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Fairy.Haxorking said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
How can there be flaws in your beliefs, if your beliefs are derived from a super intelligent being that does everything perfectly?
Blame people who misinterpret verses like this!
Leviticus 20:13 (New International Version)
13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
There's also the matter of free will, religion exists because people choose to believe. Really, alcohol is very similar to religion in that aspect. Alcohol (For consumption purposes, NOT medical) is responsible for countless atrocities, but still exists in society. Unlike religion though, there really is no up side to the story, but people like it. Even though it's nothing but a hindrance, alcohol for consumption still exists because people want it to, and for the same reason religion exists. So I wouldn't be arguing about abolishing religion until you're ready to quit every other vice in your life: smoking, sex for any other purpose than procreation, ect.
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Sex for anything but procreating is a vice?
I knew it! You are a christian!
Some of those religious atrocities could very well have also been cause by alcohol
And in those days, people slaughtered each other for non-religious reasons as well so that's pretty unfair to say
And sex for no other reason is a vice because there's no purpose other than pleasure, and it spreads STD's which kill people, that's a medical fact, that has nothing to do with religion lol
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Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
How can there be flaws in your beliefs, if your beliefs are derived from a super intelligent being that does everything perfectly?
Blame people who misinterpret verses like this!
Leviticus 20:13 (New International Version)
13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
The bible has been written/interpreted/modified/rewritten countless times. That's man's error, not god.
You can't blame god for everything, that's why religion is a bad thing. It's not because religion is innately evil, it's people do wrong, people make mistakes, people are to blame.
You can't blame religion for everything that's wrong with the world, and you can't blame god, it's mans fault
People use religion as an excuse, that's the problem. But if religion didn't exist we'd just find another excuse, people are at fault here
If god is all knowing...
Then god knew we would interpret it wrong 10,000,000,0000 years ago!
You know what it sounds like?
It sounds like god meant for us to misinterpret it so we would all kill eachother over it...
Like we have been doing for the last several thousand years...
Edit: You know some kids have ant farms and ***.. and they like to tear the legs off of the ants?
Yeah! We're the ants!
Then god knew we would interpret it wrong 10,000,000,0000 years ago!
You know what it sounds like?
It sounds like god meant for us to misinterpret it so we would all kill eachother over it...
Like we have been doing for the last several thousand years...
Edit: You know some kids have ant farms and ***.. and they like to tear the legs off of the ants?
Yeah! We're the ants!
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
People use religion as an excuse, that's the problem. But if religion didn't exist we'd just find another excuse, people are at fault here
I want a response to this.
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Spicyrar, you're horrible with assumptions
I have never said I condoned anything
I have never said I condoned anything
Troll!
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
You do know that SLAVERY, is condoned in the commandments? You do know there are a lot more than ten correct?
And we've fixed that, haven't we?
You are a complete bumbling fool. We fixed that? It should not of been an issue in the first place.
Did you just make an exception for the bible condoning slavery? I can not believe anyone could have the gall to do such a *** thing.
EDITED: For *** bold.
I never said you did, read the whole *** quote and then go hide in a hole in the ground to do everyone a favor.
Well, you're the one saying god does not exist.
That would mean that man wrote the bible, no?
Unless god threw the bible down from heaven, the only possibility is that man wrote it.
That means there's automatically flaws within the good,
And we blindly follow these flaws and perpetuate them
Again, mans faults, religion is just information really
It is neither good or bad, it just is
I'd just like to know whether or not he thinks slavery and homosexuality is wrong.
I don't want to *** hear "Well.. God says.."
I want to know what YOU think...
I don't want to *** hear "Well.. God says.."
I want to know what YOU think...
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
People use religion as an excuse, that's the problem. But if religion didn't exist we'd just find another excuse, people are at fault here
I want a response to this.
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Spicyrar, you're horrible with assumptions
I have never said I condoned anything
I have never said I condoned anything
Troll!
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
You do know that SLAVERY, is condoned in the commandments? You do know there are a lot more than ten correct?
And we've fixed that, haven't we?
You are a complete bumbling fool. We fixed that? It should not of been an issue in the first place.
Did you just make an exception for the bible condoning slavery? I can not believe anyone could have the gall to do such a *** thing.
EDITED: For *** bold.
I never said you did, read the whole *** quote and then go hide in a hole in the ground to do everyone a favor.
Well, you're the one saying god does not exist.
That would mean that man wrote the bible, no?
Unless god threw the bible down from heaven, the only possibility is that man wrote it.
That means there's automatically flaws within the good,
And we blindly follow these flaws and perpetuate them
Again, mans faults, religion is just information really
It is neither good or bad, it just is
No, do not dodge it, I basically want to know why you made an exception for the bible condoning slavery. That was a pussy answer and something I would expect on capitol hill, this has nothing to do with who wrote it.
