Hi All, Just wondering if anyone else can see the benefits of taking /DRK past 37 to say 49? The obvious reason is so that you don't look gimp but are there more practical reasons for doing so?
The job traits and spell lists from 37 to 49 are not exactly jaw dropping.
Thoughts?
Lvling /DRK Past 37?? Benefits?
Lvling /DRK past 37?? Benefits?
Assuming this is in reference to RDM/DRK, I seriously wouldn't take it past 40 for a sub. When 90 cap rolls around /BLM will take over for RDM stun duty.
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idk a subjob that can absorb strength and tp could be pretty useful for a few mains..
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The only other jobs with dark magic skill are Scholar, Red Mage, and Black Mage. That means that the only use would be to suppress enemy TP, rather than use it for extra damage (which actually could be pretty useful).
Siren.Catabolic said:
idk a subjob that can absorb strength and tp could be pretty useful for a few mains..
you don't think as an example sam90/drk45 could effectively use the absorb tp against mobs of average or lower INT without being resisted? Might not be the most practical sj for sam at 90 but if you could pull it off without resist could be an interesting alternative.
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Siren.Catabolic said:
absorb tp trait
If by trait you meant spell, there's a 171 macc difference between DRK and /DRK before considering the plethora of skill and macc gear DRK main can utilize. Your Dark Magic land rate would be floored on SAM/DRK.
EDIT: 171 now, would increase further by 90 due to the way skills grow before and after 50
well DRK did pick up Occult Acumen @ lv45
but if u really srsly see a sam90/drk45 casting.....
lack of ele skill/dark skill etc etc
only benefits of drk past 37 is lv66 for maats cap :o
maybe the 3 above jobs (SCH, BLM, RDM) for lowman situations involving keeping a NM or something from using TP moves
but if u really srsly see a sam90/drk45 casting.....
lack of ele skill/dark skill etc etc
only benefits of drk past 37 is lv66 for maats cap :o
maybe the 3 above jobs (SCH, BLM, RDM) for lowman situations involving keeping a NM or something from using TP moves
fixed. yes meant spell. Its hypothetical and would definitely only be situational but id imagine there would be situations where it would be a viable option. you don't need maxed out macc to land alot of things on some mobs. at lvl 90+ its gonna be a completely new ballgame. Is it so wrong to think outside the box?
Siren.Catabolic said:
fixed. yes meant spell. Its hypothetical and would definitely only be situational but id imagine there would be situations where it would be a viable option. you don't need maxed out macc to land alot of things on some mobs. at lvl 90+ its gonna be a completely new ballgame. Is it so wrong to think outside the box?
mnk/rdm is a very strong combo, it combines the punching power of a monk with the enspells and enfeebling prowess of a red mage.
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Siren.Catabolic said:
fixed. yes meant spell. Its hypothetical and would definitely only be situational but id imagine there would be situations where it would be a viable option. you don't need maxed out macc to land alot of things on some mobs. at lvl 90+ its gonna be a completely new ballgame. Is it so wrong to think outside the box?
obviously, but some mobs have extremely low resist rates
Siren.Catabolic said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Siren.Catabolic said:
fixed. yes meant spell. Its hypothetical and would definitely only be situational but id imagine there would be situations where it would be a viable option. you don't need maxed out macc to land alot of things on some mobs. at lvl 90+ its gonna be a completely new ballgame. Is it so wrong to think outside the box?
exp/merit mobs...yes but not the big guys
Siren.Catabolic said:
fixed. yes meant spell. Its hypothetical and would definitely only be situational but id imagine there would be situations where it would be a viable option. you don't need maxed out macc to land alot of things on some mobs. at lvl 90+ its gonna be a completely new ballgame. Is it so wrong to think outside the box?
Seriously, the situation you're talking about is Too Weak mobs. It's not going to land on anything that matters with /DRK.
Odin.Chazzyphizzle said:
mnk/rdm is a very strong combo, it combines the punching power of a monk with the enspells and enfeebling prowess of a red mage.
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Siren.Catabolic said:
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
Siren.Catabolic said:
fixed. yes meant spell. Its hypothetical and would definitely only be situational but id imagine there would be situations where it would be a viable option. you don't need maxed out macc to land alot of things on some mobs. at lvl 90+ its gonna be a completely new ballgame. Is it so wrong to think outside the box?
exp/merit mobs...yes but not the big guys
ctrl+f finds nothing.
edit: not saying I agree with him btw :/
efficiency>trying stuff that rarely will matter.
something to toy around with maybe though.
definitely wasn't talking HNM. HNMLS's aren't in the act of letting ppl test sjs lol. I mean more along the lines of exping, soloing, low man nms. I could see /drk being pretty sexy for like Nin at 90. Subtle blow plus absorb tp could be pretty awesome in some situations.
