crafting 101 then. Because I always thought that all crafts (except for fishing) can HQ. And if you are talking of stuff like elemental beads and such that cant be HQ, its not the crafters, its the fact they are very common drops in abyssea.
I know that cooking =/= Goldsmithing. But basic economics apply to both of them <.<
Ramuh.Lorzy
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2010-09-18 10:32:21
i think he mentioned something about cookies, but *** if i know what specifically.
Caitsith.Heimdall
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2010-09-18 11:02:34
sigh point is got people who like 100 goldsmith who people know has millions going into other crafts like cooking and on recipes that like 50-60 and undercuting the prices by 10-20 on a single sale and it becoming a common trend.
Carbuncle.Zanno
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-09-18 11:09:38
Caitsith.Heimdall said: sigh point is got people who like 100 goldsmith who people know has millions going into other crafts like cooking and on recipes that like 50-60 and undercuting the prices by 10-20 on a single sale and it becoming a common trend.
Maybe it's because english isn't my native language, but you're not making a whole lot of sense to me. Can you give an example please?
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Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-09-18 11:51:53
just remember that gardening don't even try using Tree cuttings as a recipe, the beads from sapplings dont cut it anymore, unless you go the TaruTaru Rice and Onion Methods....for food
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-18 11:55:01
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Caitsith.Heimdall said: sigh point is got people who like 100 goldsmith who people know has millions going into other crafts like cooking and on recipes that like 50-60 and undercuting the prices by 10-20 on a single sale and it becoming a common trend.
Maybe it's because english isn't my native language, but you're not making a whole lot of sense to me. Can you give an example please? Don't worry, he's not making a bit of sense to me either.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-09-18 12:15:46
Your absolutely right, unless you were amongst the few that were smart enough to forecast the monumental drop in equipment prices across the board and sold them before the updates to buy back later, everyone has lost a huge amount of gil in depreciation.
The only gil to be found now is from Abyssea drops, the usual suspects like angel skins khroma ores and HNM drops have all crashed and the equipment that used to sell for so much for being the best at 75 is obsolete so you can't make any money there either :/
Ragnarok.Cerelyn
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By Ragnarok.Cerelyn 2010-09-18 12:39:45
As a cooker I havnt had that big of problem making money latly, it just the usuall pricecutter from other crafters but that been around for many years now.
Leviathan.Pimpchan
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2010-09-18 12:43:59
Crafting has never been good money maker, don't believe the *** about making milions out of a craft (usually spread by noobs). Mdkuser had 99 goldsmithing, 100 fish, 100 wood on a mule and he ended making gil out of farming soulflayer because crafting is just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE ; you invest so much to level up and when you are actually there you are forced to HQ junk which yields less than 50k on an item that takes forever to sell. I have 99 CC and it's the same ***. NPCing fish is way better lol. Hello 2 synths only per minute limit, 7 AH slots and having to go on mules to gather mats.
Want money ? Farm and sell to lol crafters.
By Tessio 2010-09-18 12:48:53
Start a Dyna LS and move servers after 3-4 months with all the gilz
Thats it
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-09-18 12:52:16
I got to level 95 cooking on 100k.
Totally serious. It took a looooooooong time though.
Most people just need to gain some patience to craft "properly" and profit.
Lakshmi.Ricco
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By Lakshmi.Ricco 2010-09-18 12:57:15
Well atm I thought to myself hey ill Despoil Murex for the drop since it seems like decent gil atm... Well i finally got one after many many tries :P and traded it to yurim got a mavi seal first try which I almost wish I didnt cause I then went and bought at least 10 of them from AH defeating the purpose of me doing this in the first place and then didn't get ***lol at 81 thf despoil isnt doing so great guess I should hit 85 since that might help ><
Really though SE has killed the games economy which really pisses me off if you want a decent weapon you have to spend hours and hours doing annoying tedious magian trials.
I just don't know what to even do to make gil anymore crafting sucks and is a waste really now a days most things I can farm don't give the solid return they used to and now with this last update you can't even tele whore anymore since people can warp directly to maws. :( I saw 3 tele shouts in 45 min in whitegate thats really sad imo unless you have a group to kill nms that drop things people want I don't really see a way to make gil in FFXI anymore except the slow and low gil/hour of npc'n stuff.
Any thoughts anyone?
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