EDIT: and I never said god does not exist.
I never made an exception, it's obviously faulty
The thing is though, it's the fault of man, not religion
Unless your argument is that god specifically told man to have slaves, then man obviously wrote that in the bible on his own accord, and man perpetuated it. If I told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? Probably not, people have common sense (Well, some people) and it's supposed to be used. Also, at the time the bible was written, slavery was seem as part of life, no different than anything else. That still doesn't make it right, but people make mistakes even when they're trying to be good. Aside from that, you're missing the other messages. "Thou shalt not murder" all of the atrocities which were pinned on religion are the result of neglecting that cardinal rule, again mans fault
Slavery is wrong,
people should be free to have relationships with whomever they please assuming it's not harming anyone (And no, homosexuality isn't harming anyone)
people should be free to have relationships with whomever they please assuming it's not harming anyone (And no, homosexuality isn't harming anyone)
When Japan made all of those faulty cars, and all of those people were dying...
Was it the creators fault?
or Was it the car's fault?
Was it the creators fault?
or Was it the car's fault?
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
When Japan made all of those faulty cars, and all of those people were dying...
Was it the creators fault?
or Was it the car's fault?
Was it the creators fault?
or Was it the car's fault?
The creators are responsible
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
When Japan made all of those faulty cars, and all of those people were dying... Was it the creators fault? or Was it the car's fault?
Bingo!
It is always the creator's fault.
It's not man's fault like you have been preaching..
It's our creator's fault ^.^
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
When Japan made all of those faulty cars, and all of those people were dying... Was it the creators fault? or Was it the car's fault?
Bingo!
It is always the creator's fault.
It's not man's fault like you have been preaching..
It's our creator's fault ^.^
The flaws in religion were created by man though,
And man was the one who committed the atrocities
Even against the teachings of the bible
"Though shalt not murder"
The difference is man is not an innate object,
We have the ability to think and make decisions, unlike a car
And we're responsible for those choices,
A car cannot make choices
Fairy.Haxorking said:
A car cannot make choices
Stephen King would like a word with you >.>
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Odin.Oldive said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Who takes up the most room in our prisons?
No. It definitely said that the amount of secular people in America was 16%.
The amount who were in prison was .4%...
What the hell are you talking about?
This is the table you posted:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Who takes up the most room in our prisons?
76.6% - Christian
19.1% - No Religion/Refused to Answer
1.3% - Jewish
0.7% - Other/Not Specified
0.5% - Muslim/Islamic
0.5% - Buddhist
0.4% - Atheist
0.3% - Hindu
0.05% - Native American
0.04% - Bahai
0.027% - Sikh
0.026% - Scientology
0.01% - Santeria
0.005% - Rastafarian
Now! to their same tables on people of no Religion throughout the whole nation.
Athiest 0.4%
No Religion 13.2%
Refused to Answer 5.4%
Now IF we can take away the same percent of people who refused to answer. (because I'm arguing there's no effect, and the numbers are the same)
19.1% (of people no religion + refused to answer)
-5.4% (of people who refused to answer in the whole nation)
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13.7% (of those of no religion in prison)
13.7% of the prison population is no religion
13.2% of the american population is no religion
Now of course these numbers are based on some assumptions which you may find ridiculous. But those who you call secular are in no way as underrepresented as you would like us to think.
And those 0.4% of Athiests! They match up perfectly to boot!
Spicyrar, you missed this entire section, please read more carefully
I never made an exception, it's obviously faulty
The thing is though, it's the fault of man, not religion
Unless your argument is that god specifically told man to have slaves, then man obviously wrote that in the bible on his own accord, and man perpetuated it. If I told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? Probably not, people have common sense (Well, some people) and it's supposed to be used. Also, at the time the bible was written, slavery was seem as part of life, no different than anything else. That still doesn't make it right, but people make mistakes even when they're trying to be good. Aside from that, you're missing the other messages. "Thou shalt not murder" all of the atrocities which were pinned on religion are the result of neglecting that cardinal rule, again mans fault
I never made an exception, it's obviously faulty
The thing is though, it's the fault of man, not religion
Unless your argument is that god specifically told man to have slaves, then man obviously wrote that in the bible on his own accord, and man perpetuated it. If I told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? Probably not, people have common sense (Well, some people) and it's supposed to be used. Also, at the time the bible was written, slavery was seem as part of life, no different than anything else. That still doesn't make it right, but people make mistakes even when they're trying to be good. Aside from that, you're missing the other messages. "Thou shalt not murder" all of the atrocities which were pinned on religion are the result of neglecting that cardinal rule, again mans fault
Short version: you tried to replace all secular people with only athiests, and it doesn't work that way.