What non-NM monster is so dangerous that you'd insist on having Absorb-TP present when fighting it?
I don't think Absorb-TP suppresses enemy TP tbh.... I've absorbed from 70 to 90 and the mobs still WSs in 1-3 hits.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
What non-NM monster is so dangerous that you'd insist on having Absorb-TP present when fighting it?
impractical sub is impractical :/
on that note i need to level my dark up someday.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
What non-NM monster is so dangerous that you'd insist on having Absorb-TP present when fighting it?
well in the case of sam its not the fear of it using ws's but rather sam gaining more tp faster than it already does.
Siren.Catabolic said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
What non-NM monster is so dangerous that you'd insist on having Absorb-TP present when fighting it?
well in the case of sam its not the fear of it using ws's but rather sam gaining more tp faster than it already does.
most likely yea the whole point really was why not try new things?
I was never arguing that for RDM /drk isn't useful at 90 when considering blm sub. It just blows my mind that people aren't open to trying something new at 90. If it fails you were right. If in situations it succeeds, you'll be too close minded to find out.
I was never arguing that for RDM /drk isn't useful at 90 when considering blm sub. It just blows my mind that people aren't open to trying something new at 90. If it fails you were right. If in situations it succeeds, you'll be too close minded to find out.
Siren.Catabolic said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
What non-NM monster is so dangerous that you'd insist on having Absorb-TP present when fighting it?
well in the case of sam its not the fear of it using ws's but rather sam gaining more tp faster than it already does.
...except that these mobs barely last long enough to get a meaty TP return (if they do at all), and given the delay from canceling Hasso, casting Absorb-TP, and reactivating Hasso you're not really gaining anything even in a perfect situation presents itself where the ideal cast time is exactly 60 seconds apart every time.
Siren.Catabolic said:
most likely yea the whole point really was why not try new things?
Siren.Catabolic said:
most likely yea the whole point really was why not try new things?
I was never arguing that for RDM /drk isn't useful at 90 when considering blm sub. It just blows my mind that people aren't open to trying something new at 90. If it fails you were right. If in situations it succeeds, you'll be too close minded to find out.
I was never arguing that for RDM /drk isn't useful at 90 when considering blm sub. It just blows my mind that people aren't open to trying something new at 90. If it fails you were right. If in situations it succeeds, you'll be too close minded to find out.
catabolic, have you tried to land abs-stat spells as say nin/drk with a dark/pluto staff on a level 75 monster? do this on any 75-80 job with no native dark magic skill, let us know how it works out.
tw mobs aside. What of easy-decent con mobs at 90. Not everything has insanely high natural resist rates. The thought is more for someone who is bored and isn't opposed to messing around. I've learned some cool things from just messing around on the game before.
Samurai doesn't need to gain TP faster than it does already. Absorb TP isn't going to do anything against anything except trash where /DRK would only be a play thing, nothing more.
HNM where you're not straight melee? Without being /THF it would be a slooow fight as you're not using TA on the tanks.
We encourage thinking outside the box but I'm sorry SAM/DRK isn't going to do anything tbh.
SAM/BLM anyone? There's a magian trial weapon with MaB+10 on, would be awesome combined with dark skillchain from Rana > Gekko! ^^
HNM where you're not straight melee? Without being /THF it would be a slooow fight as you're not using TA on the tanks.
We encourage thinking outside the box but I'm sorry SAM/DRK isn't going to do anything tbh.
SAM/BLM anyone? There's a magian trial weapon with MaB+10 on, would be awesome combined with dark skillchain from Rana > Gekko! ^^
Odin.Chazzyphizzle said:
catabolic, have you tried to land abs-stat spells as say nin/drk with a dark/pluto staff on a level 75 monster? do this on any 75-80 job with no native dark magic skill, let us know how it works out.
lvl 75 mob would be T++ con to a lvl 75. Of course you arent landing those spells on 98% of T++'s. Wasn't anywhere near what i was suggesting trying it on.
Siren.Catabolic said:
tw mobs aside. What of easy-decent con mobs at 90. Not everything has insanely high natural resist rates. The thought is more for someone who is bored and isn't opposed to messing around. I've learned some cool things from just messing around on the game before.
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