A baby can make choices.
So if a baby crawls out in the middle of an intersection and gets ran over... It's not the parents fault? It's the baby's fault?
I already know what you're going to say...
You would be right.
BUT
Compared to an adult, a baby can't make good decisions because he is just not as an intelligent.
But comparing a god to a human is the same thing lol
Man can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator.
Babies can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator!
So if a baby crawls out in the middle of an intersection and gets ran over... It's not the parents fault? It's the baby's fault?
I already know what you're going to say...
You would be right.
BUT
Compared to an adult, a baby can't make good decisions because he is just not as an intelligent.
But comparing a god to a human is the same thing lol
Man can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator.
Babies can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator!
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
A baby can make choices.
So if a baby crawls out in the middle of an intersection and gets ran over... It's not the parents fault? It's the baby's fault?
I already know what you're going to say...
You would be right.
BUT
Compared to an adult, a baby can't make good decisions because he is just not as an intelligent.
But comparing a god to a human is the same thing lol
Man can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator.
Babies can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator!
So if a baby crawls out in the middle of an intersection and gets ran over... It's not the parents fault? It's the baby's fault?
I already know what you're going to say...
You would be right.
BUT
Compared to an adult, a baby can't make good decisions because he is just not as an intelligent.
But comparing a god to a human is the same thing lol
Man can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator.
Babies can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator!
The crimes that we are discussing though, such as slavery, murder, ect. These are all things the average adult is fully capable of making decisions on. And because we have the intelligence to make an informed decision about murder, the blood is on our hands
Odin.Oldive said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Odin.Oldive said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Who takes up the most room in our prisons?
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Who takes up the most room in our prisons? 76.6% - Christian 19.1% - No Religion/Refused to Answer 1.3% - Jewish 0.7% - Other/Not Specified 0.5% - Muslim/Islamic 0.5% - Buddhist 0.4% - Atheist 0.3% - Hindu 0.05% - Native American 0.04% - Bahai 0.027% - Sikh 0.026% - Scientology 0.01% - Santeria 0.005% - Rastafarian
Having no religion doesn't make you atheist. It just means you don't have a religion.
Atheists can have religions just as theists do.
And theists can choose not to have a religion.
You don't need a religion to believe in a god! You can believe in a god without religion!
So your argument is invalid.
ONLY .4% Were actual atheists.
We could argue all night whether the ones without a religion were theist or atheist. Because you don't know. Don't make assumptions.
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
A baby can make choices. So if a baby crawls out in the middle of an intersection and gets ran over... It's not the parents fault? It's the baby's fault? I already know what you're going to say... You would be right. BUT Compared to an adult, a baby can't make good decisions because he is just not as an intelligent. But comparing a god to a human is the same thing lol Man can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator. Babies can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator!
You're wrong.
If there was a higher power looking down on us..
He wouldn't think that we can make intgelligent decisions about those things.
Edit: He watches us kill eachother EVERYDAY for christ's sake!
Just as we look at a baby and believe that they can't make intelligent decisions.
Get it?
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Having no religion doesn't make you atheist. It just means you don't have a religion.
Atheists can have religions just as theists do.
And theists can choose not to have a religion.
You don't need a religion to believe in a god! You can believe in a god without religion!
So your argument is invalid.
ONLY .4% Were actual atheists.
We could argue all night whether the ones without a religion were theist or atheist. Because you don't know. Don't make assumptions.
I never said that athieits have no religion. What I said was: the number of people with no religion match up, taking some assumptions a hand, and the number of atheists match up.
YOU attempted to compare the people of no religion in the entire population with the number of atheists in the prison population, for which, sire you are wrong.
Edit: Also, can I ask where your numbers on the people in prison came from?
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
Fairy.Haxorking said:
Bismarck.Magnumatic said:
A baby can make choices. So if a baby crawls out in the middle of an intersection and gets ran over... It's not the parents fault? It's the baby's fault? I already know what you're going to say... You would be right. BUT Compared to an adult, a baby can't make good decisions because he is just not as an intelligent. But comparing a god to a human is the same thing lol Man can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator. Babies can't make good decisions because they are not as intelligent as their creator!
You're wrong.
If there was a higher power looking down on us..
He wouldn't think that we can make intgelligent decisions about those things.
Edit: He watches us kill eachother EVERYDAY for christ's sake!
Just as we look at a baby and believe that they can't make intelligent decisions.
Get it?
We do have the ability to make the correct decisions,
That's already been proven
We've abolished slavery and murder is illegal
We have made the right decision
Are you telling me you have no idea if murder is wrong or not?
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